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Anonymous wrote:The contractor leasing the equipment is making $6.3 million over two years.

https://legiscan.com/DC/text/PR25-0202/id/2808247

DC has a whole traffic camera industrial complex. It's like a cottage industry.

The number of tickets being issued is ridiculous considering how small DC is. But the contractors (and their shareholders) make money. The politicians collect revenue, not to mention campaign contributions from the contractors. DDOT has a reason for its huge budget. The War on Bikes loonies enjoy average drivers being carpet bombed with tickets that, probably in the vast majority of cases, no human cop would ever issue.

It’s voluntary.

They act like people are getting nabbed for 1 over. You have an 11mph buffer. That's almost a 50% increase over 25mph roads, and more than a 50% over 20mph roads.

Almost half the tickets aren't for speeding. Also, did you see how many tickets are being issued? 3.3 million? That doesn't seem kind of insane given there aren't even that all that many people who drive here.

1.6 million 11mph+ speeding tickets are insane, but I imagine we think that for different reasons.

We probably agree that we can't ticket drivers into obeying the law. i suspect we disagree on how to go forward as well.

I mean, use your brain. If there were actually that many dangerous drivers, there would be an epidemic of crashes. Clearly that's not happening. Probably a lot of those tickets are a result of the city adopting absurdly low speed in limits in a lot of places. Obviously many people are not going to obey those. Those tickets are also issued regardless of the circumstances. You can be driving on a street at 6am on a Sunday morning, with literally no one else on the streets or sidewalks, and if you go 31 mph in some places, you get a ticket. That's just dumb. A lot of these tickets are also going to out of town visitors who are just driving like normal people.

i mean, there is an epidemic of crashes. There is a cottage industry of apps/radio/tv shows that route you around them. People buy vehicles based on how well they do in crashes. There is an entire industry around repairing cars damaged in crashes. We make kids ride in miniature roll-cages. Half the features on new cars are tools to keep drivers from crashing into each other.

The fact that we view this as normal is whats insane.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

Wealthiest neighborhoods in DC have little to no traffic cameras. For instance, you will never catch a traffic camera on Chain Bridge Road.

Drivers in black neighborhoods are 17 times more likely to be ticketed in DC than drivers in white neighborhoods.

OK. How many times are drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in black neighborhoods more likely to be killed or injured by traffic violence than drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in white neighborhoods?

You don’t know, do you?

If only you cared as much about those whose lives are shattered by reckless drivers as much as those reckless drivers who get ticketed.

It's extremely rate for anyone of any color in Washington D.C. to be killed by a speeding driver.

I knew someone who was killed in DC - on a crosswalk - by a speeding driver who had amassed thousands of dollars in unpaid fines. You can her death “rate” (sic) and advocate against policies that make our streets safer. I will call her death her preventable and advocate for policies that will prevent DC residents from being frightened, injured, maimed, and killed by reckless drivers.

The driver in this scenario is an extreme outlier. Most people in this city are perfectly safe drivers. The question is why DDOT is burying the city in 3 million tickets when the problem is a tiny number of reckless drivers. It's the traffic equivalent of stationing National Guard troops on every corner in the city because some guy somewhere stabbed someone.

Are you really so dense that you believe those 3 million tickets are uniformly distributed across the population? No, a relatively small number of extremely careless drivers get the tickets. They are outliers and that’s the point. Were their dangerous behavior being appropriately sanctioned victims like Patricia Bullinger would still be alive.

Aside from there being zero evidence that's the case, it's clear you don't drive and also that your math skills are nonexistent. I dont know what you mean by a "tiny" number of drivers but do the math. Do you think those 3.3 million tickets went to, like, 100 people? They'd have to get 90 tickets a day, every single day of the year, for the math to work. Oh you meant 500 people? Doesn't really seem "tiny" but the math is still silly. They'd have to get 18 tickets every single day. 1000 people? 1000 extremely careless drivers seems like a major problem, but I'm pretty sure there's not a single person who gets 9 tickets every single day.

The DC lab study identified 100,000 high risk drivers.

Seems a little ridiculous, no? How do so many supposedly high risk drivers produce so few traffic fatalities? Also, exactly how many drivers do you think there are in DC?

There are a lot of non-fatal accidents, roughly 40 per day that merit a police report. Plus evasive maneuvers by everyone else on foot/biking/driving. Some roads like 295 get too congested to get fatal accidents very often, even with bad driving. Additionally some people just flat out avoid certain roads at certain times a day.

