Anonymous
06/21/2025 11:35
Subject: Re:Mcps special ed shake up?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another MCPS teacher here - after two years of documenting and not making progress meetings and alternative schedules and teachers being cussed at daily, our middle school finally got an SESES placement for next year for this student Everything is in place. And then mom emails last week to say she wants to him to go to his home high school so he can be with his friends. This one student, probably 10 IEP meetings, plus suspension intakes and parent conferences, just this year. One student! It is unsustainable. This job is impossible to do. This is all in addition to co-teaching 5 classes and case managing 10 other students. It is impossible.
This. It happens time after time in every school. Parents can block placements and services of their disruptive child to the detriment of everyone else and their needs! The pendulum has swung so far towards special needs rights it is blatantly unfair to gen ed rights to a free and appropriate education.
In everything balance is needed. If there is two years of valid documentation available, parents should not be able to just upend the work and say continue on with the status quo.
The parents usually aren't happy with the status quo. Many come in with medical documentation outlining areas with support needs, but IEP teams basically can't/won't agree to anything that will cost money.
How is it possible to educate a child with raging mental illness issues that haven’t been medically addressed?
Anonymous
06/19/2025 10:57
Subject: Re:Mcps special ed shake up?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another MCPS teacher here - after two years of documenting and not making progress meetings and alternative schedules and teachers being cussed at daily, our middle school finally got an SESES placement for next year for this student Everything is in place. And then mom emails last week to say she wants to him to go to his home high school so he can be with his friends. This one student, probably 10 IEP meetings, plus suspension intakes and parent conferences, just this year. One student! It is unsustainable. This job is impossible to do. This is all in addition to co-teaching 5 classes and case managing 10 other students. It is impossible.
This. It happens time after time in every school. Parents can block placements and services of their disruptive child to the detriment of everyone else and their needs! The pendulum has swung so far towards special needs rights it is blatantly unfair to gen ed rights to a free and appropriate education.
In everything balance is needed. If there is two years of valid documentation available, parents should not be able to just upend the work and say continue on with the status quo.
The parents usually aren't happy with the status quo. Many come in with medical documentation outlining areas with support needs, but IEP teams basically can't/won't agree to anything that will cost money.
What’s an example of “medical documentation outlining areas with support needs”? Is it basically always a transfer to a private school?
Anonymous
06/18/2025 18:34
Subject: Re:Mcps special ed shake up?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another MCPS teacher here - after two years of documenting and not making progress meetings and alternative schedules and teachers being cussed at daily, our middle school finally got an SESES placement for next year for this student Everything is in place. And then mom emails last week to say she wants to him to go to his home high school so he can be with his friends. This one student, probably 10 IEP meetings, plus suspension intakes and parent conferences, just this year. One student! It is unsustainable. This job is impossible to do. This is all in addition to co-teaching 5 classes and case managing 10 other students. It is impossible.
This. It happens time after time in every school. Parents can block placements and services of their disruptive child to the detriment of everyone else and their needs! The pendulum has swung so far towards special needs rights it is blatantly unfair to gen ed rights to a free and appropriate education.
In everything balance is needed. If there is two years of valid documentation available, parents should not be able to just upend the work and say continue on with the status quo.
The parents usually aren't happy with the status quo. Many come in with medical documentation outlining areas with support needs, but IEP teams basically can't/won't agree to anything that will cost money.
Anonymous
06/18/2025 10:27
Subject: Mcps special ed shake up?
Anonymous wrote:I think the supports that parents hate the most, are those that are for violent kids. Especially the mothers demand support people who “get” their kid. This translates to never holding the kid accountable for his violent behavior towards the teacher and the other kids.
Some of these parents need hard core parent training, or even mental health support.
Well the history matters too. If the school has not been implementing promised interventions to address the behaviors, parents may not trust that the school system has their child's best interests at heart.
One way to avoid dealing with parents with mental health issues is to not trigger or exacerbate those issues with gaslighting and condescension towards parents.
Anonymous
06/18/2025 10:19
Subject: Re:Mcps special ed shake up?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another MCPS teacher here - after two years of documenting and not making progress meetings and alternative schedules and teachers being cussed at daily, our middle school finally got an SESES placement for next year for this student Everything is in place. And then mom emails last week to say she wants to him to go to his home high school so he can be with his friends. This one student, probably 10 IEP meetings, plus suspension intakes and parent conferences, just this year. One student! It is unsustainable. This job is impossible to do. This is all in addition to co-teaching 5 classes and case managing 10 other students. It is impossible.
This. It happens time after time in every school. Parents can block placements and services of their disruptive child to the detriment of everyone else and their needs! The pendulum has swung so far towards special needs rights it is blatantly unfair to gen ed rights to a free and appropriate education.
In everything balance is needed. If there is two years of valid documentation available, parents should not be able to just upend the work and say continue on with the status quo.
Anonymous
06/18/2025 10:13
Subject: Mcps special ed shake up?
I think the supports that parents hate the most, are those that are for violent kids. Especially the mothers demand support people who “get” their kid. This translates to never holding the kid accountable for his violent behavior towards the teacher and the other kids.
Some of these parents need hard core parent training, or even mental health support.
Some of these parents need hard core parent training, or even mental health support.
Anonymous
06/17/2025 17:14
Subject: Re:Mcps special ed shake up?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another MCPS teacher here - after two years of documenting and not making progress meetings and alternative schedules and teachers being cussed at daily, our middle school finally got an SESES placement for next year for this student Everything is in place. And then mom emails last week to say she wants to him to go to his home high school so he can be with his friends. This one student, probably 10 IEP meetings, plus suspension intakes and parent conferences, just this year. One student! It is unsustainable. This job is impossible to do. This is all in addition to co-teaching 5 classes and case managing 10 other students. It is impossible.
