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Anonymous wrote:Breaking up concrete in the city to give them blocks to throw at law enforcement.

This is setting up ICE to ignore due process when they ramp up. Right now they are focusing a lot on people with final removal orders, who have no more due process to get.

With all this violence, they will have the excuse to just ignore immigration court process and any claims people want to make about torture or credible fear.

They were already ignoring due process, which is why people are angry. ICE started this.

ICE are federal workers.

Do you support federal workers? (I do).

Can they show credentials...all federal workers have them. I support Americans rights and freedoms we have the right to ask these "agents" for their identification. If you don't like this maybe Russia is the place for you.

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The conservative in me thinks addressing this issue (deporting them) would lead to higher wages and better benefits in the ag sector, which attracts more domestic workers to work in ag. It also would increase investment in mechanization and automation. There will be a time of higher costs increased food prices but when things settle, they should stabilize.

However, on a broader level, I find this entire situation absurd. The United States has become far too reliant on migrant labor, having half of the agricultural workforce undocumented. We need to ask ourselves why this is the case. It ain’t because this is "work Americans won't do". It's entirely because, for over 40 years, corporations have been allowed to exploit cheap imported labor, keeping wages for these jobs disgustingly low sometimes even below the federal minimum wage.

There are plenty of Americans who would be willing to do this work, but not for $12 an hour under the sweltering sun of Texas. Offer $30 an hour plus benefits to harvest lettuce, and you would see plenty of people lining up for those jobs. The problem lies in the fact that neither Democrats nor Republicans have taken meaningful action for decades. BOTH sides have allowed "big ag" to exploit these workers, paying pennies per box harvested perpetuating this cycle of exploitation, and doing so in such a way that if it were to ever dare end, suddenly panic, omg, our foods gonna rot and we're all gonna die of starvation because we cant afford food! They have caught you in this line of thinking, so they will always get their cheap, exploitive labor.

In my opinion, the widespread abuse of migrant labor over the past four decades is a shameful stain on this country. But, just like iPhones and Nike shoes, most people turn a blind eye to the unethical labor practices behind the products they want, so long as the price is low. Just look at OPs post: concerns about "rotting crops" and "skyrocketing prices", and not a single care about the exploitation of these workers. This has been ignored for decades and now that there's a policy threatens to send them home, we just get all up in arms because we might have to pay more.

It’s almost like saying that an economy can’t survive without illegal & low or no cost labor to farm the land. You know who else used that argument????

The Confederacy during the Civil War. Let that sink in.

Let's not "both sides" this. The democrats have supported workers rights and unionization....remember Ceasar Chavez and how he was crucified by republicans?

The democratic party you are wistfully referring to no longer exists. Democrats are now the party of the overeducated elites who look down their noses at blue-collar workers, sneer at flyover country, and mock the middle class when they said they were struggling the last few years.

We see who you are, not the idolized version you like to believe you are.

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Why doesn't ICE go after the employers? If there are no jobs for these people they will not come here. Wouldn't that be easier?

Are these people making minimum wage? I would imagine that they are, but minimum wage is way too low and means nothing anymore. Whose fault is it that the minimum wage has not been increased?

Because neither Democrats nor Republicans would support this.

DCUM itself would erupt in rage to lose their cheap childcare, food delivery, gardeners, and maintenance men.

Anonymous wrote:Funny how everyone loved Antifa in 1944 when we stormed the beaches. Now maga would be planting trees so that the Nazis could march in the shade.

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Anonymous wrote:
The conservative in me thinks addressing this issue (deporting them) would lead to higher wages and better benefits in the ag sector, which attracts more domestic workers to work in ag. It also would increase investment in mechanization and automation. There will be a time of higher costs increased food prices but when things settle, they should stabilize.

However, on a broader level, I find this entire situation absurd. The United States has become far too reliant on migrant labor, having half of the agricultural workforce undocumented. We need to ask ourselves why this is the case. It ain’t because this is "work Americans won't do". It's entirely because, for over 40 years, corporations have been allowed to exploit cheap imported labor, keeping wages for these jobs disgustingly low sometimes even below the federal minimum wage.