Not to mention that all of us who own vehicles pay for these accidents through elevated insurance premiums. People complain about equity and cameras, but the reality is that the truly awful behavior of some drivers in DC - and the failure of the DC government to take those drivers off the road - pushes the cost of owning a legally-insured car out of the reach of many poor families.

Give me a break. The rates DC charges for tickets is nothing short of predatory. You can owe $1200 for a single traffic ticket.

You're making stuff up again. Here's the fine schedule:

18-2200.1 SPEED 11-15 OVR LIMT $100
18-2200.1 SPEED 16-20 OVR LIMT $150
18-2200.1 SPEED 21-25 OVR LIMT $200
18-2200 OVER 25 MPH CONTROLLED $400
18-2200 OVER 25 MPH NON-CONTROLLED $500

The fines can be cut in half if you qualify for SNAP benefits (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAdIRBjCS2I).

So in DC, you can do 100mph in a 25mph zone and the fine can be as little as $200. That's absurd. Try speeding in a rural county in the south and see what happens. It's going to cost you a hell of a lot more than $200, I can guarantee you.

Heck, even Virginia routinely sends drivers to jail - including one Nats outfielder and an automotive journalist - for doing over 80mph on open roads.

If you really think DC fines are "predatory", about the best thing I can say about you is that you lack context.

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Anonymous wrote:The contractor leasing the equipment is making $6.3 million over two years.

https://legiscan.com/DC/text/PR25-0202/id/2808247

DC has a whole traffic camera industrial complex. It's like a cottage industry.

The number of tickets being issued is ridiculous considering how small DC is. But the contractors (and their shareholders) make money. The politicians collect revenue, not to mention campaign contributions from the contractors. DDOT has a reason for its huge budget. The War on Bikes loonies enjoy average drivers being carpet bombed with tickets that, probably in the vast majority of cases, no human cop would ever issue.

It’s voluntary.

They act like people are getting nabbed for 1 over. You have an 11mph buffer. That's almost a 50% increase over 25mph roads, and more than a 50% over 20mph roads.

Almost half the tickets aren't for speeding. Also, did you see how many tickets are being issued? 3.3 million? That doesn't seem kind of insane given there aren't even that all that many people who drive here.

1.6 million 11mph+ speeding tickets are insane, but I imagine we think that for different reasons.

We probably agree that we can't ticket drivers into obeying the law. i suspect we disagree on how to go forward as well.

I mean, use your brain. If there were actually that many dangerous drivers, there would be an epidemic of crashes. Clearly that's not happening. Probably a lot of those tickets are a result of the city adopting absurdly low speed in limits in a lot of places. Obviously many people are not going to obey those. Those tickets are also issued regardless of the circumstances. You can be driving on a street at 6am on a Sunday morning, with literally no one else on the streets or sidewalks, and if you go 31 mph in some places, you get a ticket. That's just dumb. A lot of these tickets are also going to out of town visitors who are just driving like normal people.

I'm sorry that you are so offended that the DC government sets speed limits to safeguard the welfare of DC residents. You are within your rights to feel that way, but most of the rest of us find it completely pathetic.

I've been pulled over a couple of times in Maryland in circumstances that I thought were ridiculous. I went to court and contested it. You have the same right to contest any tickets issued to you by the DC government.

But to pretend that DC's speed limits are some giant conspiracy - or are not informed by evidence - is very childish.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

Wealthiest neighborhoods in DC have little to no traffic cameras. For instance, you will never catch a traffic camera on Chain Bridge Road.

Drivers in black neighborhoods are 17 times more likely to be ticketed in DC than drivers in white neighborhoods.

OK. How many times are drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in black neighborhoods more likely to be killed or injured by traffic violence than drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in white neighborhoods?

You don’t know, do you?

If only you cared as much about those whose lives are shattered by reckless drivers as much as those reckless drivers who get ticketed.

It's extremely rate for anyone of any color in Washington D.C. to be killed by a speeding driver.

I knew someone who was killed in DC - on a crosswalk - by a speeding driver who had amassed thousands of dollars in unpaid fines. You can her death “rate” (sic) and advocate against policies that make our streets safer. I will call her death her preventable and advocate for policies that will prevent DC residents from being frightened, injured, maimed, and killed by reckless drivers.

