What if the family decided they couldnt afford Brown?

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Anonymous wrote:you can apply to schools outside the US and do ED in the US

Yes but you should honor the ED commitment if accepted. (That’s not the case that PP described above: getting accepted to Brown ED and going to St Andrews instead)

After how Brown handled the recent shooting they should offer a release to all students accepted ED.

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Anonymous wrote:In that case, lets say your kid gets in one of the schools you mentioned, Stanford, MIT or Wharton but no financial aid or very little. How are you going to justify a $80k+ vs £9.3k?

That is a tough one. For us UK citizens, outside of Oxbridge is a full pay degree from Stanford/MIT/Wharton worth $300k more than a degree from Durham, St. Andrews or Warwick? As a Brit, I personally do not think so. But lets see what happens.

My kid was accepted to Brown ED. Zero aid. He is going to St Andrews.

Breaking the ED contract? Why apply ED the? Hugely unethical.

Please stop. ED only apply in the US….go ahead and let the school sue….will never happen….

That’s actually not true. My DC ended up not applying to Oxford for that reason.

That was your choice. The US system and its “college counselors“ brainwash parents and scare them to death about turning down a ED offer for a foreign offer when there is ZERO impact to the US college. They are notified immediately on most cases I know, it is not like there is this one spot now lost in a vacum…please. In our case, we were in the fine line between getting some need based aid and not. Not wealthy enough to easily afford full pay and income not low enough to qualify for need based aid. So the decision was mainly financial.

Yes, it was our (ethnical) choice. This is not about being scared but about breaking an agreement. My DC is in a private school, and there is no way the college counselor would have been on board with applying ED domestically while keeping UK options. In fact, going back on ED agreement is bad for future applicants for the high school. And we thought it would set a wrong example for DC in being so selfish.

Sorry, but you're not making sense here. What if your kid was rejected from the ED school?

For ED, you are allowed to apply to other schools at the same time. However, you promise to attend the ED if accepted. Since Oxbridge applications are due in October but you don't get an ED decision until December, it is certainly ethical to put in applications for Oxbridge (and St. Andrews, LSE, etc). Then, if the kid gets an ED acceptance, you are required to pull your applications at the UK schools.

I can understand that your counselor would not be okay with any continued effort toward UK schools AFTER and ED acceptance, but not before.

Yes, you can put both applications but the commitment is to attend the ED school. The Oxford decisions come out in early January. The college counselor thought that the chances of getting into ED school were extremely high and that we had to honor the commitment if accepted. That took Oxford off the table, especially as the application process is not trivial.

Well, you must have a very strong student AND a strong hook to feel so confident about an Ivy ED. Congratulations!

Nonetheless, your confidence is pretty unusual. There's no reason for others applying ED to forego EA applications and UK applications even if they intend to honor their ED commitment.

PP again. Just for the record, getting into Oxford is orders of difficulty higher than St Andrews, Durham, etc. The TSA exam is much harder than SATs, and the interviews are no joke. The acceptance rate for Americans is significantly lower than other nationalities.

You are correct about the TSA and the Oxbridge acceptance rate. However, my kid didn't find the Oxbridge application more time consuming than several US schools with a ton of supplementals. The interview stage was nerve-wracking, but not particularly complicated or time-consuming. The essay was substantially easier than a personal statement + supplementals for US universities.

Yes on the personal statement. The TSA exam meant going to Philly to take it, which is quite inconvenient. The ED school application took a couple of days of solid work, which was much easier.

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Anonymous wrote:In that case, lets say your kid gets in one of the schools you mentioned, Stanford, MIT or Wharton but no financial aid or very little. How are you going to justify a $80k+ vs £9.3k?

That is a tough one. For us UK citizens, outside of Oxbridge is a full pay degree from Stanford/MIT/Wharton worth $300k more than a degree from Durham, St. Andrews or Warwick? As a Brit, I personally do not think so. But lets see what happens.

