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Anonymous wrote:I'm a mom and stopped RTO because it was a time suck, so work from home. So I'm like those dads. Otherwise, I notice some parents stay at home or have very part-time jobs because the spouse makes $$$. Think spouse works at Amazon so mom can be a freelance graphic designer sort of thing. Some people negotiated fulltime WFH during Covid and got grandfathered in. Also, don't forget in expensive cities, a lot of people have generational wealth or some sort of leg up that affords them to not work full-time.

How much do you think people make at Amazon on average, that would allow them to have a stay at home spouse in the most expensive neighborhood of Arlington?

Not sure about Amazon, but DH is a manager at another big tech company and clears $500K before any stock appreciation with under 10 YOE. Directors (2 levels up, average age is probably around 40) are easily over $1M and VPs (mid 40s) are minimum $2M but most push $3-4M. And that’s before any stock gains. If you hit EVP you’re mid-7s or higher.

PP here - forgot to add those #s are for non technical roles. I’d multiply by 1.5 - 2 for technical roles at each level eg SWE Manager should be around $600-750K etc.

Google? Otherwise, you’re out of your mind.

Google, Meta, OpenAI (w recent PPUs refresh for all employees including 2024 grads their average employee is over $1M now regardless of level), Coinbase, NVIDIA, Apple, Anthropic, Twitter before the Elon buyout.

Big Tech and the leading crypto / AI companies are a beast comp-wise and employ hundreds of thousands (millions?) collectively.

People around the DC area don’t realize how well those companies pay because we’re a law/policy focused job market and most of these employees are on the west coast or NYC. It’s kinda an IYKYK around here still.

They don’t. I worked at a firm like that fully remote for two years two months and although pay so so, I could do it in hoodie, unshaven in my pjs and have flex hours. But I for 325k worth of Vest RSUs in that time. If I stayed the full four years even though I was average I would of got a bit of bonus each year in stock plus full vesting, I world of had 750k in stock in four years on a job o could do in 3-4 hours a day in my pajamas. We paid low like 165k. But we had some SAHMs basically doing job by checking email T 600 am, logging off at 630 am gets kid ready, take kid to bus, pick up kid 300 pm then get snacks and stuff, check computer, make dinner and quick check of laptop before bed.

But over 4 years they would make $660k salary plus 750k stock, neighbors would think they don’t work at all.

What job has you working 4 hours a day earning $600k? You all can’t be PhD AI architects..

I was not earning $600k I was just getting paid 165k plus stock of around $155 a year. Was a good SAHM job

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Anonymous wrote:In your 50s with elementary school aged kids? Sounds awful.

You sound awful. I am 53 with a 10 year old. Our lives are awesome. I look like I am in my late 30s, am fit, healthy, have a great marriage and we financially secure for life. Take your ignorance somewhere else.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a mom and stopped RTO because it was a time suck, so work from home. So I'm like those dads. Otherwise, I notice some parents stay at home or have very part-time jobs because the spouse makes $$$. Think spouse works at Amazon so mom can be a freelance graphic designer sort of thing. Some people negotiated fulltime WFH during Covid and got grandfathered in. Also, don't forget in expensive cities, a lot of people have generational wealth or some sort of leg up that affords them to not work full-time.

How much do you think people make at Amazon on average, that would allow them to have a stay at home spouse in the most expensive neighborhood of Arlington?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a mom and stopped RTO because it was a time suck, so work from home. So I'm like those dads. Otherwise, I notice some parents stay at home or have very part-time jobs because the spouse makes $$$. Think spouse works at Amazon so mom can be a freelance graphic designer sort of thing. Some people negotiated fulltime WFH during Covid and got grandfathered in. Also, don't forget in expensive cities, a lot of people have generational wealth or some sort of leg up that affords them to not work full-time.

How much do you think people make at Amazon on average, that would allow them to have a stay at home spouse in the most expensive neighborhood of Arlington?

Not sure about Amazon, but DH is a manager at another big tech company and clears $500K before any stock appreciation with under 10 YOE. Directors (2 levels up, average age is probably around 40) are easily over $1M and VPs (mid 40s) are minimum $2M but most push $3-4M. And that’s before any stock gains. If you hit EVP you’re mid-7s or higher.

PP here - forgot to add those #s are for non technical roles. I’d multiply by 1.5 - 2 for technical roles at each level eg SWE Manager should be around $600-750K etc.

Google? Otherwise, you’re out of your mind.

Google, Meta, OpenAI (w recent PPUs refresh for all employees including 2024 grads their average employee is over $1M now regardless of level), Coinbase, NVIDIA, Apple, Anthropic, Twitter before the Elon buyout.

