Anonymous wrote:Not maternity leave, but I do wish sabbaticals were more normalized, even unpaid. I've worked some really awful jobs and experienced terrible burnout and at some point feared the only break I would get would end up being medical. It would be great if every couple years (5? Open for discussion) we could take a 3 month break. Its depressing we can go most of our adult lives with no downtime more than a week or two.

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Anonymous wrote:Peri needs are just as legitimate but should be within a broader mental health category. I actually took a permanent step back at work bc of peri since my work has no good options for my situation and no possibility of a real long vacation.

They are not, and you know it.

Right, that’s what I am saying…

NP. Under what authority do you proclaim your expertise about perimenopause and its possible affects on health and wellbeing or lack thereof?

I don’t think anyone needs to explain to you that “peri” is not the same as childbirth and caring for a newborn.

Childcare is hard but the physical movement, standing up, carrying child are good for you. No one has gotten high LDL or blood sugar from running after kids. But sedatory office workers die from heart attack all the time.

So do some exercise and eat better.

and sure, tell those working moms of infants how good it is for them 😂

Hey this is not the suffering Olympics. You don’t need to minimize what someone else is going through just to be an ass.

Childbirth, recovery and caring for infants is exhausting, but it is of a limited duration of time.

Perimenopause can last years and be awful. For some people it’s a breeze, for others it is horrific. Spending hours each day commuting and sitting at a desk has a cumulative negative impact on health that is very serious if unaddressed.

After RTO I am out of the house about 12 hours a day. I need 9 hours of sleep to function well. That leaves me with 3 hours a day to do absolutely everything else including the care of my children. I do my best to eat well but where am I supposed to get in a workout? Throw in peri/menopause. I am white but now I see firsthand why so many WOC die young of strokes and such. RTO is sending us back 50 years.

Perimenopause is not even close to the rigors of childbirth.

Agreed. No one dies from peri. Women die in childbirth all the time.

I think the idea that perimenopause automatically qualifies you for "maternity leave" is absurd. Women (and men) should have access to FMLA for medical issues, including those that come from peri.

But this statement that "no one dies from peri" is false. Women's risk of cardiac issues goes up dramatically with peri, and women definitely die from those issues.

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Anonymous wrote:Peri needs are just as legitimate but should be within a broader mental health category. I actually took a permanent step back at work bc of peri since my work has no good options for my situation and no possibility of a real long vacation.

They are not, and you know it.

Right, that’s what I am saying…

NP. Under what authority do you proclaim your expertise about perimenopause and its possible affects on health and wellbeing or lack thereof?

I don’t think anyone needs to explain to you that “peri” is not the same as childbirth and caring for a newborn.

Childcare is hard but the physical movement, standing up, carrying child are good for you. No one has gotten high LDL or blood sugar from running after kids. But sedatory office workers die from heart attack all the time.

So do some exercise and eat better.

and sure, tell those working moms of infants how good it is for them 😂

Hey this is not the suffering Olympics. You don’t need to minimize what someone else is going through just to be an ass.

Childbirth, recovery and caring for infants is exhausting, but it is of a limited duration of time.

Perimenopause can last years and be awful. For some people it’s a breeze, for others it is horrific. Spending hours each day commuting and sitting at a desk has a cumulative negative impact on health that is very serious if unaddressed.

After RTO I am out of the house about 12 hours a day. I need 9 hours of sleep to function well. That leaves me with 3 hours a day to do absolutely everything else including the care of my children. I do my best to eat well but where am I supposed to get in a workout? Throw in peri/menopause. I am white but now I see firsthand why so many WOC die young of strokes and such. RTO is sending us back 50 years.

Perimenopause is not even close to the rigors of childbirth.

Agreed. No one dies from peri. Women die in childbirth all the time.

That’s not why there’s maternity leave.

Maternity leave is to recover from childbirth. There is no such thing as recovering from peri. Don't be obtuse.

I say this as someone who is currently going through peri. While it's difficult, there is no comparison to childbirth.

Anonymous wrote:Compared to my male co-workers, the women in my office carry most of the mental load and do all of the emotional labor. This increased stress recently caused me to snap at the office and I started crying in front of some of my direct reports. I don't have children but could really use a 90 day break to fully refresh. I think all women should get something similar to maternity leave, even if they don't have kids. How can I go about making this a policy in my office ?

Anonymous wrote:Compared to my male co-workers, the women in my office carry most of the mental load and do all of the emotional labor. This increased stress recently caused me to snap at the office and I started crying in front of some of my direct reports. I don't have children but could really use a 90 day break to fully refresh. I think all women should get something similar to maternity leave, even if they don't have kids. How can I go about making this a policy in my office ?

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Anonymous wrote:Peri needs are just as legitimate but should be within a broader mental health category. I actually took a permanent step back at work bc of peri since my work has no good options for my situation and no possibility of a real long vacation.

“Peri needs” are not a thing. Stop it.

The affect of hormones during peri was much worse for me than during and after pregnancy. Rage, fatigue, weepiness, aches/pains, etc made me feel like another person.

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Anonymous wrote:Peri needs are just as legitimate but should be within a broader mental health category. I actually took a permanent step back at work bc of peri since my work has no good options for my situation and no possibility of a real long vacation.

They are not, and you know it.

Right, that’s what I am saying…

NP. Under what authority do you proclaim your expertise about perimenopause and its possible affects on health and wellbeing or lack thereof?

I don’t think anyone needs to explain to you that “peri” is not the same as childbirth and caring for a newborn.