The driver in this scenario is an extreme outlier. Most people in this city are perfectly safe drivers. The question is why DDOT is burying the city in 3 million tickets when the problem is a tiny number of reckless drivers. It's the traffic equivalent of stationing National Guard troops on every corner in the city because some guy somewhere stabbed someone.

Are you really so dense that you believe those 3 million tickets are uniformly distributed across the population? No, a relatively small number of extremely careless drivers get the tickets. They are outliers and that’s the point. Were their dangerous behavior being appropriately sanctioned victims like Patricia Bullinger would still be alive.

Aside from there being zero evidence that's the case, it's clear you don't drive and also that your math skills are nonexistent. I dont know what you mean by a "tiny" number of drivers but do the math. Do you think those 3.3 million tickets went to, like, 100 people? They'd have to get 90 tickets a day, every single day of the year, for the math to work. Oh you meant 500 people? Doesn't really seem "tiny" but the math is still silly. They'd have to get 18 tickets every single day. 1000 people? 1000 extremely careless drivers seems like a major problem, but I'm pretty sure there's not a single person who gets 9 tickets every single day.

The DC lab study identified 100,000 high risk drivers.

Seems a little ridiculous, no? How do so many supposedly high risk drivers produce so few traffic fatalities? Also, exactly how many drivers do you think there are in DC?

There are a lot of non-fatal accidents, roughly 40 per day that merit a police report. Plus evasive maneuvers by everyone else on foot/biking/driving. Some roads like 295 get too congested to get fatal accidents very often, even with bad driving. Additionally some people just flat out avoid certain roads at certain times a day.

Not to mention that all of us who own vehicles pay for these accidents through elevated insurance premiums. People complain about equity and cameras, but the reality is that the truly awful behavior of some drivers in DC - and the failure of the DC government to take those drivers off the road - pushes the cost of owning a legally-insured car out of the reach of many poor families.

Give me a break. The rates DC charges for tickets is nothing short of predatory. You can owe $1200 for a single traffic ticket.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

Wealthiest neighborhoods in DC have little to no traffic cameras. For instance, you will never catch a traffic camera on Chain Bridge Road.

Drivers in black neighborhoods are 17 times more likely to be ticketed in DC than drivers in white neighborhoods.

OK. How many times are drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in black neighborhoods more likely to be killed or injured by traffic violence than drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in white neighborhoods?

You don’t know, do you?

If only you cared as much about those whose lives are shattered by reckless drivers as much as those reckless drivers who get ticketed.

It's extremely rate for anyone of any color in Washington D.C. to be killed by a speeding driver.

I knew someone who was killed in DC - on a crosswalk - by a speeding driver who had amassed thousands of dollars in unpaid fines. You can her death “rate” (sic) and advocate against policies that make our streets safer. I will call her death her preventable and advocate for policies that will prevent DC residents from being frightened, injured, maimed, and killed by reckless drivers.

The driver in this scenario is an extreme outlier. Most people in this city are perfectly safe drivers. The question is why DDOT is burying the city in 3 million tickets when the problem is a tiny number of reckless drivers. It's the traffic equivalent of stationing National Guard troops on every corner in the city because some guy somewhere stabbed someone.

Are you really so dense that you believe those 3 million tickets are uniformly distributed across the population? No, a relatively small number of extremely careless drivers get the tickets. They are outliers and that’s the point. Were their dangerous behavior being appropriately sanctioned victims like Patricia Bullinger would still be alive.

Aside from there being zero evidence that's the case, it's clear you don't drive and also that your math skills are nonexistent. I dont know what you mean by a "tiny" number of drivers but do the math. Do you think those 3.3 million tickets went to, like, 100 people? They'd have to get 90 tickets a day, every single day of the year, for the math to work. Oh you meant 500 people? Doesn't really seem "tiny" but the math is still silly. They'd have to get 18 tickets every single day. 1000 people? 1000 extremely careless drivers seems like a major problem, but I'm pretty sure there's not a single person who gets 9 tickets every single day.

The DC lab study identified 100,000 high risk drivers.

Seems a little ridiculous, no? How do so many supposedly high risk drivers produce so few traffic fatalities? Also, exactly how many drivers do you think there are in DC?