Big Tech and the leading crypto / AI companies are a beast comp-wise and employ hundreds of thousands (millions?) collectively.

People around the DC area don’t realize how well those companies pay because we’re a law/policy focused job market and most of these employees are on the west coast or NYC. It’s kinda an IYKYK around here still.

They don’t. I worked at a firm like that fully remote for two years two months and although pay so so, I could do it in hoodie, unshaven in my pjs and have flex hours. But I for 325k worth of Vest RSUs in that time. If I stayed the full four years even though I was average I would of got a bit of bonus each year in stock plus full vesting, I world of had 750k in stock in four years on a job o could do in 3-4 hours a day in my pajamas. We paid low like 165k. But we had some SAHMs basically doing job by checking email T 600 am, logging off at 630 am gets kid ready, take kid to bus, pick up kid 300 pm then get snacks and stuff, check computer, make dinner and quick check of laptop before bed.

But over 4 years they would make $660k salary plus 750k stock, neighbors would think they don’t work at all.

I love how because it wasn’t your specific experience, it can’t be true for others.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a mom and stopped RTO because it was a time suck, so work from home. So I'm like those dads. Otherwise, I notice some parents stay at home or have very part-time jobs because the spouse makes $$$. Think spouse works at Amazon so mom can be a freelance graphic designer sort of thing. Some people negotiated fulltime WFH during Covid and got grandfathered in. Also, don't forget in expensive cities, a lot of people have generational wealth or some sort of leg up that affords them to not work full-time.

How much do you think people make at Amazon on average, that would allow them to have a stay at home spouse in the most expensive neighborhood of Arlington?

Not sure about Amazon, but DH is a manager at another big tech company and clears $500K before any stock appreciation with under 10 YOE. Directors (2 levels up, average age is probably around 40) are easily over $1M and VPs (mid 40s) are minimum $2M but most push $3-4M. And that’s before any stock gains. If you hit EVP you’re mid-7s or higher.

PP here - forgot to add those #s are for non technical roles. I’d multiply by 1.5 - 2 for technical roles at each level eg SWE Manager should be around $600-750K etc.

Google? Otherwise, you’re out of your mind.

Google, Meta, OpenAI (w recent PPUs refresh for all employees including 2024 grads their average employee is over $1M now regardless of level), Coinbase, NVIDIA, Apple, Anthropic, Twitter before the Elon buyout.

Big Tech and the leading crypto / AI companies are a beast comp-wise and employ hundreds of thousands (millions?) collectively.

People around the DC area don’t realize how well those companies pay because we’re a law/policy focused job market and most of these employees are on the west coast or NYC. It’s kinda an IYKYK around here still.

They don’t. I worked at a firm like that fully remote for two years two months and although pay so so, I could do it in hoodie, unshaven in my pjs and have flex hours. But I for 325k worth of Vest RSUs in that time. If I stayed the full four years even though I was average I would of got a bit of bonus each year in stock plus full vesting, I world of had 750k in stock in four years on a job o could do in 3-4 hours a day in my pajamas. We paid low like 165k. But we had some SAHMs basically doing job by checking email T 600 am, logging off at 630 am gets kid ready, take kid to bus, pick up kid 300 pm then get snacks and stuff, check computer, make dinner and quick check of laptop before bed.

But over 4 years they would make $660k salary plus 750k stock, neighbors would think they don’t work at all.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a mom and stopped RTO because it was a time suck, so work from home. So I'm like those dads. Otherwise, I notice some parents stay at home or have very part-time jobs because the spouse makes $$$. Think spouse works at Amazon so mom can be a freelance graphic designer sort of thing. Some people negotiated fulltime WFH during Covid and got grandfathered in. Also, don't forget in expensive cities, a lot of people have generational wealth or some sort of leg up that affords them to not work full-time.

How much do you think people make at Amazon on average, that would allow them to have a stay at home spouse in the most expensive neighborhood of Arlington?

Not sure about Amazon, but DH is a manager at another big tech company and clears $500K before any stock appreciation with under 10 YOE. Directors (2 levels up, average age is probably around 40) are easily over $1M and VPs (mid 40s) are minimum $2M but most push $3-4M. And that’s before any stock gains. If you hit EVP you’re mid-7s or higher.

PP here - forgot to add those #s are for non technical roles. I’d multiply by 1.5 - 2 for technical roles at each level eg SWE Manager should be around $600-750K etc.

Google? Otherwise, you’re out of your mind.

Google, Meta, OpenAI (w recent PPUs refresh for all employees including 2024 grads their average employee is over $1M now regardless of level), Coinbase, NVIDIA, Apple, Anthropic, Twitter before the Elon buyout.