There are plenty of Americans who would be willing to do this work, but not for $12 an hour under the sweltering sun of Texas. Offer $30 an hour plus benefits to harvest lettuce, and you would see plenty of people lining up for those jobs. The problem lies in the fact that neither Democrats nor Republicans have taken meaningful action for decades. BOTH sides have allowed "big ag" to exploit these workers, paying pennies per box harvested perpetuating this cycle of exploitation, and doing so in such a way that if it were to ever dare end, suddenly panic, omg, our foods gonna rot and we're all gonna die of starvation because we cant afford food! They have caught you in this line of thinking, so they will always get their cheap, exploitive labor.

In my opinion, the widespread abuse of migrant labor over the past four decades is a shameful stain on this country. But, just like iPhones and Nike shoes, most people turn a blind eye to the unethical labor practices behind the products they want, so long as the price is low. Just look at OPs post: concerns about "rotting crops" and "skyrocketing prices", and not a single care about the exploitation of these workers. This has been ignored for decades and now that there's a policy threatens to send them home, we just get all up in arms because we might have to pay more.

It’s almost like saying that an economy can’t survive without illegal & low or no cost labor to farm the land. You know who else used that argument????

The Confederacy during the Civil War. Let that sink in.

Let's not "both sides" this. The democrats have supported workers rights and unionization....remember Ceasar Chavez and how he was crucified by republicans?

The democratic party you are wistfully referring to no longer exists. Democrats are now the party of the overeducated elites who look down their noses at blue-collar workers, sneer at flyover country, and mock the middle class when they said they were struggling the last few years.

We see who you are, not the idolized version you like to believe you are.

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Anonymous wrote:I support federal workers. I am one, in fact.

No one has the right to assault, obstruct, or interfere with federal authorities carrying out their duties.

So when federal officers begin to arrest you, and you cry you’ve done nothing wrong, we won’t interfere. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The conservative in me thinks addressing this issue (deporting them) would lead to higher wages and better benefits in the ag sector, which attracts more domestic workers to work in ag. It also would increase investment in mechanization and automation. There will be a time of higher costs increased food prices but when things settle, they should stabilize.

However, on a broader level, I find this entire situation absurd. The United States has become far too reliant on migrant labor, having half of the agricultural workforce undocumented. We need to ask ourselves why this is the case. It ain’t because this is "work Americans won't do". It's entirely because, for over 40 years, corporations have been allowed to exploit cheap imported labor, keeping wages for these jobs disgustingly low sometimes even below the federal minimum wage.

There are plenty of Americans who would be willing to do this work, but not for $12 an hour under the sweltering sun of Texas. Offer $30 an hour plus benefits to harvest lettuce, and you would see plenty of people lining up for those jobs. The problem lies in the fact that neither Democrats nor Republicans have taken meaningful action for decades. BOTH sides have allowed "big ag" to exploit these workers, paying pennies per box harvested perpetuating this cycle of exploitation, and doing so in such a way that if it were to ever dare end, suddenly panic, omg, our foods gonna rot and we're all gonna die of starvation because we cant afford food! They have caught you in this line of thinking, so they will always get their cheap, exploitive labor.

In my opinion, the widespread abuse of migrant labor over the past four decades is a shameful stain on this country. But, just like iPhones and Nike shoes, most people turn a blind eye to the unethical labor practices behind the products they want, so long as the price is low. Just look at OPs post: concerns about "rotting crops" and "skyrocketing prices", and not a single care about the exploitation of these workers. This has been ignored for decades and now that there's a policy threatens to send them home, we just get all up in arms because we might have to pay more.

It’s almost like saying that an economy can’t survive without illegal & low or no cost labor to farm the land. You know who else used that argument????

The Confederacy during the Civil War. Let that sink in.

Let's not "both sides" this. The democrats have supported workers rights and unionization....remember Ceasar Chavez and how he was crucified by republicans?

It is of course both sides. And the issue for Democrats is that Democratic voters, particularly the UMC voters that post here, love their quasi-slave labor agriculture.

Also, Cesar Chavez’s activism occurred before I was born and I have a kid in college now. If you have to go back to Cesar Chavez to mount such a weak partisan defense, you should know you’ve lost.

“But if we deport illegal aliens, who will pick my organic, artisan strawberries?”

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Anonymous wrote:Hope anyone interfering with federal officers ends up arrested and charged with a crime.

+1

I support federal ICE workers.

If they are actual ICE....but who knows who is who right now.

As I’ve said before: there is a secret Russian plot to take over America. I’m not sure how Putin is doing it, but it’s obvious he’s controlling Trump somehow.