It's been hard enough with kids who need placements with cooperative parents begging for it, I can't imagine the stress and frustration of dealing with this and then having parents fighting against what's best for the student. It really is impossible to sustain.
What kind of placement do parents fight? For what reason?
Parents might be concerned that the proposed program is not a good fit for the child's specific needs because it doesn't provide supports that address those needs and/or the program may not have strong academic standards. They may also be in denial about how bad things are in the mainstream classroom or distrust the staff because of how they have been treated in the past.
Anonymous
06/17/2025 16:24
Subject: Re:Mcps special ed shake up?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another MCPS teacher here - after two years of documenting and not making progress meetings and alternative schedules and teachers being cussed at daily, our middle school finally got an SESES placement for next year for this student Everything is in place. And then mom emails last week to say she wants to him to go to his home high school so he can be with his friends. This one student, probably 10 IEP meetings, plus suspension intakes and parent conferences, just this year. One student! It is unsustainable. This job is impossible to do. This is all in addition to co-teaching 5 classes and case managing 10 other students. It is impossible.
It's been hard enough with kids who need placements with cooperative parents begging for it, I can't imagine the stress and frustration of dealing with this and then having parents fighting against what's best for the student. It really is impossible to sustain.
What kind of placement do parents fight? For what reason?
Anonymous
06/15/2025 23:18
Subject: Re:Mcps special ed shake up?
Anonymous wrote:Another MCPS teacher here - after two years of documenting and not making progress meetings and alternative schedules and teachers being cussed at daily, our middle school finally got an SESES placement for next year for this student Everything is in place. And then mom emails last week to say she wants to him to go to his home high school so he can be with his friends. This one student, probably 10 IEP meetings, plus suspension intakes and parent conferences, just this year. One student! It is unsustainable. This job is impossible to do. This is all in addition to co-teaching 5 classes and case managing 10 other students. It is impossible.
It's been hard enough with kids who need placements with cooperative parents begging for it, I can't imagine the stress and frustration of dealing with this and then having parents fighting against what's best for the student. It really is impossible to sustain.
Anonymous
06/15/2025 10:39
Subject: Re:Mcps special ed shake up?
Anonymous wrote:Another MCPS teacher here - after two years of documenting and not making progress meetings and alternative schedules and teachers being cussed at daily, our middle school finally got an SESES placement for next year for this student Everything is in place. And then mom emails last week to say she wants to him to go to his home high school so he can be with his friends. This one student, probably 10 IEP meetings, plus suspension intakes and parent conferences, just this year. One student! It is unsustainable. This job is impossible to do. This is all in addition to co-teaching 5 classes and case managing 10 other students. It is impossible.
+1. I teach in a neighboring district and we have seen the exact same situation happen. Then **** hits the fan in high school and the kid gets into serious trouble. Parents complain that the schools didn't do enough and everyone blames the teachers. Rinse and repeat.
Anonymous
06/15/2025 07:17
Subject: Re:Mcps special ed shake up?
Anonymous wrote:Another MCPS teacher here - after two years of documenting and not making progress meetings and alternative schedules and teachers being cussed at daily, our middle school finally got an SESES placement for next year for this student Everything is in place. And then mom emails last week to say she wants to him to go to his home high school so he can be with his friends. This one student, probably 10 IEP meetings, plus suspension intakes and parent conferences, just this year. One student! It is unsustainable. This job is impossible to do. This is all in addition to co-teaching 5 classes and case managing 10 other students. It is impossible.
Ugh I'm sorry. As a parent in a different situation than the one you described, the special ed/disability processes do seem extremely inefficient and time intensive for staff. We had 4 meetings attended by multiple staff this year for my child in order to deny an IEP and put into place a 504. This whole process was triggered by our request for a 504 plan.
Anonymous
06/14/2025 12:23
Subject: Re:Mcps special ed shake up?
Anonymous wrote:Another MCPS teacher here - after two years of documenting and not making progress meetings and alternative schedules and teachers being cussed at daily, our middle school finally got an SESES placement for next year for this student Everything is in place. And then mom emails last week to say she wants to him to go to his home high school so he can be with his friends. This one student, probably 10 IEP meetings, plus suspension intakes and parent conferences, just this year. One student! It is unsustainable. This job is impossible to do. This is all in addition to co-teaching 5 classes and case managing 10 other students. It is impossible.
This. It happens time after time in every school. Parents can block placements and services of their disruptive child to the detriment of everyone else and their needs! The pendulum has swung so far towards special needs rights it is blatantly unfair to gen ed rights to a free and appropriate education.
Anonymous
06/14/2025 11:23
Subject: Re:Mcps special ed shake up?
Another MCPS teacher here - after two years of documenting and not making progress meetings and alternative schedules and teachers being cussed at daily, our middle school finally got an SESES placement for next year for this student Everything is in place. And then mom emails last week to say she wants to him to go to his home high school so he can be with his friends. This one student, probably 10 IEP meetings, plus suspension intakes and parent conferences, just this year. One student! It is unsustainable. This job is impossible to do. This is all in addition to co-teaching 5 classes and case managing 10 other students. It is impossible.
Anonymous
06/14/2025 10:31
Subject: Mcps special ed shake up?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I thought violent kids are sent to the Extensions program, not SESES?
Both programs are are the MCPS continuum of SpED services and have different criteria for placement.
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Anonymous
06/14/2025 10:15
Subject: Mcps special ed shake up?
Anonymous wrote:I thought violent kids are sent to the Extensions program, not SESES?
Both programs are are the MCPS continuum of SpED services and have different criteria for placement.