Anonymous
Post 07/18/2025 04:48     Subject: This surrogacy stuff is getting out of hand
Anonymous wrote:No Different than the Duggars, Sister Wives, Plathville people etc.
Quivers, Qannon, large Catholic Opus Dei families


This has nothing to do with surrogacy.


+1

Anonymous
Post 07/18/2025 00:58     Subject: Re:This surrogacy stuff is getting out of hand
I am old enough to still remember the Baby M case.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2025 00:23     Subject: This surrogacy stuff is getting out of hand
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Surrogacy is good. Trafficking is bad. Stop saying one inevitably leads to the other. This situation is terrible, but should not make us fear surrogacy. It should make us regulate that activity so that it's safer for all involved.


Surrogacy is absolutely bad. Come on. We don’t allow newborn puppies to be torn from their mothers because we know it’s cruel. But we do it to babies.


Are we outlawing adoption too?


Adoption is regulated.


It’s regulated at the state level


Adoption appears highly regulated, judging from experiences of coworkers and friends of ours in MD, VA, and D.C., who have had to navigate the complex and lengthy process required before an adoption is allowed here.

Are there any comparable prerequisites for private surrogacy ?


Adoption is not highly regulated and lots of work around. The home study is very basic.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2025 23:51     Subject: This surrogacy stuff is getting out of hand
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They really need to start regulating this more. It’s like the Wild West.

“A Southern California couple has been charged with child endangerment and neglect after more than 20 children were removed from their home in Arcadia, most of whom were born to surrogate mothers, according to police.

The children ranged in age from two-months to 13-years-old, but most were between one-year and three-years-old, the Arcadia Police Department said.”

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/losangeles/news/arcadia-surrogate-children-seized-child-endangerment-neglect/


I saw the headline but didn't have time to read the article this morning but thought it made no sense, how would someone have 20 surrogate babies? I thought they were some go-between but why would people having children that way not get the child right away?

It's still nuts after reading it.


They had 20 babies so they could traffic them. That is why. I don’t know if it was for their organs or for prostitution and child sex abuse, but it was clearly for trafficking.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2025 23:49     Subject: Re:This surrogacy stuff is getting out of hand
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just remember, if you are in favor of commercial surrogacy, you are in favor of this:

https://ktla.com/news/california/surrogate-of-stillborn-baby-says-california-couple-abandoned-her/amp/


Just remember, before you ever speak again, that you're a total idiot.


Lashing out with name-calling when confronted with the truth of what you support just persuades us that you do support what happened here.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2025 23:43     Subject: This surrogacy stuff is getting out of hand
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This sounds more like a trafficking issue than a surrogacy issue.


But our lax surrogacy laws made it possible.

I believe surrogacy should void against public policy with narrow exceptions, like a family member carrying for a couple. Yes, I realize that leaves some people out of parenthood, but IMO the risk for exploitation or women and children outweighs that interest.


I couldn’t agree more!
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2025 15:19     Subject: This surrogacy stuff is getting out of hand
Anonymous wrote:They really need to start regulating this more. It’s like the Wild West.

“A Southern California couple has been charged with child endangerment and neglect after more than 20 children were removed from their home in Arcadia, most of whom were born to surrogate mothers, according to police.

The children ranged in age from two-months to 13-years-old, but most were between one-year and three-years-old, the Arcadia Police Department said.”

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/losangeles/news/arcadia-surrogate-children-seized-child-endangerment-neglect/



This couple is obviously receiving a massive inflow of money in order to obtain these children.

Who is paying for this operation, and what is the profit motive here?
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2025 14:42     Subject: This surrogacy stuff is getting out of hand
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Where pro-life people stand on paid surrogacy?


Europe bans surrogacy entirely. But they fully support choice.


Only up to 14 weeks in most euro countries.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2025 14:40     Subject: This surrogacy stuff is getting out of hand
Anonymous wrote:This sounds more like a trafficking issue than a surrogacy issue.


But our lax surrogacy laws made it possible.

I believe surrogacy should void against public policy with narrow exceptions, like a family member carrying for a couple. Yes, I realize that leaves some people out of parenthood, but IMO the risk for exploitation or women and children outweighs that interest.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2025 14:39     Subject: This surrogacy stuff is getting out of hand
Anonymous wrote:Where pro-life people stand on paid surrogacy?


Europe bans surrogacy entirely. But they fully support choice.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2025 12:51     Subject: This surrogacy stuff is getting out of hand
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Surrogacy is good. Trafficking is bad. Stop saying one inevitably leads to the other. This situation is terrible, but should not make us fear surrogacy. It should make us regulate that activity so that it's safer for all involved.


Surrogacy is absolutely bad. Come on. We don’t allow newborn puppies to be torn from their mothers because we know it’s cruel. But we do it to babies.


Are we outlawing adoption too?


Adoption is regulated.


It’s regulated at the state level


Adoption appears highly regulated, judging from experiences of coworkers and friends of ours in MD, VA, and D.C., who have had to navigate the complex and lengthy process required before an adoption is allowed here.

Are there any comparable prerequisites for private surrogacy ?


It depends on the state.

There is so much baby selling in adoptions certain countries refuse to let Americans adopt from those countries... Guatemala

Also, there are some states in the US that have laws so strict it's essentially illegal to have surrogacy... like Michigan.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2025 12:10     Subject: This surrogacy stuff is getting out of hand
Anonymous wrote:Where pro-life people stand on paid surrogacy?


Almost all vehemently oppose it.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2025 12:09     Subject: This surrogacy stuff is getting out of hand
Where pro-life people stand on paid surrogacy?
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2025 12:07     Subject: This surrogacy stuff is getting out of hand
We should make it easier to adopt children and make it difficult to get a surrogate. Only one surrogacy should be allowed and must be on medical reasons and through unpaid volunteers like blood or organ donations.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2025 12:01     Subject: Re:This surrogacy stuff is getting out of hand
Anonymous wrote:Looked into “private surrogacy” a bit.

It appears “private surrogacy” is completely unregulated and legal in many states.

Even google AI kept using terms like “ lawyer highly recommended,” or “it is crucial - though not required - to do background investigation” etc.

Reading between the lines: private surrogacy has NO legal prerequisites in many states.

Jeffrey Epstein could have bought a bunch of surrogate babies had he wanted to. Maybe he did.


OMG.