My kid was accepted to Brown ED. Zero aid. He is going to St Andrews.

Breaking the ED contract? Why apply ED the? Hugely unethical.

Please stop. ED only apply in the US….go ahead and let the school sue….will never happen….

That’s actually not true. My DC ended up not applying to Oxford for that reason.

That was your choice. The US system and its “college counselors“ brainwash parents and scare them to death about turning down a ED offer for a foreign offer when there is ZERO impact to the US college. They are notified immediately on most cases I know, it is not like there is this one spot now lost in a vacum…please. In our case, we were in the fine line between getting some need based aid and not. Not wealthy enough to easily afford full pay and income not low enough to qualify for need based aid. So the decision was mainly financial.

Yes, it was our (ethnical) choice. This is not about being scared but about breaking an agreement. My DC is in a private school, and there is no way the college counselor would have been on board with applying ED domestically while keeping UK options. In fact, going back on ED agreement is bad for future applicants for the high school. And we thought it would set a wrong example for DC in being so selfish.

Sorry, but you're not making sense here. What if your kid was rejected from the ED school?

For ED, you are allowed to apply to other schools at the same time. However, you promise to attend the ED if accepted. Since Oxbridge applications are due in October but you don't get an ED decision until December, it is certainly ethical to put in applications for Oxbridge (and St. Andrews, LSE, etc). Then, if the kid gets an ED acceptance, you are required to pull your applications at the UK schools.

I can understand that your counselor would not be okay with any continued effort toward UK schools AFTER and ED acceptance, but not before.

Yes, you can put both applications but the commitment is to attend the ED school. The Oxford decisions come out in early January. The college counselor thought that the chances of getting into ED school were extremely high and that we had to honor the commitment if accepted. That took Oxford off the table, especially as the application process is not trivial.

Well, you must have a very strong student AND a strong hook to feel so confident about an Ivy ED. Congratulations!

Nonetheless, your confidence is pretty unusual. There's no reason for others applying ED to forego EA applications and UK applications even if they intend to honor their ED commitment.

PP again. Just for the record, getting into Oxford is orders of difficulty higher than St Andrews, Durham, etc. The TSA exam is much harder than SATs, and the interviews are no joke. The acceptance rate for Americans is significantly lower than other nationalities.

You are correct about the TSA and the Oxbridge acceptance rate. However, my kid didn't find the Oxbridge application more time consuming than several US schools with a ton of supplementals. The interview stage was nerve-wracking, but not particularly complicated or time-consuming. The essay was substantially easier than a personal statement + supplementals for US universities.

Anonymous wrote:you can apply to schools outside the US and do ED in the US

Yes but you should honor the ED commitment if accepted. (That’s not the case that PP described above: getting accepted to Brown ED and going to St Andrews instead)

you can apply to schools outside the US and do ED in the US

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Anonymous wrote:In that case, lets say your kid gets in one of the schools you mentioned, Stanford, MIT or Wharton but no financial aid or very little. How are you going to justify a $80k+ vs £9.3k?

That is a tough one. For us UK citizens, outside of Oxbridge is a full pay degree from Stanford/MIT/Wharton worth $300k more than a degree from Durham, St. Andrews or Warwick? As a Brit, I personally do not think so. But lets see what happens.

My kid was accepted to Brown ED. Zero aid. He is going to St Andrews.

Breaking the ED contract? Why apply ED the? Hugely unethical.

Please stop. ED only apply in the US….go ahead and let the school sue….will never happen….

That’s actually not true. My DC ended up not applying to Oxford for that reason.

That was your choice. The US system and its “college counselors“ brainwash parents and scare them to death about turning down a ED offer for a foreign offer when there is ZERO impact to the US college. They are notified immediately on most cases I know, it is not like there is this one spot now lost in a vacum…please. In our case, we were in the fine line between getting some need based aid and not. Not wealthy enough to easily afford full pay and income not low enough to qualify for need based aid. So the decision was mainly financial.

