Yes, they’re in AZ. I don’t know if it’s about Trump.

Anonymous wrote:No but I can name 2 people who are fleecing DC

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Anonymous wrote:The only people I know who are leaving are Europeans who either have daul citizenship or are here legally.

They are taking their American spouse and family back to Europe with them. I don't blame them.

We have this option but are not doing it. The quality of life is just better in the US. We don't have the historic charm or slow pace, but our housing, appliances, and conveniences are better.

Many don't realize this or do know and don't care anymore. Others think there is something magical in...Canada or Europe. if you have work, family and friends in one of those places it could be easier, or are a dual citizen.

Anonymous wrote:We are away for the weekend and traffic was worse yesterday during rush hour than I’ve seen it in years. I don’t think anyone has left the metro area. Everyone we know who left did in 20-21 during Covid.

It's cherry blossoms season. What did you expect?

Anonymous wrote:I have no friends who are leaving dc because of trump, even the ones who lost their jobs. I don’t plan on leaving either because I have a non-political job I love. But I am a bit surprised that I don’t know anyone who is looking to move in a serious way. I know plenty who are talking about it, but I know they’re not serious. Do you know people who are planning on moving their families?

The DMV is otherwise a very cool place to live with so much access to culture, art, political opportunities, diversity, etc. Why would we leave for this chump who may not even last four years. We’ve also invested a significant amount in housing - other than a war - our property values will either stay stagnant at their already overpriced or increase. We ARE DC - the occupant in the whitehouse and his minions are temporary.

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Anonymous wrote:We’re moving to Europe. Not immediately, but in about a year. I’m a fired fed and my spouse is a more securely employed fed. Getting things lined up now to leave after the 25-26 school year. Two ES kids. We aren’t sharing with friends yet.

Do you have citizenship or residency/visas lined up? What are you doing? I'm starting to think about it. My mother has retained a lawyer to pursue Italian citizenship.

Also wondering how people are emigrating to other countries... I am one generation too far removed to claim Ireland or similar. No connections to get a job offer and work visa...

In most countries you need to have 1) qualifications/experience working in a job they really need people for (for example, doctors and nurses are pretty much needed everywhere, highly skilled IT tends to be in demand, certain engineering disciplines, etc. There are opportunities that are somewhat country specific as well -- finance in Switzerland and high-level farming in New Zealand for example), or 2) a LOT of money to invest. And at this point most countries don't just allow you to buy a 1M house and call that the investment; many require investment in a business and employing a certain number of local people.

All you need for Canada is enough “points” on their point-system, and they award points based on education - which should qualify most feds for Canadian immigrant status.

Canada does not allow in unskilled laborers. Canada also has a policy similar to “Wait in Mexico,” except asylum-seekers are forced to wait-in-U.S. for their turn in the Canadian immigration courts.

You should take a look at the details of the points system. The feds in this area won't score well on it due to their age.

I’m in the oldest age category and scored 439, which might be enough. But I have a law degree which pushed me way up.

Do you have a Canadian LLM? Did you get a job offer before trying to immigrate? DH and I are early 40s Fed lawyers and assumed we were too old.

No Canadian LLM. And I haven't tried at all -- I just did the quick online points quiz that Canada offers after getting curious when I saw that PP mentioning the points system. It didn't ask about job offers, and I filled out the degree info for non-Canadian degrees. It did ask age, and I'm older than you are, early 50s.

The pp about the points system hit my curiosity because close friends are in the process of moving to Canada now. The DW is a citizen of Canada and after living here for about 20 years wanted to go home. The process to get the visa or resident status or whatever it is for the DH has been extensive, took about a year, and required an interview. They did pay an immigration lawyer to handle their paperwork. She is 67 and he is 66. They began this process long before ... well, long before.

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Anonymous wrote:No, moving is crazy expensive and I'm not going to move unless I have to.

This. But additionally, I've lived here for 30 years now. This is where my friends are. I cannot imagine trying to start anew in another city. Not at my age. Where would I go? I think of the cheaper cost of living areas, they're usually in areas that are not so transient so people have lived there forever and they have established friend groups, and are not likely open to adding more people because why would they?

There is an entire country out there.

There are plenty of DC residents who have lost their job or about to lose it, and should simply move. Just because you’ve been doing something for decades doesn’t mean you must keep doing it.

The US government is no longer a good trustworthy employer and you should leave.

FWIW, the housing market has increased in price at a greater rate in other areas than DC. You will be surprised to find that LCOL areas aren’t exactly that LCOL.

Did you read what that person wrote other than what you put into bold font? The person was talking about trying to make a new friend group. Yes the United States is big. However it is difficult in the later part of our years to try to make new friends.

