Anonymous wrote:How would Democrats get housing prices down without crashing the economy.... And giving everyone $20,000 isn't going to help because as we've seen with school vouchers the price will just go up by $20,000

Trump is the president. Stay on topic, not hypotheticals.

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Anonymous wrote:Factory jobs used to be good jobs with strong unions. Then the right eroded unions and vilified workers fighting for good pay and conditions and are working on eroding job safety protectionss. If they come back, I am sure they will not be the good jobs of the past.

You seem to have forgotten to mention that wealthy Democrat donors rallied Bill Clinton to ship those manufacturing jobs out of the US with NAFTA, further enriching those Democrat donors.

Reagan and Bush were no friends of union workers, but Clinton literally kicked their jobs to Mexico.

And George W Bush had 8 years to bring those jobs back and did nothing.

Anyways, the tell that you're not even serious is your use of the "Democrat" epithet - not once, but twice.

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Anonymous wrote:Without a living wage, no one is going to be doing any of these manufacturing jobs. I doubt any of these companies are going to offer a pension and I doubt a family of four will not be able to live off of a line worker's income like they did in the '50s. No matter how badly you want it, America will not be back in the '50s. I would love to be able to vacation and have a single family home in a suburb and our children in a great school and me stay home all day with just my husband's job as a line worker working 40 hours a week. But honey that ain't going to happen

Also the reason the fifties were a golden age was quite terrible and shouldn’t be replicated. Europe was decimated by fifty years of war, Asia and Africa and Latin America were struggling with the often violent ends of colonialism. Our only true rivals were Canada and Australia and they didnt have the human capital and Australia is super far. Do we want the whole world to be decimated so we can have that back ?

It was also during a time when white males didn't have to compete for high paying jobs with women and minorities.

BTW, taxes were much higher back then. Sure, let's go back to the 1950s tax bracket, too.

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Anonymous wrote:Factory jobs used to be good jobs with strong unions. Then the right eroded unions and vilified workers fighting for good pay and conditions and are working on eroding job safety protectionss. If they come back, I am sure they will not be the good jobs of the past.

You seem to have forgotten to mention that wealthy Democrat donors rallied Bill Clinton to ship those manufacturing jobs out of the US with NAFTA, further enriching those Democrat donors.

Reagan and Bush were no friends of union workers, but Clinton literally kicked their jobs to Mexico.

You seem to have forgotten, or didn't know, that it was Reagan who started NAFTA, Bush who finally negotiated and signed the treaty in 1992, and Clinton who signed the Act in '93.

https://time.com/5468175/nafta-history/

I'm not even sure how these tariffs would reverse decades of globalism. Presumably the next congress or the end of Trump's term would be the end of them anyway. It's not as if we're going to onshore semiconductor manufacturing or whatever in a few years time.

Even if manufacturing comes back, it will mostly be automated. It will not bring back big union jobs.

+1. American design typically sucks. Our cars suck, clothing suck, food sucks. Compared to elsewhere designs anyway.

Also we're moving toward AI. Why does it make sense to return to skilled labor in general? Now making a violin or a specialization that requires an apprenticeship is different. We could def use more plumbers, preKs, teachers, police and tutors but you know why nobody wants those jobs so why in the helm you'd want to make clothes?! Hell we could even use more doctors but it's too hard for a lot of people.

If people are worried about AI taking jobs I'd think the last thing they want is manufacturing oriented jobs. Get some robots in that assembly line!

It doesn't make sense to me to go back but better to progress. The issue is that American society culturally isn't in a place where we can progress given our education systems and a slew of other infrastructure and domestic issues.

Honestly, I prefer items made elsewhere. There are better standards for fabric (okeo), sustainability practices, and innovations. USA made is generally unsafe, cheap - if mass produced. I know there are really lovely handmade small production items.

The tariffs should not be on foreign companies shipping items here. It should be on us companies who produce things overseas and then ship it back to the US

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Anonymous wrote:Manufacturing Comes Back!

I fail to see the humor here in this pic. Can someone enlighten me? Explain it?

Because what I see is a skilled laborer, making a useful item, in a presumably US-based factory.

As if anyone here on this forum could do that job themselves? Laughable. Most of you would sew through your hand within 30 seconds of taking a seat at that machine. Most people here are highly educated dummies.

Yes I bet Jimmy. Bob and Cletus are going to be lining up to start sewing women's shirts for $0.50 a shirt

How would Democrats get housing prices down without crashing the economy.... And giving everyone $20,000 isn't going to help because as we've seen with school vouchers the price will just go up by $20,000

Anonymous wrote:Manufacturing Comes Back!

I fail to see the humor here in this pic. Can someone enlighten me? Explain it?

Because what I see is a skilled laborer, making a useful item, in a presumably US-based factory.

As if anyone here on this forum could do that job themselves? Laughable. Most of you would sew through your hand within 30 seconds of taking a seat at that machine. Most people here are highly educated dummies.

Anonymous wrote:Factory jobs used to be good jobs with strong unions. Then the right eroded unions and vilified workers fighting for good pay and conditions and are working on eroding job safety protectionss. If they come back, I am sure they will not be the good jobs of the past.

You seem to have forgotten to mention that wealthy Democrat donors rallied Bill Clinton to ship those manufacturing jobs out of the US with NAFTA, further enriching those Democrat donors.

Reagan and Bush were no friends of union workers, but Clinton literally kicked their jobs to Mexico.

Anonymous wrote:Without a living wage, no one is going to be doing any of these manufacturing jobs. I doubt any of these companies are going to offer a pension and I doubt a family of four will not be able to live off of a line worker's income like they did in the '50s. No matter how badly you want it, America will not be back in the '50s. I would love to be able to vacation and have a single family home in a suburb and our children in a great school and me stay home all day with just my husband's job as a line worker working 40 hours a week. But honey that ain't going to happen

Also the reason the fifties were a golden age was quite terrible and shouldn’t be replicated. Europe was decimated by fifty years of war, Asia and Africa and Latin America were struggling with the often violent ends of colonialism. Our only true rivals were Canada and Australia and they didnt have the human capital and Australia is super far. Do we want the whole world to be decimated so we can have that back ?

The status quo is unsustainable.