Anonymous wrote:2025 grad parent here. Kid graduated with a BS in accounting from a state school most on here would turn there noses up at. They hustled for an internship last year and got a full time offer upon graduation. They are paying for them to study for CPA exam (just sat for the first exam this week.) Also have a 2023 engineering grad who has been fully employed since graduation. Jobs are out there.

Why did you add this nonsense to your post? I posted upthread that DS has a job, but I know he’s terribly lucky because the rate of GenZ unemployment is double the national average, including young men who have college degrees. We can’t be blind to this.

Anonymous wrote:DD’s a history major and has a job, so do all her friends. The only people struggling right now are her premed friends who didn’t make it into med school/other bio majors and cs majors.

Interesting. Is this because of all the cuts in medical research grants from the federal government

Anonymous wrote:Ugh, this is making me upset that my kid wants to major in government or history. I don't know what he's going to do coming out of college.

Yep. I’m concerned for my kid majoring in psychology. So far everyone who has responded with a successes had kids who majored in accounting, comp sci, or engineering.

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Anonymous wrote:My son is a research scientist and they're paying for him to get his Masters degree.

A research scientist has a PhD. Your son is a research assistant.

You can be a research scientist prior. DS was given the literal role of “Scientist I” last year with just a BS in physics. Not everyone has the same titles as the government.

Title rich. Same as Banking that has a bunch of VP’s that in other companies might be Lead or Manager. Folks know about this.

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Anonymous wrote:Math major from Williams. DS is making 110K in his first job out. Considering applying already, because he thinks he's underpaid. Everyone he knows has a job or is in grad school.

I don’t know anyone who doesn’t have a job from a top tier school.

you're really annoying to make it sound like you know everything and everyone. I have a 2025 grad from a top school and he hasn't found a job yet. There, you know one. Oh and he has several friends and classmates that also do not. There you know more. So now stop trying to make everyone believe you are all knowing.

What do you consider a top school?

my unemployed kid went to a top 25 school and was a public policy/foreign affairs major. Tons of great internships and connections. No job yet.

My kid is “third year” now, and declared the same major/minor combo. Also a foreign language major. They better get their rear in gear to land an internship this summer. Did your kid do any ECs while on campus/grounds?

Anonymous wrote:2025 grad parent here. Kid graduated with a BS in accounting from a state school most on here would turn there noses up at. They hustled for an internship last year and got a full time offer upon graduation. They are paying for them to study for CPA exam (just sat for the first exam this week.) Also have a 2023 engineering grad who has been fully employed since graduation. Jobs are out there.

Glad to hear this!

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Anonymous wrote:CS was so dumb to welcome AI, which ended up destroying them. At least law and medicine were, for a long time, highly regulated and created artificial scarcity.

My first job was 25 years ago, and i made $50k out of college WITH JUST AN ART DEGREE. My own child is terrified to graduate next year with an engineering degree from a top ten. They're looking at working abroad.

not AI, it is H1B and OPT destroying CS jobs for US graduates.

Yup. And outsourcing entry level jobs.

2025 grad parent here. Kid graduated with a BS in accounting from a state school most on here would turn there noses up at. They hustled for an internship last year and got a full time offer upon graduation. They are paying for them to study for CPA exam (just sat for the first exam this week.) Also have a 2023 engineering grad who has been fully employed since graduation. Jobs are out there.

Anonymous wrote:CS was so dumb to welcome AI, which ended up destroying them. At least law and medicine were, for a long time, highly regulated and created artificial scarcity.

My first job was 25 years ago, and i made $50k out of college WITH JUST AN ART DEGREE. My own child is terrified to graduate next year with an engineering degree from a top ten. They're looking at working abroad.

not AI, it is H1B and OPT destroying CS jobs for US graduates.

Anonymous wrote:Anyone’s kids getting a good job? What did they do? Job market for new grads seems really bad.

and your own government is pushing programs that help corporations hire cheap foreign labor instead of US grads.

time to repeal the OPT program. call your political representatives.