Big Tech and the leading crypto / AI companies are a beast comp-wise and employ hundreds of thousands (millions?) collectively.

People around the DC area don’t realize how well those companies pay because we’re a law/policy focused job market and most of these employees are on the west coast or NYC. It’s kinda an IYKYK around here still.

They don’t. I worked at a firm like that fully remote for two years two months and although pay so so, I could do it in hoodie, unshaven in my pjs and have flex hours. But I for 325k worth of Vest RSUs in that time. If I stayed the full four years even though I was average I would of got a bit of bonus each year in stock plus full vesting, I world of had 750k in stock in four years on a job o could do in 3-4 hours a day in my pajamas. We paid low like 165k. But we had some SAHMs basically doing job by checking email T 600 am, logging off at 630 am gets kid ready, take kid to bus, pick up kid 300 pm then get snacks and stuff, check computer, make dinner and quick check of laptop before bed.

But over 4 years they would make $660k salary plus 750k stock, neighbors would think they don’t work at all.

What job has you working 4 hours a day earning $600k? You all can’t be PhD AI architects..

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a mom and stopped RTO because it was a time suck, so work from home. So I'm like those dads. Otherwise, I notice some parents stay at home or have very part-time jobs because the spouse makes $$$. Think spouse works at Amazon so mom can be a freelance graphic designer sort of thing. Some people negotiated fulltime WFH during Covid and got grandfathered in. Also, don't forget in expensive cities, a lot of people have generational wealth or some sort of leg up that affords them to not work full-time.

How much do you think people make at Amazon on average, that would allow them to have a stay at home spouse in the most expensive neighborhood of Arlington?

Not sure about Amazon, but DH is a manager at another big tech company and clears $500K before any stock appreciation with under 10 YOE. Directors (2 levels up, average age is probably around 40) are easily over $1M and VPs (mid 40s) are minimum $2M but most push $3-4M. And that’s before any stock gains. If you hit EVP you’re mid-7s or higher.

PP here - forgot to add those #s are for non technical roles. I’d multiply by 1.5 - 2 for technical roles at each level eg SWE Manager should be around $600-750K etc.

Google? Otherwise, you’re out of your mind.

Google, Meta, OpenAI (w recent PPUs refresh for all employees including 2024 grads their average employee is over $1M now regardless of level), Coinbase, NVIDIA, Apple, Anthropic, Twitter before the Elon buyout.

Big Tech and the leading crypto / AI companies are a beast comp-wise and employ hundreds of thousands (millions?) collectively.

People around the DC area don’t realize how well those companies pay because we’re a law/policy focused job market and most of these employees are on the west coast or NYC. It’s kinda an IYKYK around here still.

They don’t. I worked at a firm like that fully remote for two years two months and although pay so so, I could do it in hoodie, unshaven in my pjs and have flex hours. But I for 325k worth of Vest RSUs in that time. If I stayed the full four years even though I was average I would of got a bit of bonus each year in stock plus full vesting, I world of had 750k in stock in four years on a job o could do in 3-4 hours a day in my pajamas. We paid low like 165k. But we had some SAHMs basically doing job by checking email T 600 am, logging off at 630 am gets kid ready, take kid to bus, pick up kid 300 pm then get snacks and stuff, check computer, make dinner and quick check of laptop before bed.

But over 4 years they would make $660k salary plus 750k stock, neighbors would think they don’t work at all.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a mom and stopped RTO because it was a time suck, so work from home. So I'm like those dads. Otherwise, I notice some parents stay at home or have very part-time jobs because the spouse makes $$$. Think spouse works at Amazon so mom can be a freelance graphic designer sort of thing. Some people negotiated fulltime WFH during Covid and got grandfathered in. Also, don't forget in expensive cities, a lot of people have generational wealth or some sort of leg up that affords them to not work full-time.

How much do you think people make at Amazon on average, that would allow them to have a stay at home spouse in the most expensive neighborhood of Arlington?

Not sure about Amazon, but DH is a manager at another big tech company and clears $500K before any stock appreciation with under 10 YOE. Directors (2 levels up, average age is probably around 40) are easily over $1M and VPs (mid 40s) are minimum $2M but most push $3-4M. And that’s before any stock gains. If you hit EVP you’re mid-7s or higher.

PP here - forgot to add those #s are for non technical roles. I’d multiply by 1.5 - 2 for technical roles at each level eg SWE Manager should be around $600-750K etc.

Google? Otherwise, you’re out of your mind.

Google, Meta, OpenAI (w recent PPUs refresh for all employees including 2024 grads their average employee is over $1M now regardless of level), Coinbase, NVIDIA, Apple, Anthropic, Twitter before the Elon buyout.