Yes, it was our (ethnical) choice. This is not about being scared but about breaking an agreement. My DC is in a private school, and there is no way the college counselor would have been on board with applying ED domestically while keeping UK options. In fact, going back on ED agreement is bad for future applicants for the high school. And we thought it would set a wrong example for DC in being so selfish.

Sorry, but you're not making sense here. What if your kid was rejected from the ED school?

For ED, you are allowed to apply to other schools at the same time. However, you promise to attend the ED if accepted. Since Oxbridge applications are due in October but you don't get an ED decision until December, it is certainly ethical to put in applications for Oxbridge (and St. Andrews, LSE, etc). Then, if the kid gets an ED acceptance, you are required to pull your applications at the UK schools.

I can understand that your counselor would not be okay with any continued effort toward UK schools AFTER and ED acceptance, but not before.

Yes, you can put both applications but the commitment is to attend the ED school. The Oxford decisions come out in early January. The college counselor thought that the chances of getting into ED school were extremely high and that we had to honor the commitment if accepted. That took Oxford off the table, especially as the application process is not trivial.

Well, you must have a very strong student AND a strong hook to feel so confident about an Ivy ED. Congratulations!

Nonetheless, your confidence is pretty unusual. There's no reason for others applying ED to forego EA applications and UK applications even if they intend to honor their ED commitment.

PP again. Just for the record, getting into Oxford is orders of difficulty higher than St Andrews, Durham, etc. The TSA exam is much harder than SATs, and the interviews are no joke. The acceptance rate for Americans is significantly lower than other nationalities.

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Anonymous wrote:In that case, lets say your kid gets in one of the schools you mentioned, Stanford, MIT or Wharton but no financial aid or very little. How are you going to justify a $80k+ vs £9.3k?

That is a tough one. For us UK citizens, outside of Oxbridge is a full pay degree from Stanford/MIT/Wharton worth $300k more than a degree from Durham, St. Andrews or Warwick? As a Brit, I personally do not think so. But lets see what happens.

My kid was accepted to Brown ED. Zero aid. He is going to St Andrews.

Breaking the ED contract? Why apply ED the? Hugely unethical.

Please stop. ED only apply in the US….go ahead and let the school sue….will never happen….

That’s actually not true. My DC ended up not applying to Oxford for that reason.

That was your choice. The US system and its “college counselors“ brainwash parents and scare them to death about turning down a ED offer for a foreign offer when there is ZERO impact to the US college. They are notified immediately on most cases I know, it is not like there is this one spot now lost in a vacum…please. In our case, we were in the fine line between getting some need based aid and not. Not wealthy enough to easily afford full pay and income not low enough to qualify for need based aid. So the decision was mainly financial.

Yes, it was our (ethnical) choice. This is not about being scared but about breaking an agreement. My DC is in a private school, and there is no way the college counselor would have been on board with applying ED domestically while keeping UK options. In fact, going back on ED agreement is bad for future applicants for the high school. And we thought it would set a wrong example for DC in being so selfish.

Sorry, but you're not making sense here. What if your kid was rejected from the ED school?

For ED, you are allowed to apply to other schools at the same time. However, you promise to attend the ED if accepted. Since Oxbridge applications are due in October but you don't get an ED decision until December, it is certainly ethical to put in applications for Oxbridge (and St. Andrews, LSE, etc). Then, if the kid gets an ED acceptance, you are required to pull your applications at the UK schools.

I can understand that your counselor would not be okay with any continued effort toward UK schools AFTER and ED acceptance, but not before.

Yes, you can put both applications but the commitment is to attend the ED school. The Oxford decisions come out in early January. The college counselor thought that the chances of getting into ED school were extremely high and that we had to honor the commitment if accepted. That took Oxford off the table, especially as the application process is not trivial.

Well, you must have a very strong student AND a strong hook to feel so confident about an Ivy ED. Congratulations!

