Anonymous wrote:OP you are an immature brat. Buck up and be an adult. Take care of your own kids. Your parents sound low key, living their retirement. They obviously love you and your kids or they wouldn’t visit. At some point they may stop, given you think they are not “useful” to you. I’m sure your attitude reeks.

Anonymous wrote:People do things for many reasons. Their coming does not mean love.

My guess is its their form of love but its a very passive form. Thats all they got and at least they don't have major problems.

Anonymous wrote:OP you are an immature brat. Buck up and be an adult. Take care of your own kids. Your parents sound low key, living their retirement. They obviously love you and your kids or they wouldn’t visit. At some point they may stop, given you think they are not “useful” to you. I’m sure your attitude reeks.

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Anonymous wrote:You are expecting too much from your parents. Parents aren't there to help with your kids or pay for your kids. If you get that from even one side, you've won the lotto.

I am expecting too much of them to be involved or even care about my grandkids at all?? That seems like a very low bar. I was not expecting them to do everything for me, but they are not even making an effort at all. I cannot rely on them for literally anything and they have the nerve to suggest that I should spend money on a nanny when they can’t even come for the weekend (occasionally) to help out. Thats fine if they don’t have money to help out, but they should. criticize me for not spending 4K+ a month on childcare when they are unwilling to help.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you need so much financial help

I don't need financial help, his parents are just insistent on providing help. They would be very upset if we did not accept it. We save 30%+ of our salary (not including retirement accounts). They don't let us pay for groceries, gave us a downpayment for our house, will pay off mortgage soon, put money in kids 529 accounts.

Did anyone not notice that this is not normal??? You're completely enmeshed and for some reason assume that this behavior is grandparent gold standard. I don't know anyone, and I mean anyone, whose parents/ ILs are paying for their groceries. It seems that your ILs are controlling everything about your life and for some reason you consider this normal. Your parents are fine. In fact I'd love if my parents/ILs went out to eat when they come to visit instead of sitting on the living room couch and expect to be served. If your ILs cook and change diapers, what are you doing?

We all contribute. They take care of the kids while we are working. They go out to eat because they are rude and wont eat the meals my ILs cook.

If you live with your in-laws, maybe your parents do not feel welcome and feel like outsiders when they visit. How often do you visit your parents at their house?

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you need so much financial help

I don't need financial help, his parents are just insistent on providing help. They would be very upset if we did not accept it. We save 30%+ of our salary (not including retirement accounts). They don't let us pay for groceries, gave us a downpayment for our house, will pay off mortgage soon, put money in kids 529 accounts.

Did anyone not notice that this is not normal??? You're completely enmeshed and for some reason assume that this behavior is grandparent gold standard. I don't know anyone, and I mean anyone, whose parents/ ILs are paying for their groceries. It seems that your ILs are controlling everything about your life and for some reason you consider this normal. Your parents are fine. In fact I'd love if my parents/ILs went out to eat when they come to visit instead of sitting on the living room couch and expect to be served. If your ILs cook and change diapers, what are you doing?

We all contribute. They take care of the kids while we are working. They go out to eat because they are rude and wont eat the meals my ILs cook.

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OP keep it real. You ONLY like those in laws more than your own parents as they’re paying your way.

Stop with the “ they insist” Gigs up User.

+1. OP is so transparent.

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Anonymous wrote:Relationships built on “usefulness” are not good relationships. Accusing your of using your kids for photographs and nothing more is more telling of your character than theirs. You sound spoiled and immature, unable to provide for your own kids.

The grandparents are building their relationship based on usefulness. They only come to take photos to stay a couple of hours a year and pretend they have a good relationship. They weigh each hour they spend on how useful it is to their life. OP feels used which is probably why she's saying they are useless. They are both using each other I suppose because there is no love to take the place. When you love someone relationship aren't this transactional and no one feels used because each person respects the boundaries someone sets and in the space in between they are there to love, not solely to get something out of the interaction.

OP called her parents useless because they are not taking care of her kids and giving her money.

No I called them useless for being terrible grandparents and not giving a crap about their grandkids. They stay at my house for 3 days, spend less than a hour a day with the grandkids, then leave for a weeklong vacation immediately after. They have plenty of time for weeklong vacations. Clearly the grandkids are an afterthought and they don’t care about them.

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Anonymous wrote:Relationships built on “usefulness” are not good relationships. Accusing your of using your kids for photographs and nothing more is more telling of your character than theirs. You sound spoiled and immature, unable to provide for your own kids.

The grandparents are building their relationship based on usefulness. They only come to take photos to stay a couple of hours a year and pretend they have a good relationship. They weigh each hour they spend on how useful it is to their life. OP feels used which is probably why she's saying they are useless. They are both using each other I suppose because there is no love to take the place. When you love someone relationship aren't this transactional and no one feels used because each person respects the boundaries someone sets and in the space in between they are there to love, not solely to get something out of the interaction.

OP called her parents useless because they are not taking care of her kids and giving her money.

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Anonymous wrote:Relationships built on “usefulness” are not good relationships. Accusing your of using your kids for photographs and nothing more is more telling of your character than theirs. You sound spoiled and immature, unable to provide for your own kids.

The grandparents are building their relationship based on usefulness. They only come to take photos to stay a couple of hours a year and pretend they have a good relationship. They weigh each hour they spend on how useful it is to their life. OP feels used which is probably why she's saying they are useless. They are both using each other I suppose because there is no love to take the place. When you love someone relationship aren't this transactional and no one feels used because each person respects the boundaries someone sets and in the space in between they are there to love, not solely to get something out of the interaction.

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Anonymous wrote:Relationships built on “usefulness” are not good relationships. Accusing your of using your kids for photographs and nothing more is more telling of your character than theirs. You sound spoiled and immature, unable to provide for your own kids.

The grandparents are building their relationship based on usefulness. They only come to take photos to stay a couple of hours a year and pretend they have a good relationship. They weigh each hour they spend on how useful it is to their life. OP feels used which is probably why she's saying they are useless. They are both using each other I suppose because there is no love to take the place. When you love someone relationship aren't this transactional and no one feels used because each person respects the boundaries someone sets and in the space in between they are there to love, not solely to get something out of the interaction.

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Anonymous wrote:You are expecting too much from your parents. Parents aren't there to help with your kids or pay for your kids. If you get that from even one side, you've won the lotto.

+1. You should have discussed your child care plans and jobs they would have before you had kids if they were supposed to be part of the plan. Other than that-some grandparents ARE disengaged and that does suck. You want them to care so much/LIVE for their grandkids like some grandparents do. But not everyone is that way and sometimes that's not health either.

But you can't get blood from a stone, so change your expectations to what falls in line with their actual behaviour.

PS stop feeding your inlaws info/your verbals and/or non-verbals about your parents. They are feeding off that and are now also apparently acting entitled. They should just feel sneakily lucky that they don't have to share the grandkids- UNLESS they too actually want to be off the hook and DON'T actually want to have to be stepping up as much as they apparently have been.

I think you and DH may need to rethink how much you are having others help you out. Possibly assess your overspending if you are having an issue affording paid child care.