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Anonymous wrote:Tier 1: MIT, Stanford, Harvard, Princeton, Yale

Tier 2: Caltech, Penn, Columbia

Tier 3: Cornell, Dartmouth, Chicago, Brown, Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, Williams, Duke

Tier 4: Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Berkeley, Michigan, Carnegie Mellon, Emory, Amherst, WashU, Harvey Mudd, Swarthmore, Pomona, Bowdoin

This is the most accurate so far. Honestly tiers 1-3 are a lot closer to each other than the gap between 3&4

Anonymous wrote:Tier 1: MIT, Stanford, Harvard, Princeton, Yale

Tier 2: Caltech, Penn, Columbia

Tier 3: Cornell, Dartmouth, Chicago, Brown, Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, Williams, Duke

Tier 4: Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Berkeley, Michigan, Carnegie Mellon, Emory, Amherst, WashU, Harvey Mudd, Swarthmore, Pomona, Bowdoin

Anonymous wrote:Tier 1: Harvard, Stanford, MIT

Tier 1.5:Yale, Princeton

Tier 2: Duke, Columbia, Upenn, CalTech

Tier 2.5: Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Chicago, Brown, JHU

Tier 3: Vanderbilt, Rice, GTown, Emory, ND, Berkeley, Swarthmore, WashU, CMU

Tier 3.5: UCLA, Umich, Pomona

Tier 4: UVA, USC, NYU, Wellesley, Bowdoin, CMC, Barnard

Tier 4.5: Gatech, UNC, Harvey Mudd, top Military Academies, Boston College, UT, Tufts

Tier 5: Vassar, UCSD, UCSB, UCD, UF, UW, W&M, BU, UMD, Wake Forest, Tulane

Anonymous wrote:Fix it for you

Tier 1: Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton

Tier 2: Upenn, Johns Hopkins, Columbia, Duke, Northwestern, Brown, CalTech, Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona

Tier 3: Dartmouth, Cornell, Chicago, Vanderbilt**, Rice, GTown, Emory, ND, Wellesley, Bowdoin

Tier 4: Berkeley, UCLA, UVA, Umich, USC, NYU, CMC, Carleton, Harvey Mudd, Barnard

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think UCLA belongs. Their ROI is extremely low. One of the worst paid graduates. That’s why they did so poorly on WSJ’s ranking. Their students are too concerned with social life. In fact it’s the biggest reason I noticed why people want to go there.

Where did you notice this?

Social media. Particularly those YouTube videos where people make their college decisions. Most common rationale for UCLA is “I worked so hard in high school, I don’t want to stress out too much in college and enjoy it”, or something to that effect. And it makes perfect sense when you look at their ROI.

At least per New York Times article below, UCLA ranked #1 among its peers in economic diversity (greatest percentage of poor folk) and social mobility ("This measure reflects both access and outcomes, representing the likelihood that a student at U.C.L.A. moved up two or more income quintiles). In other words, the ROI at UCLA is incredible if you account for the fact that it educates students with far less privilege than its peers.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/college-mobility/university-of-california-los-angeles

Ok fine. But why would an UMC or wealthy family sending kids OOS care about this data point? It just means there are thousands of kids there who are unconnected, not networked. It’s awesome that the underprivledged have this opportunity truly amazing but socioeconomic diversity is the last thing I am looking at when I’m looking at schools.

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Anonymous wrote:EDIT: Forgot WashU and CMU

Tier 1: Harvard, Stanford, MIT

Tier 1.5:Yale, Princeton

Tier 2: Duke, Columbia, Upenn, Brown, CalTech, Johns Hopkins, Chicago,

Tier 2.5: Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Vanderbilt

Tier 3: Rice, GTown, Emory, ND, Berkeley, Swarthmore, WashU, CMU

Tier 3.5: UCLA, Umich, Pomona

Tier 4: UVA, USC, NYU, Wellesley, Bowdoin, CMC, Barnard

Tier 4.5: Gatech, UNC, Harvey Mudd, top Military Academies, Boston College, UT, Tufts

Tier 5: Vassar, UCSD, UCSB, UCD, UF, UW, W&M, BU, UMD, Wake Forest, Tulane

I think W&M, BU can be moved up.