These masked ICE storm troopers could be from anywhere!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The conservative in me thinks addressing this issue (deporting them) would lead to higher wages and better benefits in the ag sector, which attracts more domestic workers to work in ag. It also would increase investment in mechanization and automation. There will be a time of higher costs increased food prices but when things settle, they should stabilize.

However, on a broader level, I find this entire situation absurd. The United States has become far too reliant on migrant labor, having half of the agricultural workforce undocumented. We need to ask ourselves why this is the case. It ain’t because this is "work Americans won't do". It's entirely because, for over 40 years, corporations have been allowed to exploit cheap imported labor, keeping wages for these jobs disgustingly low sometimes even below the federal minimum wage.

There are plenty of Americans who would be willing to do this work, but not for $12 an hour under the sweltering sun of Texas. Offer $30 an hour plus benefits to harvest lettuce, and you would see plenty of people lining up for those jobs. The problem lies in the fact that neither Democrats nor Republicans have taken meaningful action for decades. BOTH sides have allowed "big ag" to exploit these workers, paying pennies per box harvested perpetuating this cycle of exploitation, and doing so in such a way that if it were to ever dare end, suddenly panic, omg, our foods gonna rot and we're all gonna die of starvation because we cant afford food! They have caught you in this line of thinking, so they will always get their cheap, exploitive labor.

In my opinion, the widespread abuse of migrant labor over the past four decades is a shameful stain on this country. But, just like iPhones and Nike shoes, most people turn a blind eye to the unethical labor practices behind the products they want, so long as the price is low. Just look at OPs post: concerns about "rotting crops" and "skyrocketing prices", and not a single care about the exploitation of these workers. This has been ignored for decades and now that there's a policy threatens to send them home, we just get all up in arms because we might have to pay more.

It’s almost like saying that an economy can’t survive without illegal & low or no cost labor to farm the land. You know who else used that argument????

The Confederacy during the Civil War. Let that sink in.

Accurate and very well said, but the people defending the protesters here have happily ignored your post because they don’t actually care about how their cheap strawberries are processed. DCUM in general has a miserable record when it comes to caring about human rights violations that keep DCUMs consumer goods prices low.

Please? Cheap strawberries? Mc families are not buying fresh fruit. It is very expensive. You are out of touch. Just go back to crying and rounding up immigrants in your red State. Blue states don't need or want your help

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The conservative in me thinks addressing this issue (deporting them) would lead to higher wages and better benefits in the ag sector, which attracts more domestic workers to work in ag. It also would increase investment in mechanization and automation. There will be a time of higher costs increased food prices but when things settle, they should stabilize.

However, on a broader level, I find this entire situation absurd. The United States has become far too reliant on migrant labor, having half of the agricultural workforce undocumented. We need to ask ourselves why this is the case. It ain’t because this is "work Americans won't do". It's entirely because, for over 40 years, corporations have been allowed to exploit cheap imported labor, keeping wages for these jobs disgustingly low sometimes even below the federal minimum wage.

There are plenty of Americans who would be willing to do this work, but not for $12 an hour under the sweltering sun of Texas. Offer $30 an hour plus benefits to harvest lettuce, and you would see plenty of people lining up for those jobs. The problem lies in the fact that neither Democrats nor Republicans have taken meaningful action for decades. BOTH sides have allowed "big ag" to exploit these workers, paying pennies per box harvested perpetuating this cycle of exploitation, and doing so in such a way that if it were to ever dare end, suddenly panic, omg, our foods gonna rot and we're all gonna die of starvation because we cant afford food! They have caught you in this line of thinking, so they will always get their cheap, exploitive labor.

In my opinion, the widespread abuse of migrant labor over the past four decades is a shameful stain on this country. But, just like iPhones and Nike shoes, most people turn a blind eye to the unethical labor practices behind the products they want, so long as the price is low. Just look at OPs post: concerns about "rotting crops" and "skyrocketing prices", and not a single care about the exploitation of these workers. This has been ignored for decades and now that there's a policy threatens to send them home, we just get all up in arms because we might have to pay more.

It’s almost like saying that an economy can’t survive without illegal & low or no cost labor to farm the land. You know who else used that argument????

The Confederacy during the Civil War. Let that sink in.