Anonymous wrote:The only people I know who are leaving are Europeans who either have daul citizenship or are here legally.

They are taking their American spouse and family back to Europe with them. I don't blame them.

We have this option but are not doing it. The quality of life is just better in the US. We don't have the historic charm or slow pace, but our housing, appliances, and conveniences are better.

The only people I know who are leaving are Europeans who either have daul citizenship or are here legally.

They are taking their American spouse and family back to Europe with them. I don't blame them.

Just had dinner with a good friend from Northern Europe who is a green card holder, has an American spouse and children, and has started two businesses in the US, valued well into the millions. As an aside, he first came here as a foreign student. He is a moderate/centrist.

He is applying ASAP for citizenship because he no longer feels safe as a green card holder. He is purchasing a home in his home country as an investment and as part of an exit strategy. He has already lost business due to certain Trump policies and feels he will be lucky to break even this year. He is not sure that his business will survive the Trump reign and he is concerned about the various threats to civil liberty and freedom of expression that are cropping up everywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:We’re moving to Europe. Not immediately, but in about a year. I’m a fired fed and my spouse is a more securely employed fed. Getting things lined up now to leave after the 25-26 school year. Two ES kids. We aren’t sharing with friends yet.

Do you have citizenship or residency/visas lined up? What are you doing? I'm starting to think about it. My mother has retained a lawyer to pursue Italian citizenship.

Also wondering how people are emigrating to other countries... I am one generation too far removed to claim Ireland or similar. No connections to get a job offer and work visa...

In most countries you need to have 1) qualifications/experience working in a job they really need people for (for example, doctors and nurses are pretty much needed everywhere, highly skilled IT tends to be in demand, certain engineering disciplines, etc. There are opportunities that are somewhat country specific as well -- finance in Switzerland and high-level farming in New Zealand for example), or 2) a LOT of money to invest. And at this point most countries don't just allow you to buy a 1M house and call that the investment; many require investment in a business and employing a certain number of local people.

All you need for Canada is enough “points” on their point-system, and they award points based on education - which should qualify most feds for Canadian immigrant status.

Canada does not allow in unskilled laborers. Canada also has a policy similar to “Wait in Mexico,” except asylum-seekers are forced to wait-in-U.S. for their turn in the Canadian immigration courts.

You should take a look at the details of the points system. The feds in this area won't score well on it due to their age.

I’m in the oldest age category and scored 439, which might be enough. But I have a law degree which pushed me way up.

Do you have a Canadian LLM? Did you get a job offer before trying to immigrate? DH and I are early 40s Fed lawyers and assumed we were too old.

Anonymous wrote:A very reactive friend of mine asked me if I was going to sell my Chevy Chase home I bought in 2021 (after being outbid on 7 other prior homes) that has a 3% interest rate. Girl, no. She’s also trying to get her husband to move out of the country with her and their 9 yo DD. He said no. I love my friend (and this current administration is a clown show), but the problem is her.

It’s not unreasonable to expect most people need to work for a living.

A 3% mortgage rate is a great deal. I have one too. But it’s more important to earn an income than have a low mortgage rate.

A very reactive friend of mine asked me if I was going to sell my Chevy Chase home I bought in 2021 (after being outbid on 7 other prior homes) that has a 3% interest rate. Girl, no. She’s also trying to get her husband to move out of the country with her and their 9 yo DD. He said no. I love my friend (and this current administration is a clown show), but the problem is her.

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Anonymous wrote:No, moving is crazy expensive and I'm not going to move unless I have to.

This. But additionally, I've lived here for 30 years now. This is where my friends are. I cannot imagine trying to start anew in another city. Not at my age. Where would I go? I think of the cheaper cost of living areas, they're usually in areas that are not so transient so people have lived there forever and they have established friend groups, and are not likely open to adding more people because why would they?

There is an entire country out there.

There are plenty of DC residents who have lost their job or about to lose it, and should simply move. Just because you’ve been doing something for decades doesn’t mean you must keep doing it.

The US government is no longer a good trustworthy employer and you should leave.

FWIW, the housing market has increased in price at a greater rate in other areas than DC. You will be surprised to find that LCOL areas aren’t exactly that LCOL.

Anonymous wrote:No, moving is crazy expensive and I'm not going to move unless I have to.

This. But additionally, I've lived here for 30 years now. This is where my friends are. I cannot imagine trying to start anew in another city. Not at my age. Where would I go? I think of the cheaper cost of living areas, they're usually in areas that are not so transient so people have lived there forever and they have established friend groups, and are not likely open to adding more people because why would they?