Why pay an application fee to a school that you are unlikely to be accepted to?

We told our kids that they needed to go in state to keep costs to an acceptable level. They both graduated debt free and they are both employed which was the whole purpose of their college education in the first place.

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Anonymous wrote:Some people have claimed that there is a "snobby" atmosphere at UVA. That's not due to more affluent peers. It's simply due to the attitude of many students (and their parents). I've never quite understood where that attitude comes from, as the student body is largely the same as one would find at any state school. It's not a rarefied private. However, the students and parents seem to have this idea that it is. That's the part that turned us off. My kids wanted to go to a school with kids who didn't have a chip on their shoulder and who were (by and large) down to earth.

Ha. If they went to an Ivy or private SLAC or Georgetown, etc.,,,,then they would see true wealth. Private jets, etc. Why are they snobby at UVA? I think that’s what turns people off. This oversized attitude for a state school.

There are a lot of very wealthy OOS kids at UVA. Then there’s the astronomical wealth in surrounding Albemarle County. It sets the tone.

And that’s nothing compared to the West coast, Greenwich, NYC, international, Hollywood, royalty etc wealth seen at Ivies/T10s/Georgetown, etc. Albemarle county is nothing. lol

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Anonymous wrote:Some people have claimed that there is a "snobby" atmosphere at UVA. That's not due to more affluent peers. It's simply due to the attitude of many students (and their parents). I've never quite understood where that attitude comes from, as the student body is largely the same as one would find at any state school. It's not a rarefied private. However, the students and parents seem to have this idea that it is. That's the part that turned us off. My kids wanted to go to a school with kids who didn't have a chip on their shoulder and who were (by and large) down to earth.

Ha. If they went to an Ivy or private SLAC or Georgetown, etc.,,,,then they would see true wealth. Private jets, etc. Why are they snobby at UVA? I think that’s what turns people off. This oversized attitude for a state school.

There are a lot of very wealthy OOS kids at UVA. Then there’s the astronomical wealth in surrounding Albemarle County. It sets the tone.

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Anonymous wrote:Because the image of white nationalists carrying torches is still on the mind of some people.

Why were they there again? Because they voted to take down the confederate statues in Charlottesville.

The white nationalists don't live in Charlottesville and they probably aren't going back now that the statues are gone.

This. The white nationalists were outsiders and met by counter-protesters from Charlottesville.

^8-22% is total inclusive of the 2021-2025 grad years, not each year..as another poster noted some years there were none at many

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Anonymous wrote:It's such a prestigious school and a great, affordable education IF you can get in in-state. Why wouldn't every VA res shoot their shot ED unless they're hell bent on spending more money?

Ivies/T10/williams/amherst are better by a significant margin (peer group, undergrad resources, outcomes including carrer and grad/professional school) and most give better aid /have lower cost of attendance than UVA for the 180-250k HHI families. For top students UVA is a backup. UVA has admitted 99% of students who applied from the top 10% of our high school and 78% in the top 20%, years 2021-2025. It is a backup, a great backup as a T25 overall and T5public, but a backup nonetheless. Some at top strongly prefer William and Mary and do not apply to UVA. W&M is their backup to Ivies/WASP.

For a meaningful comparison, what is the admit rate for top 10% wrt Ivies/T10/williams/amherst?

8%-22% depending on the specific school, and on ED vs not, as well as exact GPA: there is clearly a higher percentage green checks for the GPAs at the very top val/sal range. Some of the top 10% ivy admits are hooked--about 1/4 in that group for those cycles were legacy/URM and most of the '21-25 years URM was a big hook. Recruited athletes are never from the top 10% for top schools, nor UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:Some people have claimed that there is a "snobby" atmosphere at UVA. That's not due to more affluent peers. It's simply due to the attitude of many students (and their parents). I've never quite understood where that attitude comes from, as the student body is largely the same as one would find at any state school. It's not a rarefied private. However, the students and parents seem to have this idea that it is. That's the part that turned us off. My kids wanted to go to a school with kids who didn't have a chip on their shoulder and who were (by and large) down to earth.

Ha. If they went to an Ivy or private SLAC or Georgetown, etc.,,,,then they would see true wealth. Private jets, etc. Why are they snobby at UVA? I think that’s what turns people off. This oversized attitude for a state school.

While it is true about extreme wealth pockets at ivies, as we have two at different ivies, the corollary is that there is also more racial diversity and a higher percent of pell-grant recipients/low income, compared to UVA. Overall UVA does give a white-preppy cliquey aura that is not at ivies. Some seems to be the high percentage of NOVA and Central VA parents who all know each other and go to grounds various football weekends in groups. Ivies are not like that because the students come from all over the US and world.

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Anonymous wrote:It's such a prestigious school and a great, affordable education IF you can get in in-state. Why wouldn't every VA res shoot their shot ED unless they're hell bent on spending more money?

