I'm sure Trump will Lock Up the Lunatics!

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Anonymous wrote:The photos from his mothers FB show him wearing nail polish, pendant earrings, and his long hair in ponytails.

Sick.

Yes, it is sick to demonize any particular group of people (I suppose in this case you are pointing the finger at this kid's peers, other boys who don't conform to gender stereotypes) in the wake of a school shooting. Probably have defunded this type of research but it's interesting - Public Mass Shootings: Database Amasses Details of a Half Century of U.S. Mass Shootings with Firearms, Generating Psychosocial Histories (https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/public-mass-shootings-database-amasses-details-half-century-us-mass-shootings)

Are you equating feminine little boys who like ballet with this hulking, utterly masculine monster and others like him? They have nothing in common and you should be ashamed.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter if he is pro or anti-Trump. It doesn't matter what his sexual orientation or identity is. None of that matters.

If he didn't have access to guns, he couldn't have killed to innocent children. He couldn't have shot over a dozen others.

Anyone who does not see this, is complicit.

Mentality deranged people should not have access to guns. The signs were there

The people who commit these shootings are not mentally normal and probably shouldn’t be allowed in society. I mean, just go down the list. Charleston Church shooting, parkland, aurora movie theater, the Vegas music festival, sandy hook, and countless others. All anti social and mentally ill.

For whatever reason, the conversation around guns and preventing mass shootings rarely drill down to this: there were warning signs, so what needs to change for parents/doctors/schools/etc. to take action? What systems need to be in place? What can/should concerned people who fear their loved ones/coworkers/classmates/patients might go on a rampage actually do?

^^^
Focus on that.

At a minimum I think we can find consensus on both sides to prevent these people from accessing weapons. Start there. The all or nothing rhetoric doesn’t work. Focus on the low hanging fruit: people with obvious issues who can’t be trusted with a weapon.

I agree but these same people also can't be trusted with an SUV, or knives, or explosives. They need supervision.

Anonymous wrote:The mother of Robert Westman used to work at the school.

His mother was a woke “Catholic”.

I just watched his video with all of the MMO and guns. We haven’t watched it, his bed is covered in guns and clips. They have Russian words and English words written on them. He has a notebook with a sketch of the church and he whispers kill them.

He has a poster on his door with target and a picture of Jesus with the thorny crown.

The video gave me chills.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter if he is pro or anti-Trump. It doesn't matter what his sexual orientation or identity is. None of that matters.

If he didn't have access to guns, he couldn't have killed to innocent children. He couldn't have shot over a dozen others.

Anyone who does not see this, is complicit.

Mentality deranged people should not have access to guns. The signs were there

The people who commit these shootings are not mentally normal and probably shouldn’t be allowed in society. I mean, just go down the list. Charleston Church shooting, parkland, aurora movie theater, the Vegas music festival, sandy hook, and countless others. All anti social and mentally ill.

For whatever reason, the conversation around guns and preventing mass shootings rarely drill down to this: there were warning signs, so what needs to change for parents/doctors/schools/etc. to take action? What systems need to be in place? What can/should concerned people who fear their loved ones/coworkers/classmates/patients might go on a rampage actually do?

^^^
Focus on that.

At a minimum I think we can find consensus on both sides to prevent these people from accessing weapons. Start there. The all or nothing rhetoric doesn’t work. Focus on the low hanging fruit: people with obvious issues who can’t be trusted with a weapon.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are the police unable to identify who the shooter was?

The problem in our individualistic society is that no one is willing to say "That guy is a psycho/pervert/freak and needs to be watched like a hawk." Instead it's "you do you!" Evil walks among us and we can't deny it even if the media doesn't want us to think about it. They want us to think of this like a bad tornado, just something that happens.

There isn’t enough of a mechanism to do something with these people. The people who do these crimes typically are not normal people who recently slipped into problems. Most of them have life long antisocial and troubling behaviors.

Mental hospitals.
And don't say "But Reagan" because he caved to a lobby that started in the 60s with the idiotic "One flew over the cuckoos nest" that fooled people into thinking every free spirit was in danger of forced electroshock therapy to turn them into Don Draper. Why he caved I don't know, it was before my time. But it's been a rotten failure.

I will definitely point the finger at the person who closed all the mental hospitals in favor of block grants to states which then, per the Republican playbook ever since, sucked the $ into other areas and not into mental health supports. And, I suspect that all the homeless that you see (mostly veterans) would also like to have a word with Ronald Reagan. The "lobby" from the early 60s pushed for many supports for mentally ill people that were never implemented as an alternative to institutionalization. Surprise, you cannot just wish away massive societal problems. Like mental illness *or* gun control. So yes, I do blame Reagan for the actual actions he took in defunding all our mental institutions, and the ensuing lack of funding for mental health supports. I am not a huge fan of the DOGE gutting of our existing, inadequate supports, and think we need to get serious about helping focus resources on those with mental health issues.