There are a lot of non-fatal accidents, roughly 40 per day that merit a police report. Plus evasive maneuvers by everyone else on foot/biking/driving. Some roads like 295 get too congested to get fatal accidents very often, even with bad driving. Additionally some people just flat out avoid certain roads at certain times a day.

Not to mention that all of us who own vehicles pay for these accidents through elevated insurance premiums. People complain about equity and cameras, but the reality is that the truly awful behavior of some drivers in DC - and the failure of the DC government to take those drivers off the road - pushes the cost of owning a legally-insured car out of the reach of many poor families.

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Anonymous wrote:The contractor leasing the equipment is making $6.3 million over two years.

https://legiscan.com/DC/text/PR25-0202/id/2808247

DC has a whole traffic camera industrial complex. It's like a cottage industry.

The number of tickets being issued is ridiculous considering how small DC is. But the contractors (and their shareholders) make money. The politicians collect revenue, not to mention campaign contributions from the contractors. DDOT has a reason for its huge budget. The War on Bikes loonies enjoy average drivers being carpet bombed with tickets that, probably in the vast majority of cases, no human cop would ever issue.

It’s voluntary.

They act like people are getting nabbed for 1 over. You have an 11mph buffer. That's almost a 50% increase over 25mph roads, and more than a 50% over 20mph roads.

Almost half the tickets aren't for speeding. Also, did you see how many tickets are being issued? 3.3 million? That doesn't seem kind of insane given there aren't even that all that many people who drive here.

1.6 million 11mph+ speeding tickets are insane, but I imagine we think that for different reasons.

We probably agree that we can't ticket drivers into obeying the law. i suspect we disagree on how to go forward as well.

I mean, use your brain. If there were actually that many dangerous drivers, there would be an epidemic of crashes. Clearly that's not happening. Probably a lot of those tickets are a result of the city adopting absurdly low speed in limits in a lot of places. Obviously many people are not going to obey those. Those tickets are also issued regardless of the circumstances. You can be driving on a street at 6am on a Sunday morning, with literally no one else on the streets or sidewalks, and if you go 31 mph in some places, you get a ticket. That's just dumb. A lot of these tickets are also going to out of town visitors who are just driving like normal people.

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Anonymous wrote:The contractor leasing the equipment is making $6.3 million over two years.

https://legiscan.com/DC/text/PR25-0202/id/2808247

DC has a whole traffic camera industrial complex. It's like a cottage industry.

The number of tickets being issued is ridiculous considering how small DC is. But the contractors (and their shareholders) make money. The politicians collect revenue, not to mention campaign contributions from the contractors. DDOT has a reason for its huge budget. The War on Bikes loonies enjoy average drivers being carpet bombed with tickets that, probably in the vast majority of cases, no human cop would ever issue.

It’s voluntary.

They act like people are getting nabbed for 1 over. You have an 11mph buffer. That's almost a 50% increase over 25mph roads, and more than a 50% over 20mph roads.

Almost half the tickets aren't for speeding. Also, did you see how many tickets are being issued? 3.3 million? That doesn't seem kind of insane given there aren't even that all that many people who drive here.

1.6 million 11mph+ speeding tickets are insane, but I imagine we think that for different reasons.

We probably agree that we can't ticket drivers into obeying the law. i suspect we disagree on how to go forward as well.

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Anonymous wrote:The contractor leasing the equipment is making $6.3 million over two years.

https://legiscan.com/DC/text/PR25-0202/id/2808247

DC has a whole traffic camera industrial complex. It's like a cottage industry.

The number of tickets being issued is ridiculous considering how small DC is. But the contractors (and their shareholders) make money. The politicians collect revenue, not to mention campaign contributions from the contractors. DDOT has a reason for its huge budget. The War on Bikes loonies enjoy average drivers being carpet bombed with tickets that, probably in the vast majority of cases, no human cop would ever issue.

It’s voluntary.

They act like people are getting nabbed for 1 over. You have an 11mph buffer. That's almost a 50% increase over 25mph roads, and more than a 50% over 20mph roads.

I think one of the reasons why people hate the tickets is because so many of them seem like ticky tack bullshit. You get a ticket if you don't stop at a stop sign for three full seconds, even if there isn't another soul within a mile of you, and don't let your bumper hang over the crosswalk either, or that's definitely a ticket. Meanwhile, I see mopeds flying through stop signs at 40mph with no license plates. Yesterday I saw a bicyclist going down Connecticut Avenue with a baby in the basket on the front of her bike. No tickets for them, of course, though they're putting more lives in danger than me.