Anonymous wrote:EDIT: Forgot WashU and CMU

Tier 1: Harvard, Stanford, MIT

Tier 1.5:Yale, Princeton

Tier 2: Duke, Columbia, Upenn, Brown, CalTech, Johns Hopkins, Chicago,

Tier 2.5: Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Vanderbilt

Tier 3: Rice, GTown, Emory, ND, Berkeley, Swarthmore, WashU, CMU

Tier 3.5: UCLA, Umich, Pomona

Tier 4: UVA, USC, NYU, Wellesley, Bowdoin, CMC, Barnard

Tier 4.5: Gatech, UNC, Harvey Mudd, top Military Academies, Boston College, UT, Tufts

Tier 5: Vassar, UCSD, UCSB, UCD, UF, UW, W&M, BU, UMD, Wake Forest, Tulane

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Anonymous wrote:Fix it for you

Tier 1: Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton

Tier 2: Upenn, Johns Hopkins, Columbia, Duke, Northwestern, Brown, CalTech, Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona

Tier 3: Dartmouth, Cornell, Chicago, Vanderbilt**, Rice, GTown, Emory, ND, Wellesley, Bowdoin

Tier 4: Berkeley, UCLA, UVA, Umich, USC, NYU, CMC, Carleton, Harvey Mudd, Barnard

LAC bias. Swarthmore and Pomona are Emory/WashU level honestly. Would you honestly put Pomona and Duke in the same sentence? Bowdoin is Gatech/ Tufts level, and the Big4 publics can be moved to 3 as well. But I think if you do that, Dartmouth and maybe Vanderbilt need to move up to 2.

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Anonymous wrote:EDIT: Forgot WashU and CMU

Tier 1: Harvard, Stanford, MIT

Tier 1.5:Yale, Princeton

Tier 2: Duke, Columbia, Upenn, Brown, CalTech, Johns Hopkins, Chicago,

Tier 2.5: Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Vanderbilt

Tier 3: Rice, GTown, Emory, ND, Berkeley, Swarthmore, WashU, CMU

Tier 3.5: UCLA, Umich, Pomona

Tier 4: UVA, USC, NYU, Wellesley, Bowdoin, CMC, Barnard

Tier 4.5: Gatech, UNC, Harvey Mudd, top Military Academies, Boston College, UT, Tufts

Tier 5: Vassar, UCSD, UCSB, UCD, UF, UW, W&M, BU, UMD, Wake Forest, Tulane

I generally like this list (although things get murky by the 5th Tier). FWIW, I don't believe there's a real difference between the kids at any of the top 2.5 tiers. Geography, wealth, race (sorry but true), and magic fairy dust are the only reason kids get into some of them vs others.

It's not about getting in per se. It's about cross admits. The kids that get into Vanderbilt and Stanford, the vast majority are choosing Stanford.

Hmm. That ruins the .5 list for me, because it comes down to major. My humanities-leaning DC would have definitely chosen Princeton or Yale over MIT or Stanford. And I still think Penn needs to be distinguished between CAS and Wharton/Engineering. I know a kid who picked Wharton over Princeton for example.

Per se*

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Anonymous wrote:Fix it for you

Tier 1: Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton

Tier 2: Upenn, Johns Hopkins, Columbia, Duke, Northwestern, Brown, CalTech, Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona

Tier 3: Dartmouth, Cornell, Chicago, Vanderbilt**, Rice, GTown, Emory, ND, Wellesley, Bowdoin

Tier 4: Berkeley, UCLA, UVA, Umich, USC, NYU, CMC, Carleton, Harvey Mudd, Barnard

LAC bias. Swarthmore and Pomona are Emory/WashU level honestly. Would you honestly put Pomona and Duke in the same sentence? Bowdoin is Gatech/ Tufts level, and the Big4 publics can be moved to 3 as well. But I think if you do that, Dartmouth and maybe Vanderbilt need to move up to 2.