You should read American Psychosis: How the Federal Government Destroyed the Mental Illness Treatment System by E. Fuller Torrey (he is a local if you are from DC; he's a Bethesda psychiatrist). Super interesting history -- and yes, lots of people in both parties wanted to stop institutionalizing people entirely (which this author thinks was a mistake and I agree with him).

I have read that and blaming Reagan is fine but its ancient history at this point. I am more interested in fixing the mistake. And it seems like every time money is allocated toward mental health it ends up in the wrong pockets and not helping anyone. Re-open the hospitals. You can use empty malls, I don't care.

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Anonymous wrote:Media is reporting the suicidal shooter was:

“Robin Westman, who is in his early 20s,”

News outlets keep referring to a “20-minute YouTube video shared on his YT account hours before the shooting”

What was in the video? Is it still up?

It's just schizophrenic nonsense.
You can't lock someone up for being nuts in America. They have to either commit a crime or tell a healthcare provider that they are planning to commit a crime (or suicide). And then you can get them 72 hours in a hospital.
This needs to change. We have people who are a danger to society and we are just waiting for these ticking time bombs to go off. Often even their own parents are begging for help.
I will happily pay more taxes for this and I am GOP.

But Minnesota has a red flag law so anyone could have reported him and his guns would have been taken away from him. I wonder if anyone made a report. I wish more people knew about these red flag laws. Maryland has one FYI so if you know of someone in a mental health crisis please report them so their guns can be taken away.

Yes. He came from a large, close, and supportive family (based on his own words) along with having friends. He speaks of all of that in the goodbye letter he left. No one noticed anything or reported this behavior? Why not????

Did you watch the video? Clearly parents that use the internet to raise him.

What’s wrong giving social media to your kids?

Don’t know, mine don’t have it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Media is reporting the suicidal shooter was:

“Robin Westman, who is in his early 20s,”

News outlets keep referring to a “20-minute YouTube video shared on his YT account hours before the shooting”

What was in the video? Is it still up?

It's just schizophrenic nonsense.
You can't lock someone up for being nuts in America. They have to either commit a crime or tell a healthcare provider that they are planning to commit a crime (or suicide). And then you can get them 72 hours in a hospital.
This needs to change. We have people who are a danger to society and we are just waiting for these ticking time bombs to go off. Often even their own parents are begging for help.
I will happily pay more taxes for this and I am GOP.

But Minnesota has a red flag law so anyone could have reported him and his guns would have been taken away from him. I wonder if anyone made a report. I wish more people knew about these red flag laws. Maryland has one FYI so if you know of someone in a mental health crisis please report them so their guns can be taken away.

Yes. He came from a large, close, and supportive family (based on his own words) along with having friends. He speaks of all of that in the goodbye letter he left. No one noticed anything or reported this behavior? Why not????

Did you watch the video? Clearly parents that use the internet to raise him.

What’s wrong giving social media to your kids?

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Anonymous wrote:The photos from his mothers FB show him wearing nail polish, pendant earrings, and his long hair in ponytails.

Sick.

Yes, it is sick to demonize any particular group of people (I suppose in this case you are pointing the finger at this kid's peers, other boys who don't conform to gender stereotypes) in the wake of a school shooting. Probably have defunded this type of research but it's interesting - Public Mass Shootings: Database Amasses Details of a Half Century of U.S. Mass Shootings with Firearms, Generating Psychosocial Histories (https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/public-mass-shootings-database-amasses-details-half-century-us-mass-shootings)

I overheard it on the street
A mass tragedy'd occurred

I didn't know how to react
I had to know the latest word

If it had been a hijacked airplane
My resolve it would be steeled

Another Ryder Truck explosion
And I'd pray all would be healed

Or an extremist with a knife
I would go out and donate blood

But I knew just what I should do
When I saw that they'd used a gun

I got on Facebook, status update
Started typing like the breeze

Cuz it's the perfect chance to
Advance my political beliefs

Yes in the face of acts of terror
I won't be dyed in the wool

Unless the weapon had a
Tiny little metal thing you pull

Cuz there's no time to come together
Express sorrow for the sad

When people have a right to own something
I don't want them to have

So if a crime scene's still roped off
We could unify in sorrow

Or ask was it with a gun
And in a place not called Chicago

You could plug all your beliefs
Until your face is turning red

Or you could also just respond the way
You would have if instead

it was a plane, a bomb, a Ryder truck
A vest, or with a knife

if they were drowned, or hung
Or thrown from buildings, buried/burned alive

If they were kidnapped by the hundreds
Sold to slavery with vigor

I'd respond with unity but if
The weapon had a trigger I would--

I overheard it on the street
A mass tragedy'd ensued

When I saw it was an immigrant
I knew what i should do...