Big Tech and the leading crypto / AI companies are a beast comp-wise and employ hundreds of thousands (millions?) collectively.

People around the DC area don’t realize how well those companies pay because we’re a law/policy focused job market and most of these employees are on the west coast or NYC. It’s kinda an IYKYK around here still.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a mom and stopped RTO because it was a time suck, so work from home. So I'm like those dads. Otherwise, I notice some parents stay at home or have very part-time jobs because the spouse makes $$$. Think spouse works at Amazon so mom can be a freelance graphic designer sort of thing. Some people negotiated fulltime WFH during Covid and got grandfathered in. Also, don't forget in expensive cities, a lot of people have generational wealth or some sort of leg up that affords them to not work full-time.

How much do you think people make at Amazon on average, that would allow them to have a stay at home spouse in the most expensive neighborhood of Arlington?

Not sure about Amazon, but DH is a manager at another big tech company and clears $500K before any stock appreciation with under 10 YOE. Directors (2 levels up, average age is probably around 40) are easily over $1M and VPs (mid 40s) are minimum $2M but most push $3-4M. And that’s before any stock gains. If you hit EVP you’re mid-7s or higher.

PP here - forgot to add those #s are for non technical roles. I’d multiply by 1.5 - 2 for technical roles at each level eg SWE Manager should be around $600-750K etc.

Google? Otherwise, you’re out of your mind.

Google, Meta, OpenAI (w recent PPUs refresh for all employees including 2024 grads their average employee is over $1M now regardless of level), Coinbase, NVIDIA, Apple, Anthropic, Twitter before the Elon buyout.

Big Tech and the leading crypto / AI companies are a beast comp-wise and employ hundreds of thousands (millions?) collectively.

People around the DC area don’t realize how well those companies pay because we’re a law/policy focused job market and most of these employees are on the west coast or NYC. It’s kinda an IYKYK around here still.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a mom and stopped RTO because it was a time suck, so work from home. So I'm like those dads. Otherwise, I notice some parents stay at home or have very part-time jobs because the spouse makes $$$. Think spouse works at Amazon so mom can be a freelance graphic designer sort of thing. Some people negotiated fulltime WFH during Covid and got grandfathered in. Also, don't forget in expensive cities, a lot of people have generational wealth or some sort of leg up that affords them to not work full-time.

How much do you think people make at Amazon on average, that would allow them to have a stay at home spouse in the most expensive neighborhood of Arlington?

Not sure about Amazon, but DH is a manager at another big tech company and clears $500K before any stock appreciation with under 10 YOE. Directors (2 levels up, average age is probably around 40) are easily over $1M and VPs (mid 40s) are minimum $2M but most push $3-4M. And that’s before any stock gains. If you hit EVP you’re mid-7s or higher.

PP here - forgot to add those #s are for non technical roles. I’d multiply by 1.5 - 2 for technical roles at each level eg SWE Manager should be around $600-750K etc.

Google? Otherwise, you’re out of your mind.

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Anonymous wrote:So in summary it seems like only the feds RTO, and contractors.

I have no idea why it became a contest about who makes the most money by working the least. It’s pretty well documented that people who have very high salaries often have the most autonomy in their roles.

Scratch contractors from the RTO list - I’m sure some have RTO-d but generally, there’s no room for them on site.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a mom and stopped RTO because it was a time suck, so work from home. So I'm like those dads. Otherwise, I notice some parents stay at home or have very part-time jobs because the spouse makes $$$. Think spouse works at Amazon so mom can be a freelance graphic designer sort of thing. Some people negotiated fulltime WFH during Covid and got grandfathered in. Also, don't forget in expensive cities, a lot of people have generational wealth or some sort of leg up that affords them to not work full-time.

How much do you think people make at Amazon on average, that would allow them to have a stay at home spouse in the most expensive neighborhood of Arlington?

Not sure about Amazon, but DH is a manager at another big tech company and clears $500K before any stock appreciation with under 10 YOE. Directors (2 levels up, average age is probably around 40) are easily over $1M and VPs (mid 40s) are minimum $2M but most push $3-4M. And that’s before any stock gains. If you hit EVP you’re mid-7s or higher.

PP here - forgot to add those #s are for non technical roles. I’d multiply by 1.5 - 2 for technical roles at each level eg SWE Manager should be around $600-750K etc.

Anonymous wrote:So in summary it seems like only the feds RTO, and contractors.

I have no idea why it became a contest about who makes the most money by working the least. It’s pretty well documented that people who have very high salaries often have the most autonomy in their roles.