Living in the trendy Brooklyn neighborhoods is very popular.

DS is a senior at a top10 non-ivy and the gf is a senior at an ivy in the t10. they met at a summer internship.
Here is where they and various friends are going:
Law school, Harvard and Penn
grad school, stanford, cornell, oxford
med school not sure but either UCSF or UCSD
Jobs incl med or law gap years: DC/Baltimore x4, NYC x1, Boston x2, Ohio x1

I've been everywhere and I've traveled for work in just about every big city in U.S. There's nothing like NYC, especially in your 20s. If you can't live there, find a job where you have to travel there for work often. I wouldn't recommend it when you're in your 30s and beyond and starting a family.

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Anonymous wrote:the doorman thing for women is pretty accurate - and the bank of mom and dad will subsidize to get that safety for my daughter

60 year old women romanticizing their 5 story walk up from the 80s is an antiquated trope - walk around the east village on any night and once you cut through the haze of weed, tell me you would want your daughter entering a building alone - pass

You are a complete nutter. I live and work in NYC and hire 22-25 year old women all the time for entry level positions on my team. None of them live in doorman buildings. All of them are fine. The East Village is crazy expensive and not dangerous.

East Village esp at night isn’t great in terms of safety. Google it and you’ll see.

+1

And while NYC is overall much safer than late 80s/early 90s, everyone I know who lived there for a few years has been mugged, many near/in the entryway to non-doorman buildings.
I wouldn't want my kid living in any major city in a building without a doorman/24 hour security or concierge.

Yep, just yesterday a 25 yr old woman living her post-college dream had her throat slashed in the middle of the afternoon in Soho. By a career criminal of course, who just a few yrs ago broke the eye socket of a female MTA employee by shoving her face into a pole. Yay bail reform! Go Democrats!

When I first moved to DC everyone was shocked that I wanted to live in "unsafe" DC and not in NOVA. Well, that very first week at 23 year-old was killed in a carjacking in Arlington. Crime happens everywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to live in nyc. Why wouldnt a 20 year old?

Because there's no nature, sun, or beach.

Are you nuts? You can literally take the subway to Far Rockaway and go surfing.

NP who is not “nuts.” Yes, manhattan and downtown brooklyn each have 2 good-sized parks that are packed with people. There is north Atlantic temperature ocean multiple subway rides away.

This is like saying DC has mountains. Or beach, in the form of the Bay

All the nature PP‘s are talking about cities like Santa Monica, orange county, miami, San Francisco, possibly Seattle, Tampa.

Yes, New York has more jobs in aggregate than these cities. But it’s not as if these cities have zero jobs. And some of us prioritize actual nature within 15 minutes over other factors.

Anonymous wrote:Your premise is flawed. They don’t. I know lots of kids, DC included, excited about working in Washington. My kid hates NYC.

Kids excited about DC over NYC are

1. Not hot enough for nyc
2. Not “locked in” enough for nyc
3. Not interesting enough for nyc

I do think nyc is overrated but to compare it to Washington is crazy

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Anonymous wrote:the doorman thing for women is pretty accurate - and the bank of mom and dad will subsidize to get that safety for my daughter

60 year old women romanticizing their 5 story walk up from the 80s is an antiquated trope - walk around the east village on any night and once you cut through the haze of weed, tell me you would want your daughter entering a building alone - pass

You are a complete nutter. I live and work in NYC and hire 22-25 year old women all the time for entry level positions on my team. None of them live in doorman buildings. All of them are fine. The East Village is crazy expensive and not dangerous.

East Village esp at night isn’t great in terms of safety. Google it and you’ll see.

+1

And while NYC is overall much safer than late 80s/early 90s, everyone I know who lived there for a few years has been mugged, many near/in the entryway to non-doorman buildings.
I wouldn't want my kid living in any major city in a building without a doorman/24 hour security or concierge.

Yep, just yesterday a 25 yr old woman living her post-college dream had her throat slashed in the middle of the afternoon in Soho. By a career criminal of course, who just a few yrs ago broke the eye socket of a female MTA employee by shoving her face into a pole. Yay bail reform! Go Democrats!

snort. Are you saying that cities in red states don't have murders?