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Anonymous wrote:The contractor leasing the equipment is making $6.3 million over two years.

https://legiscan.com/DC/text/PR25-0202/id/2808247

DC has a whole traffic camera industrial complex. It's like a cottage industry.

The number of tickets being issued is ridiculous considering how small DC is. But the contractors (and their shareholders) make money. The politicians collect revenue, not to mention campaign contributions from the contractors. DDOT has a reason for its huge budget. The War on Bikes loonies enjoy average drivers being carpet bombed with tickets that, probably in the vast majority of cases, no human cop would ever issue.

It’s voluntary.

They act like people are getting nabbed for 1 over. You have an 11mph buffer. That's almost a 50% increase over 25mph roads, and more than a 50% over 20mph roads.

Almost half the tickets aren't for speeding. Also, did you see how many tickets are being issued? 3.3 million? That doesn't seem kind of insane given there aren't even that all that many people who drive here.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

Wealthiest neighborhoods in DC have little to no traffic cameras. For instance, you will never catch a traffic camera on Chain Bridge Road.

There’s at least 5 different speed cameras within 1 mile on just MacArthur Blvd and Foxhall Rds.

Are you truly this stupid, or are you a troll? It’s hard to tell.

Five whole cameras! Wow! There's 550 cameras in the city. They're mostly in Black neighborhoods. You should venture out of Foxhall once in awhile.

There’s 8 cameras within a half mile of my home on Hawthorne st NW in Wesley Heights.

That’s 3 on MacArthur, 2 on Foxhall, 2 on Wisconsin and 1 on Mass Ave.

That’s not enough cameras in my neighborhood to suit you? Eight???

As for “venturing out of my neighborhood” - uh, I live here, dumbass. My office is in my home. I see all my clients here. Of course I spend most of my time here. What else would I be doing? Do you think I should just be randomly driving around the city in places where I have no cause or reason to be there? Just out exploring? That’s what I should be doing? You sound like a 6 year old.

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Anonymous wrote:The contractor leasing the equipment is making $6.3 million over two years.

https://legiscan.com/DC/text/PR25-0202/id/2808247

DC has a whole traffic camera industrial complex. It's like a cottage industry.

The number of tickets being issued is ridiculous considering how small DC is. But the contractors (and their shareholders) make money. The politicians collect revenue, not to mention campaign contributions from the contractors. DDOT has a reason for its huge budget. The War on Bikes loonies enjoy average drivers being carpet bombed with tickets that, probably in the vast majority of cases, no human cop would ever issue.

It’s voluntary.

They act like people are getting nabbed for 1 over. You have an 11mph buffer. That's almost a 50% increase over 25mph roads, and more than a 50% over 20mph roads.

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Anonymous wrote:The contractor leasing the equipment is making $6.3 million over two years.

https://legiscan.com/DC/text/PR25-0202/id/2808247

DC has a whole traffic camera industrial complex. It's like a cottage industry.

The number of tickets being issued is ridiculous considering how small DC is. But the contractors (and their shareholders) make money. The politicians collect revenue, not to mention campaign contributions from the contractors. DDOT has a reason for its huge budget. The War on Bikes loonies enjoy average drivers being carpet bombed with tickets that, probably in the vast majority of cases, no human cop would ever issue.

It’s voluntary.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

Wealthiest neighborhoods in DC have little to no traffic cameras. For instance, you will never catch a traffic camera on Chain Bridge Road.

There’s at least 5 different speed cameras within 1 mile on just MacArthur Blvd and Foxhall Rds.

Are you truly this stupid, or are you a troll? It’s hard to tell.

Five whole cameras! Wow! There's 550 cameras in the city. They're mostly in Black neighborhoods. You should venture out of Foxhall once in awhile.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

That’s odd. The ONLY stop sign cameras I know of are all in upper NW, well west of the park.

There's only five of them west of the park. There's 30 or so everywhere else.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

Wealthiest neighborhoods in DC have little to no traffic cameras. For instance, you will never catch a traffic camera on Chain Bridge Road.

There’s at least 5 different speed cameras within 1 mile on just MacArthur Blvd and Foxhall Rds.

Are you truly this stupid, or are you a troll? It’s hard to tell.