The troubling fact is that the OPT program was created entirely through regulation with no authorization from Congress whatsoever. It has been going on for so long, that many people assume that Congress authorized OPT when in fact, Congress has explicitly changed the law to prohibit it.

Here is a history of how OPT came about. In reading this history, keep in mind that the regulations described here employ the euphemism "practical training" to refer to work.

In 2007, Microsoft concocted a scheme to use OPT as a means to circumvent the H-1B quotas. Microsoft's plan was to extend the duration of OPT from a year to 29-months, so that the duration would be sufficient to serve as a guestworker program, rather than just an internship-type program. Microsoft proposed this scheme to the Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff at a dinner party at the home of the owner of the Washington Nationals baseball team. (See pp. 229-230 in the book Sold Out.) From there, DHS worked in absolute secrecy with industry lobbyists to craft regulations implementing Microsoft's plan.

In a classic example of Washington cronyism, the first notice that DHS was even considering such regulations came when they were promulgated as a fait accompli, without notice and comment, on April 8, 2008 (73 Fed. Reg. 18,944). These regulations made three major expansions to OPT. First, they allowed aliens to remain in student visa status while they were unemployed so they could look for work. Second, they allowed aliens working under OPT to remain in student visa status from the time an H-1B petition was filed on their behalf until a final decision was made on the petition or the start date. This adds a maximum of 6 months to the OPT duration. Finally, they authorized a 17-month work period for aliens with degrees in fields DHS designates at Science/Technology/Engineering/Mathematics (STEM). This gave a maximum OPT duration of 35 months.

The OPT program has been the subject of continuous litigation since then where, after nearly a decade, the federal courts have been unable to come to a decision on whether it is lawful. However in 2015, the D.C. District Court held that the 2008 OPT regulations had been promulgated unlawfully without notice and comment. In response to this opinion, DHS promulgated new regulations that did the same as the old regulations except that they expanded the STEM work period from 17 months to 24 months, giving a maximum OPT work period of 42 months (24+12+6).

OPT is an example of the administrative state run amok. Instead of law coming from Congress, we have law coming from bureaucrats working hand-in-hand with lobbyists. OPT also illustrates the slippery-slope problem of regulation. Work on student visas started innocently as an integral part of a course of study to give foreign students an experience not available in their home country, but eventually was transformed into a full-blown guestworker program whose stated purpose is to provide labor to American business.

https://cis.org/Report/History-Optional-Practical-Training-Guestworker-Program

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Anonymous wrote:My 2024 grad got a job b4- accounting, interned summer of 2023 and got return offer. This summer the firm was much more selective with return offers. my 2026 grad just received a return offer from his summer internship, engineering major. Tell your college students to take the fall career fairs seriously! Both of my kids and most of their friends got their internships at college career fairs. The internship is the key to job offers.

My son is starting his junior year of college next week. I’ve given him this advice throughout the summer. 🤞

Make sure they are prepared, go to the career workshops before the career fairs, have resumes done and have appropriate Clothing to wear. They should also reach target employers so they have something to discuss with recruiters.

I’ve mentioned all of the above. He’s very relaxed and not stressed and it’s frustrating truthfully. But he knows what the economy is like so maybe he’ll step up into the game. I told him to treat his internship applications like a class this semester; sit down a few times a week and just do it.

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Anonymous wrote:We’re a normal family with normal kids that go to normal schools. It’s a tough market and many people are struggling to find a job. DS is an engineering major and is still looking for a position after to applying to 100+ places. Carnegie Mellon CS grads aren’t an honest reflection of the economy.

Indeed, I’m the PP with the kid working at Whole Foods. My kid went to a good school, but not an amazing school and did internships but not at the kind of places where you really need to know someone important. That said, my kid also has a really great attitude about the whole situation because most of their friends are in the same boat. They’re all working in jobs that get their bills paid while they look for the jobs they want, and they’re not just sitting around waiting for life to hand them something.