Nonetheless, your confidence is pretty unusual. There's no reason for others applying ED to forego EA applications and UK applications even if they intend to honor their ED commitment.

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Anonymous wrote:In that case, lets say your kid gets in one of the schools you mentioned, Stanford, MIT or Wharton but no financial aid or very little. How are you going to justify a $80k+ vs £9.3k?

That is a tough one. For us UK citizens, outside of Oxbridge is a full pay degree from Stanford/MIT/Wharton worth $300k more than a degree from Durham, St. Andrews or Warwick? As a Brit, I personally do not think so. But lets see what happens.

My kid was accepted to Brown ED. Zero aid. He is going to St Andrews.

Breaking the ED contract? Why apply ED the? Hugely unethical.

Please stop. ED only apply in the US….go ahead and let the school sue….will never happen….

That’s actually not true. My DC ended up not applying to Oxford for that reason.

That was your choice. The US system and its “college counselors“ brainwash parents and scare them to death about turning down a ED offer for a foreign offer when there is ZERO impact to the US college. They are notified immediately on most cases I know, it is not like there is this one spot now lost in a vacum…please. In our case, we were in the fine line between getting some need based aid and not. Not wealthy enough to easily afford full pay and income not low enough to qualify for need based aid. So the decision was mainly financial.

Yes, it was our (ethnical) choice. This is not about being scared but about breaking an agreement. My DC is in a private school, and there is no way the college counselor would have been on board with applying ED domestically while keeping UK options. In fact, going back on ED agreement is bad for future applicants for the high school. And we thought it would set a wrong example for DC in being so selfish.

Sorry, but you're not making sense here. What if your kid was rejected from the ED school?

For ED, you are allowed to apply to other schools at the same time. However, you promise to attend the ED if accepted. Since Oxbridge applications are due in October but you don't get an ED decision until December, it is certainly ethical to put in applications for Oxbridge (and St. Andrews, LSE, etc). Then, if the kid gets an ED acceptance, you are required to pull your applications at the UK schools.

I can understand that your counselor would not be okay with any continued effort toward UK schools AFTER and ED acceptance, but not before.

Yes, you can put both applications but the commitment is to attend the ED school. The Oxford decisions come out in early January. The college counselor thought that the chances of getting into ED school were extremely high and that we had to honor the commitment if accepted. That took Oxford off the table, especially as the application process is not trivial.

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Anonymous wrote:In that case, lets say your kid gets in one of the schools you mentioned, Stanford, MIT or Wharton but no financial aid or very little. How are you going to justify a $80k+ vs £9.3k?

That is a tough one. For us UK citizens, outside of Oxbridge is a full pay degree from Stanford/MIT/Wharton worth $300k more than a degree from Durham, St. Andrews or Warwick? As a Brit, I personally do not think so. But lets see what happens.

My kid was accepted to Brown ED. Zero aid. He is going to St Andrews.

Breaking the ED contract? Why apply ED the? Hugely unethical.

Please stop. ED only apply in the US….go ahead and let the school sue….will never happen….

That’s actually not true. My DC ended up not applying to Oxford for that reason.

That was your choice. The US system and its “college counselors“ brainwash parents and scare them to death about turning down a ED offer for a foreign offer when there is ZERO impact to the US college. They are notified immediately on most cases I know, it is not like there is this one spot now lost in a vacum…please. In our case, we were in the fine line between getting some need based aid and not. Not wealthy enough to easily afford full pay and income not low enough to qualify for need based aid. So the decision was mainly financial.

Yes, it was our (ethnical) choice. This is not about being scared but about breaking an agreement. My DC is in a private school, and there is no way the college counselor would have been on board with applying ED domestically while keeping UK options. In fact, going back on ED agreement is bad for future applicants for the high school. And we thought it would set a wrong example for DC in being so selfish.

Sorry, but you're not making sense here. What if your kid was rejected from the ED school?