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/9/

Mine did not. They found urban environments that made them happier than NYC would have. All good!

I think there is a fascination with so many things to do and so much activity in one space —Manhattan. Then they realize that quality of living changes for them and so many other grown up lessons. But that usually happens later on in life.

We have a friend whose daughter recently matriculated to a NYC college. Loved the excitement since not from a big city. But did not realize how expensive it was to afford their lifestyle, with no job prospects in sight.

Now they are full of regret.


I told my kids that they can visit NYC however many times they’d like for work or play, but to save and invest somewhere else.

They listened and now have decent inheritances.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to live in nyc. Why wouldnt a 20 year old?

Because there's no nature, sun, or beach.

Are you nuts? You can literally take the subway to Far Rockaway and go surfing.

I once rode a subway from Brooklyn to Manhattan and saw a fellow passenger with wet hair and a Chanel surfboard.

Another reasonably easy beach to access from the city is Sandy Hook (NJ) via ferry.

There is this other place that NYers actually go to called the Hamptons in case you haven’t heard of it.

DP. 50 year old successful NYers go to the Hamptons.

24 year old broke NYers without a car typically find someplace a bit closer and less expensive for summer weekend beach time. While there's a train, that's a long way to go.

There are tons of 20-somethings in the Hamptons on any given weekend in the summer. They buy into huge share houses. I wish it weren't a thing, but it is. The partying can be disruptive.

Anonymous wrote:Your premise is flawed. They don’t. I know lots of kids, DC included, excited about working in Washington. My kid hates NYC.

I think if most kids had a choice between DC and NYC, they'd pick NYC.

There was a thread not long ago about what areas/cities college grads were applying jobs in. Vast majority, including from the south, were applying for jobs in NYC. Now, that may be because there aren't as many jobs in the south compared to NYC, but I also think it's because young people would rather live in NYC than DC.

Your premise is flawed. They don’t. I know lots of kids, DC included, excited about working in Washington. My kid hates NYC.

Because it is the greatest city in the world full stop

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Anonymous wrote:the doorman thing for women is pretty accurate - and the bank of mom and dad will subsidize to get that safety for my daughter

60 year old women romanticizing their 5 story walk up from the 80s is an antiquated trope - walk around the east village on any night and once you cut through the haze of weed, tell me you would want your daughter entering a building alone - pass

You are a complete nutter. I live and work in NYC and hire 22-25 year old women all the time for entry level positions on my team. None of them live in doorman buildings. All of them are fine. The East Village is crazy expensive and not dangerous.

East Village esp at night isn’t great in terms of safety. Google it and you’ll see.

+1

And while NYC is overall much safer than late 80s/early 90s, everyone I know who lived there for a few years has been mugged, many near/in the entryway to non-doorman buildings.
I wouldn't want my kid living in any major city in a building without a doorman/24 hour security or concierge.

Yep, just yesterday a 25 yr old woman living her post-college dream had her throat slashed in the middle of the afternoon in Soho. By a career criminal of course, who just a few yrs ago broke the eye socket of a female MTA employee by shoving her face into a pole. Yay bail reform! Go Democrats!

It's so bizarre how MAGAs live in a constant state of fear. Maybe you should talk to someone...

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Anonymous wrote:Agree - NYC is wonderful in your early 20s. So much to do, some many new people to meet. Even if you're poor.

How the heck do people in their early 20’s afford to live there?

You have roommates, you eat cheaply, you take the subway

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And you have a good job.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to live in nyc. Why wouldnt a 20 year old?

Because there's no nature, sun, or beach.

Are you nuts? You can literally take the subway to Far Rockaway and go surfing.

I once rode a subway from Brooklyn to Manhattan and saw a fellow passenger with wet hair and a Chanel surfboard.

Another reasonably easy beach to access from the city is Sandy Hook (NJ) via ferry.

There is this other place that NYers actually go to called the Hamptons in case you haven’t heard of it.

DP. 50 year old successful NYers go to the Hamptons.

24 year old broke NYers without a car typically find someplace a bit closer and less expensive for summer weekend beach time. While there's a train, that's a long way to go.

Often times the under 25 set will get a house together in the Hamptons with like 6-8 people and live like they are in college again.