Holy cow. What college did your kid go to? This is why I'm always confused as to why non-1% families (or families that don't have a lot of generational wealth or a trust fund set up for their kids) let their children burn $200k on an English degree from Vassar (to take an example from my next door neighbor). Like seriously, what is even going through your head? Your kid would've been WAY better off doing engineering at VA Tech.

Also, major YIKES at the fact that most of your kid's college friends are just "working in jobs that get their bills paid while they look for the jobs they want, and they’re not just sitting around waiting for life to hand them something" -- is this what really happens when you major in the humanities at a SLAC? Ridiculous. At least if your kid was an English major at a school like Stanford, they'd be able to leverage that into a consulting gig at BCG or whatnot.

English at Vassar to engineering at VT is a ridiculous jump. They probably would end up doing English at VT and have similar if not worse outcomes.

Holy smokes. What a stupid post. People who do English at Vassar likely end up making way more than people who do engineering at VT. Law school, anyone? I did English at a SLAC and the. Law school and I have consistently made over $1M per year for about 15 years. Take that Mr engineer.

According to Forbes, Average alumni salary at VT is higher than Vassar 10 years post grad; and VT is disadvantaged by being a much larger school.

It actually doesn’t track that the more prestigious your degree the more you get paid. Your major has a much more massive impact on lifetime earnings.

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Anonymous wrote:We’re a normal family with normal kids that go to normal schools. It’s a tough market and many people are struggling to find a job. DS is an engineering major and is still looking for a position after to applying to 100+ places. Carnegie Mellon CS grads aren’t an honest reflection of the economy.

Indeed, I’m the PP with the kid working at Whole Foods. My kid went to a good school, but not an amazing school and did internships but not at the kind of places where you really need to know someone important. That said, my kid also has a really great attitude about the whole situation because most of their friends are in the same boat. They’re all working in jobs that get their bills paid while they look for the jobs they want, and they’re not just sitting around waiting for life to hand them something.

Holy cow. What college did your kid go to? This is why I'm always confused as to why non-1% families (or families that don't have a lot of generational wealth or a trust fund set up for their kids) let their children burn $200k on an English degree from Vassar (to take an example from my next door neighbor). Like seriously, what is even going through your head? Your kid would've been WAY better off doing engineering at VA Tech.

Also, major YIKES at the fact that most of your kid's college friends are just "working in jobs that get their bills paid while they look for the jobs they want, and they’re not just sitting around waiting for life to hand them something" -- is this what really happens when you major in the humanities at a SLAC? Ridiculous. At least if your kid was an English major at a school like Stanford, they'd be able to leverage that into a consulting gig at BCG or whatnot.

English at Vassar to engineering at VT is a ridiculous jump. They probably would end up doing English at VT and have similar if not worse outcomes.

Holy smokes. What a stupid post. People who do English at Vassar likely end up making way more than people who do engineering at VT. Law school, anyone? I did English at a SLAC and the. Law school and I have consistently made over $1M per year for about 15 years. Take that Mr engineer.

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Anonymous wrote:My 2024 grad got a job b4- accounting, interned summer of 2023 and got return offer. This summer the firm was much more selective with return offers. my 2026 grad just received a return offer from his summer internship, engineering major. Tell your college students to take the fall career fairs seriously! Both of my kids and most of their friends got their internships at college career fairs. The internship is the key to job offers.

My son is starting his junior year of college next week. I’ve given him this advice throughout the summer. 🤞

Make sure they are prepared, go to the career workshops before the career fairs, have resumes done and have appropriate Clothing to wear. They should also reach target employers so they have something to discuss with recruiters.

Anonymous wrote:Proud Bucknell parent here. DS got a great job matching trade tickets for Blackrock ETFs after school. After 3 years they might promote him to reconciliations. He got 3 of his lax teammates hired into the dept as well! The Bucknell street pipeline at work!

It’s not the Buckner effect, it’s being a lax bro that helps.