Childcare is hard but the physical movement, standing up, carrying child are good for you. No one has gotten high LDL or blood sugar from running after kids. But sedatory office workers die from heart attack all the time.

So do some exercise and eat better.

and sure, tell those working moms of infants how good it is for them 😂

Hey this is not the suffering Olympics. You don’t need to minimize what someone else is going through just to be an ass.

Childbirth, recovery and caring for infants is exhausting, but it is of a limited duration of time.

Perimenopause can last years and be awful. For some people it’s a breeze, for others it is horrific. Spending hours each day commuting and sitting at a desk has a cumulative negative impact on health that is very serious if unaddressed.

After RTO I am out of the house about 12 hours a day. I need 9 hours of sleep to function well. That leaves me with 3 hours a day to do absolutely everything else including the care of my children. I do my best to eat well but where am I supposed to get in a workout? Throw in peri/menopause. I am white but now I see firsthand why so many WOC die young of strokes and such. RTO is sending us back 50 years.

Perimenopause is not even close to the rigors of childbirth.

Agreed. No one dies from peri. Women die in childbirth all the time.

I think the idea that perimenopause automatically qualifies you for "maternity leave" is absurd. Women (and men) should have access to FMLA for medical issues, including those that come from peri.

But this statement that "no one dies from peri" is false. Women's risk of cardiac issues goes up dramatically with peri, and women definitely die from those issues.

Anonymous wrote:It’s called short term disability. Maternity leave is for mothers (though often we have to take STD).

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Anonymous wrote:Peri needs are just as legitimate but should be within a broader mental health category. I actually took a permanent step back at work bc of peri since my work has no good options for my situation and no possibility of a real long vacation.

“Peri needs” are not a thing. Stop it.

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Anonymous wrote:Maternity leave isn’t about “refreshing” OP … it’s about recovering from childbirth and caring for a newborn.

If you are having a mental health crisis you can ask for leave. I have a single friend who did this recently.

Agree pp. Op, grow up and take leave. What's wrong with you that you think women on maternity leave are "taking a break" or refreshing themselves. This pisses me off.

Anonymous wrote:Maternity leave isn’t about “refreshing” OP … it’s about recovering from childbirth and caring for a newborn.

If you are having a mental health crisis you can ask for leave. I have a single friend who did this recently.

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Anonymous wrote:Peri needs are just as legitimate but should be within a broader mental health category. I actually took a permanent step back at work bc of peri since my work has no good options for my situation and no possibility of a real long vacation.

They are not, and you know it.

Right, that’s what I am saying…

NP. Under what authority do you proclaim your expertise about perimenopause and its possible affects on health and wellbeing or lack thereof?

I don’t think anyone needs to explain to you that “peri” is not the same as childbirth and caring for a newborn.

Childcare is hard but the physical movement, standing up, carrying child are good for you. No one has gotten high LDL or blood sugar from running after kids. But sedatory office workers die from heart attack all the time.

So do some exercise and eat better.

and sure, tell those working moms of infants how good it is for them 😂

Hey this is not the suffering Olympics. You don’t need to minimize what someone else is going through just to be an ass.

Childbirth, recovery and caring for infants is exhausting, but it is of a limited duration of time.

Perimenopause can last years and be awful. For some people it’s a breeze, for others it is horrific. Spending hours each day commuting and sitting at a desk has a cumulative negative impact on health that is very serious if unaddressed.

After RTO I am out of the house about 12 hours a day. I need 9 hours of sleep to function well. That leaves me with 3 hours a day to do absolutely everything else including the care of my children. I do my best to eat well but where am I supposed to get in a workout? Throw in peri/menopause. I am white but now I see firsthand why so many WOC die young of strokes and such. RTO is sending us back 50 years.

Perimenopause is not even close to the rigors of childbirth.

Agreed. No one dies from peri. Women die in childbirth all the time.

I think the idea that perimenopause automatically qualifies you for "maternity leave" is absurd. Women (and men) should have access to FMLA for medical issues, including those that come from peri.

But this statement that "no one dies from peri" is false. Women's risk of cardiac issues goes up dramatically with peri, and women definitely die from those issues.

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Anonymous wrote:Peri needs are just as legitimate but should be within a broader mental health category. I actually took a permanent step back at work bc of peri since my work has no good options for my situation and no possibility of a real long vacation.

They are not, and you know it.

Right, that’s what I am saying…

NP. Under what authority do you proclaim your expertise about perimenopause and its possible affects on health and wellbeing or lack thereof?

I don’t think anyone needs to explain to you that “peri” is not the same as childbirth and caring for a newborn.

Childcare is hard but the physical movement, standing up, carrying child are good for you. No one has gotten high LDL or blood sugar from running after kids. But sedatory office workers die from heart attack all the time.

So do some exercise and eat better.

and sure, tell those working moms of infants how good it is for them 😂

Hey this is not the suffering Olympics. You don’t need to minimize what someone else is going through just to be an ass.

Childbirth, recovery and caring for infants is exhausting, but it is of a limited duration of time.

Perimenopause can last years and be awful. For some people it’s a breeze, for others it is horrific. Spending hours each day commuting and sitting at a desk has a cumulative negative impact on health that is very serious if unaddressed.

After RTO I am out of the house about 12 hours a day. I need 9 hours of sleep to function well. That leaves me with 3 hours a day to do absolutely everything else including the care of my children. I do my best to eat well but where am I supposed to get in a workout? Throw in peri/menopause. I am white but now I see firsthand why so many WOC die young of strokes and such. RTO is sending us back 50 years.

Perimenopause is not even close to the rigors of childbirth.

Agreed. No one dies from peri. Women die in childbirth all the time.