Ivies/T10/williams/amherst are better by a significant margin (peer group, undergrad resources, outcomes including carrer and grad/professional school) and most give better aid /have lower cost of attendance than UVA for the 180-250k HHI families. For top students UVA is a backup. UVA has admitted 99% of students who applied from the top 10% of our high school and 78% in the top 20%, years 2021-2025. It is a backup, a great backup as a T25 overall and T5public, but a backup nonetheless. Some at top strongly prefer William and Mary and do not apply to UVA. W&M is their backup to Ivies/WASP.

For a meaningful comparison, what is the admit rate for top 10% wrt Ivies/T10/williams/amherst?

Some years are NoVA HS has zero admits to some of the Ivies, out of 700 students. So, yes, the kid admitted from year to year is top 1% of class.

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Anonymous wrote:Some people have claimed that there is a "snobby" atmosphere at UVA. That's not due to more affluent peers. It's simply due to the attitude of many students (and their parents). I've never quite understood where that attitude comes from, as the student body is largely the same as one would find at any state school. It's not a rarefied private. However, the students and parents seem to have this idea that it is. That's the part that turned us off. My kids wanted to go to a school with kids who didn't have a chip on their shoulder and who were (by and large) down to earth.

Ha. If they went to an Ivy or private SLAC or Georgetown, etc.,,,,then they would see true wealth. Private jets, etc. Why are they snobby at UVA? I think that’s what turns people off. This oversized attitude for a state school.

While it is true about extreme wealth pockets at ivies, as we have two at different ivies, the corollary is that there is also more racial diversity and a higher percent of pell-grant recipients/low income, compared to UVA. Overall UVA does give a white-preppy cliquey aura that is not at ivies. Some seems to be the high percentage of NOVA and Central VA parents who all know each other and go to grounds various football weekends in groups. Ivies are not like that because the students come from all over the US and world.

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Anonymous wrote:It's such a prestigious school and a great, affordable education IF you can get in in-state. Why wouldn't every VA res shoot their shot ED unless they're hell bent on spending more money?

Ivies/T10/williams/amherst are better by a significant margin (peer group, undergrad resources, outcomes including carrer and grad/professional school) and most give better aid /have lower cost of attendance than UVA for the 180-250k HHI families. For top students UVA is a backup. UVA has admitted 99% of students who applied from the top 10% of our high school and 78% in the top 20%, years 2021-2025. It is a backup, a great backup as a T25 overall and T5public, but a backup nonetheless. Some at top strongly prefer William and Mary and do not apply to UVA. W&M is their backup to Ivies/WASP.

For a meaningful comparison, what is the admit rate for top 10% wrt Ivies/T10/williams/amherst?

Anonymous wrote:It's such a prestigious school and a great, affordable education IF you can get in in-state. Why wouldn't every VA res shoot their shot ED unless they're hell bent on spending more money?

Ivies/T10/williams/amherst are better by a significant margin (peer group, undergrad resources, outcomes including carrer and grad/professional school) and most give better aid /have lower cost of attendance than UVA for the 180-250k HHI families. For top students UVA is a backup. UVA has admitted 99% of students who applied from the top 10% of our high school and 78% in the top 20%, years 2021-2025. It is a backup, a great backup as a T25 overall and T5public, but a backup nonetheless. Some at top strongly prefer William and Mary and do not apply to UVA. W&M is their backup to Ivies/WASP.

Anonymous wrote:Some people have claimed that there is a "snobby" atmosphere at UVA. That's not due to more affluent peers. It's simply due to the attitude of many students (and their parents). I've never quite understood where that attitude comes from, as the student body is largely the same as one would find at any state school. It's not a rarefied private. However, the students and parents seem to have this idea that it is. That's the part that turned us off. My kids wanted to go to a school with kids who didn't have a chip on their shoulder and who were (by and large) down to earth.

Ha. If they went to an Ivy or private SLAC or Georgetown, etc.,,,,then they would see true wealth. Private jets, etc. Why are they snobby at UVA? I think that’s what turns people off. This oversized attitude for a state school.

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Anonymous wrote:And of those 100, how many did she actually know? And of 17,000 students the chances of seeing anyone on a regular basis is small unless you want to. It's ok to not want to go to UVA, but that's a very weak reason.

Agree….when people say this, I always crack up. My kid had 10 other students from his high school going to UVA out of NOVA. They all run in completely different friend groups….and never see each other. My kid has met students from all over the globe being at UVA….definitely not “high school “ repeat.

We went for a visit and we ran into so many kids from high school, from various sports teams, etc. Then, if we didn’t actually know them - pretty much every kid was from Loudoun, Fairfax co or Arlington. The few offshoots were Long Islanders. At my other kid’s private, there are very few from VA. Kids are from all over the world. VA isn’t even widely represented and the school is 7 hours away which is “new”. I think people don’t necessarily use that phrase to mean it is everyone from their same HS- rather a feeling.

Anonymous wrote:And of those 100, how many did she actually know? And of 17,000 students the chances of seeing anyone on a regular basis is small unless you want to. It's ok to not want to go to UVA, but that's a very weak reason.

Agree….when people say this, I always crack up. My kid had 10 other students from his high school going to UVA out of NOVA. They all run in completely different friend groups….and never see each other. My kid has met students from all over the globe being at UVA….definitely not “high school “ repeat.