The mother of Robert Westman used to work at the school.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Media is reporting the suicidal shooter was:

“Robin Westman, who is in his early 20s,”

News outlets keep referring to a “20-minute YouTube video shared on his YT account hours before the shooting”

What was in the video? Is it still up?

It's just schizophrenic nonsense.
You can't lock someone up for being nuts in America. They have to either commit a crime or tell a healthcare provider that they are planning to commit a crime (or suicide). And then you can get them 72 hours in a hospital.
This needs to change. We have people who are a danger to society and we are just waiting for these ticking time bombs to go off. Often even their own parents are begging for help.
I will happily pay more taxes for this and I am GOP.

But Minnesota has a red flag law so anyone could have reported him and his guns would have been taken away from him. I wonder if anyone made a report. I wish more people knew about these red flag laws. Maryland has one FYI so if you know of someone in a mental health crisis please report them so their guns can be taken away.

Yes. He came from a large, close, and supportive family (based on his own words) along with having friends. He speaks of all of that in the goodbye letter he left. No one noticed anything or reported this behavior? Why not????

Did you watch the video? Clearly parents that use the internet to raise him.

No, I didn’t watch all the videos. The few clips I saw were quite disturbing so turned it off. You may well be right about that. Just saying he seems to note good relationships with his parents and a bunch of siblings in that letter- which may or may not be true. If it is, you’d hope at least one of those people would’ve intervened.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are the police unable to identify who the shooter was?

The problem in our individualistic society is that no one is willing to say "That guy is a psycho/pervert/freak and needs to be watched like a hawk." Instead it's "you do you!" Evil walks among us and we can't deny it even if the media doesn't want us to think about it. They want us to think of this like a bad tornado, just something that happens.

There isn’t enough of a mechanism to do something with these people. The people who do these crimes typically are not normal people who recently slipped into problems. Most of them have life long antisocial and troubling behaviors.

Mental hospitals.
And don't say "But Reagan" because he caved to a lobby that started in the 60s with the idiotic "One flew over the cuckoos nest" that fooled people into thinking every free spirit was in danger of forced electroshock therapy to turn them into Don Draper. Why he caved I don't know, it was before my time. But it's been a rotten failure.

I will definitely point the finger at the person who closed all the mental hospitals in favor of block grants to states which then, per the Republican playbook ever since, sucked the $ into other areas and not into mental health supports. And, I suspect that all the homeless that you see (mostly veterans) would also like to have a word with Ronald Reagan. The "lobby" from the early 60s pushed for many supports for mentally ill people that were never implemented as an alternative to institutionalization. Surprise, you cannot just wish away massive societal problems. Like mental illness *or* gun control. So yes, I do blame Reagan for the actual actions he took in defunding all our mental institutions, and the ensuing lack of funding for mental health supports. I am not a huge fan of the DOGE gutting of our existing, inadequate supports, and think we need to get serious about helping focus resources on those with mental health issues.

You should read American Psychosis: How the Federal Government Destroyed the Mental Illness Treatment System by E. Fuller Torrey (he is a local if you are from DC; he's a Bethesda psychiatrist). Super interesting history -- and yes, lots of people in both parties wanted to stop institutionalizing people entirely (which this author thinks was a mistake and I agree with him).

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter if he is pro or anti-Trump. It doesn't matter what his sexual orientation or identity is. None of that matters.

If he didn't have access to guns, he couldn't have killed to innocent children. He couldn't have shot over a dozen others.

Anyone who does not see this, is complicit.

Mentality deranged people should not have access to guns. The signs were there

No citizen should. Period. People are fine before they have mental breakdowns. Our mental health care sucks. All our health care sucks. Even if it didn't, why should anyone have access to automatic weapons?? It doesn't matter what a person's politics are. I am so sick of this. Those poor children.

Then we have to agree to disagree. The vast majority of people can be trusted with guns.

Who has the responsibility to determine that? What if this guy presented as completely normal and trustworthy? What if someone is as stable as can be and then has a psychotic episode? What if someone is a charming in-control sociopath who can fool anyone, including a salesman looking to earn his wages in the Walmart gun department? What do you say then? "Oooops! Sorry, kids are dead. Walmart guy's bad." You are part of the problem if you voted for this. The blood is on your hands.

Read up on this guy. There were many, many warnings. A lot of news is coming out now.

Exactly. Red flags are ALWAYS there.