Native born Americans are not up to working in the fields and slaughterhouses, no matter how much you pay. And the more you pay the workers, the higher food prices are, so catch-22. Yes, in Adam Smith's world, the conservative view you express is accurate, but that isn't reality in the USA in 2025.

Okay, sure, but then you need to be very honest about what you and the anti-ICE protesters are actually protesting for. You need to open about how you are protesting for and on behalf of BigAg. Otherwise, you are just a liar and a hypocrite.

Let us be clear: You are protesting to keep poor, vulnerable immigrants working in 110 degree heat for twelve hour days. You are protesting for child labor in slaughterhouses. You are protesting for working conditions that would horrify Upton Sinclair.

This is what you and the other anti-ICE protestors want. And that’s why there isn’t a lot of support for the protesters: because this is repulsive.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Breaking up concrete in the city to give them blocks to throw at law enforcement.

This is setting up ICE to ignore due process when they ramp up. Right now they are focusing a lot on people with final removal orders, who have no more due process to get.

With all this violence, they will have the excuse to just ignore immigration court process and any claims people want to make about torture or credible fear.

They were already ignoring due process, which is why people are angry. ICE started this.

ICE are federal workers.

Do you support federal workers? (I do).

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hope anyone interfering with federal officers ends up arrested and charged with a crime.

+1

I support federal ICE workers.

If they are actual ICE....but who knows who is who right now.

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Anonymous wrote:Hope anyone interfering with federal officers ends up arrested and charged with a crime.

What about the “officers” actually committing crimes? I hope they’re arrested and charged appropriately as well.

Sure, what crimes are those?
The same guys that are fearing for their safety every time they go out to do their job and helping improve the safety of the public and restore Law & Order while sick people attempt to photograph them to put their names/addresses/families on the internet and make them targets to attack for other lunatics?
Meanwhile if someone stole your cell phone it would be a life changing tragedy to you.

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Why doesn't ICE go after the employers? If there are no jobs for these people they will not come here. Wouldn't that be easier?

Are these people making minimum wage? I would imagine that they are, but minimum wage is way too low and means nothing anymore. Whose fault is it that the minimum wage has not been increased?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The conservative in me thinks addressing this issue (deporting them) would lead to higher wages and better benefits in the ag sector, which attracts more domestic workers to work in ag. It also would increase investment in mechanization and automation. There will be a time of higher costs increased food prices but when things settle, they should stabilize.

However, on a broader level, I find this entire situation absurd. The United States has become far too reliant on migrant labor, having half of the agricultural workforce undocumented. We need to ask ourselves why this is the case. It ain’t because this is "work Americans won't do". It's entirely because, for over 40 years, corporations have been allowed to exploit cheap imported labor, keeping wages for these jobs disgustingly low sometimes even below the federal minimum wage.

There are plenty of Americans who would be willing to do this work, but not for $12 an hour under the sweltering sun of Texas. Offer $30 an hour plus benefits to harvest lettuce, and you would see plenty of people lining up for those jobs. The problem lies in the fact that neither Democrats nor Republicans have taken meaningful action for decades. BOTH sides have allowed "big ag" to exploit these workers, paying pennies per box harvested perpetuating this cycle of exploitation, and doing so in such a way that if it were to ever dare end, suddenly panic, omg, our foods gonna rot and we're all gonna die of starvation because we cant afford food! They have caught you in this line of thinking, so they will always get their cheap, exploitive labor.

In my opinion, the widespread abuse of migrant labor over the past four decades is a shameful stain on this country. But, just like iPhones and Nike shoes, most people turn a blind eye to the unethical labor practices behind the products they want, so long as the price is low. Just look at OPs post: concerns about "rotting crops" and "skyrocketing prices", and not a single care about the exploitation of these workers. This has been ignored for decades and now that there's a policy threatens to send them home, we just get all up in arms because we might have to pay more.

It’s almost like saying that an economy can’t survive without illegal & low or no cost labor to farm the land. You know who else used that argument????

The Confederacy during the Civil War. Let that sink in.

Let's not "both sides" this. The democrats have supported workers rights and unionization....remember Ceasar Chavez and how he was crucified by republicans?

It is of course both sides. And the issue for Democrats is that Democratic voters, particularly the UMC voters that post here, love their quasi-slave labor agriculture.

Also, Cesar Chavez’s activism occurred before I was born and I have a kid in college now. If you have to go back to Cesar Chavez to mount such a weak partisan defense, you should know you’ve lost.