For ED, you are allowed to apply to other schools at the same time. However, you promise to attend the ED if accepted. Since Oxbridge applications are due in October but you don't get an ED decision until December, it is certainly ethical to put in applications for Oxbridge (and St. Andrews, LSE, etc). Then, if the kid gets an ED acceptance, you are required to pull your applications at the UK schools.

I can understand that your counselor would not be okay with any continued effort toward UK schools AFTER and ED acceptance, but not before.

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Anonymous wrote:In that case, lets say your kid gets in one of the schools you mentioned, Stanford, MIT or Wharton but no financial aid or very little. How are you going to justify a $80k+ vs £9.3k?

That is a tough one. For us UK citizens, outside of Oxbridge is a full pay degree from Stanford/MIT/Wharton worth $300k more than a degree from Durham, St. Andrews or Warwick? As a Brit, I personally do not think so. But lets see what happens.

My kid was accepted to Brown ED. Zero aid. He is going to St Andrews.

Breaking the ED contract? Why apply ED the? Hugely unethical.

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I guess you wouldn’t laugh if it were Brown ?

Lol Tulane

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Anonymous wrote:In that case, lets say your kid gets in one of the schools you mentioned, Stanford, MIT or Wharton but no financial aid or very little. How are you going to justify a $80k+ vs £9.3k?

That is a tough one. For us UK citizens, outside of Oxbridge is a full pay degree from Stanford/MIT/Wharton worth $300k more than a degree from Durham, St. Andrews or Warwick? As a Brit, I personally do not think so. But lets see what happens.

My kid was accepted to Brown ED. Zero aid. He is going to St Andrews.

Breaking the ED contract? Why apply ED the? Hugely unethical.

Please stop. ED only apply in the US….go ahead and let the school sue….will never happen….

False. Read. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/26/business/tulane-early-decision-colorado-academy.html?unlocked_article_code=1.wU8.9wBq.Qebrx0FghTCn&smid=url-share

What is false? The school punished the high school….what is false? There is no legal recourse for the school other than “punish” the high school. if Brown did that to our kid’s school because of my kid, hell would break loose given the number of kids going there on annual basis…..

The parents and child sign an agreement in front if the counselor committing to attend if selected. It’s a moral and ethical obligation. The counselor is required to be involved to emphasize the seriousness of the commitment and the fact that it reflects poorly upon the high school if the parents play games. Hence, Tulane is cracking down on schools whose parents misbehave. Expect more of this. You are sending a very poor example to your own children when you do this plus they will
Be shunned at the high school if a school
Like Tulane blackballs future students from that high school in applying. Why would you want to do that to your own kid? And, yes, it applies to all schools, Canadian, German, British.

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Anonymous wrote:In that case, lets say your kid gets in one of the schools you mentioned, Stanford, MIT or Wharton but no financial aid or very little. How are you going to justify a $80k+ vs £9.3k?

That is a tough one. For us UK citizens, outside of Oxbridge is a full pay degree from Stanford/MIT/Wharton worth $300k more than a degree from Durham, St. Andrews or Warwick? As a Brit, I personally do not think so. But lets see what happens.

My kid was accepted to Brown ED. Zero aid. He is going to St Andrews.

Breaking the ED contract? Why apply ED the? Hugely unethical.

Please stop. ED only apply in the US….go ahead and let the school sue….will never happen….

That’s actually not true. My DC ended up not applying to Oxford for that reason.

That was your choice. The US system and its “college counselors“ brainwash parents and scare them to death about turning down a ED offer for a foreign offer when there is ZERO impact to the US college. They are notified immediately on most cases I know, it is not like there is this one spot now lost in a vacum…please. In our case, we were in the fine line between getting some need based aid and not. Not wealthy enough to easily afford full pay and income not low enough to qualify for need based aid. So the decision was mainly financial.

What is difference in price (full pay) between the two? $50k? Per year? Less/more?

The difference in total cost (per year) is about 30k.