Anonymous
03/21/2025 16:37
Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Substance. People want substance from their leaders. The packaging doesn't matter. Continue to try to shove neo-liberalism and corporatism down the throats of the electorate and it does not matter if your candidate is a white woman, a gay man, a black man, or what have you. It DOES NOT MATTER. It's the lack of substance that people are rejecting.
People are struggling to afford a basic standard of living. The GOP offers no solutions, but they do offer an outlet for their fear and anger. The Democrats only shot at countering fear and anger is with real substantive solutions. Raise the freaking minimum wage. Pass parental leave laws. Gut the for-profit medical industry. Address corruption and money in politics ON BOTH SIDES. Make owning a home a realistic dream for young people again. Make retirement a realistic dream for young people again. Make raising a family economically possible without a 6-figure salary again. Make it so every dang job can't require a masters degree while paying us poverty wages.
Stop arguing about what the candidate should look like and start talking about what people NEED and the solutions we can offer them to win their support.
The problem is that Trump’s challenge to the swamp forced Dems into a corner where we are now very pro-establishment. Democrats now believe and assert that the for-profit medical industry is not corrupt, and that anyone questioning it should be censored. Democrats can’t address corruption in government, they believe and assert that there is no corruption on the Democratic side, or even much wasteful spending at all. Democrats believe and assert that Biden’s economy was very strong, and that the affordability crisis is exaggerated by Trump voters. We came to these positions organically—we wanted to oppose Trump everywhere and always. But our pro-establishment stance is killing us in this climate of anti-establishment voters wanting change
The bolded was a big part of Harris' campaign.
Anonymous
03/21/2025 16:37
Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:Why would you feel the need to lecture people about “belief” in for-profit corporate pharmaceutical products and the need to “trust” captured regulators if you know the industry is corrupt? Seems like a strange use of time and energy for “reformers.” Why would you feel the need to freak out and “resist” and “fight” audits and cost-cutting and layoffs if you agree there’s waste and you know we’re borrowing an extra $2 trillion a year to fund the waste?
Like I said, Democrats have become fierce defenders of the Establishment.
The party isn’t even anti-war anymore. You sound like spoken for the military industrial complex. Slava Ukraini!
You do know that the Instagram influencers who sell “alternatives” like snake oil and juices are profiting off disease too, right? Considering they don’t have to pay for R&D, clinical studies, advanced education, or pretty much anything else beyond basic ingredients for their unproven concoctions, it’s almost pure profit. Estimated in hundreds of billions of dollars per year.
Your attention is profit to them too, even if you don’t buy.
“Natural” can be a rip off too.
The more you know…
Anonymous
03/21/2025 16:33
Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
I will concede as I do not remember those videos from summer 2020. That clearly isn’t right and I do agree that the protesters crossed a line there. It seems to have been somewhat limited, but as someone who has attended protests before, I personally would never do such a thing. People sometimes get overzealous and aggressive.
That isn’t the party’s fault, of course.
That isn’t the party’s fault, of course.
Anonymous
03/21/2025 16:32
Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:January 6th is everything to me
I was traumatized by that and can't fathom how the Republicans rationalize it.
Just had a day long argument with my mother, who'd rationalizing why it's OK my spouse just got fired from the feds, and she seems to think J6 was only about 4-6 hours long, so it's implausible that 1,500 or more would be arrested and convicted. That there must be shenanigans in the prosecution somehow.
I asked her if she had read the Jan 6 committee report. https://www.amazon.com/January-6-Report-6th-Committee/dp/0063315505. Nope.
Or Jack Smith's report. https://electionlawblog.org/wp-content/uploads/report-of-special-counsel-smith-volume-1-january-2025.pdf Nope.
Or Michael Fanone's book. Nope. Harry Dunn's? Nope. Aquilino Gonell's? Nope.
The Breach by a Republican congressman? Perhaps more believable to her. Nope. https://www.amazon.com/Breach-Untold-Story-Investigation-January/dp/1250866766
Has she viewed body worn camera footage? Nope.
Everyone needs to go to primary sources. The days are over where media was a reliable secondary source of information.
I would sit her down on the couch and pull it up on the TV.
Your poor mother. You should leave her alone.
dcurbanmoms can’t help ourselves. We take the MOST hyperpartisan spin we could possibly create (“this was an armed insurrection!”) and then we pretend to ourselves that it wasn’t written by political hacks but rather by the Encyclopedia Brittannica. Or God.
You are almost certainly too politically biased to be objective about Jan6. As such, you are wuite possibly mistaken about much of it, and you are making a big mistake lecturing your mom about it.
My buddy from San Francisco spent a lot of time lecturing his elderly father about race, trans issues, etc. he regrets it now.
I’ve gone down this oath many times. It’s not worth it. Nobody needs a political education from any of us. Tread carefully, that’s my unsolicited free advice. Sorry if this is offensive , but I’m telling youbthis out of love. J6 is old news. Swing voters don’t care about and don’t agree with you. Changing your mom’s mind will accomplish nothing. But it mights train your relationship. Why choose a topic that upsets you for conversations with your Mom.
Anonymous
03/21/2025 16:27
Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Impeach, remove from office ... That's it. The president is not faithfully executing our laws -- the highest crime imaginable. That's the message the opposition needs to have from now until the midterms. Win a majority in house. 67 votes in the senate. Don't care if all think it's impossible. Make that the singular goal. Make it the only topic. Our nation does great at simple things. He does xyz, fine, ok, let's impeach him and remove him from office. Nothing else matters. That on repeat for the next 18 months. Rally everyone against him or what he does around this singular goal.
They don't have the votes. How do you not understand this?
Poor Dems. Don’t have the votes to impeach, don’t have the votes to win elections. But so sure they should be in charge! No wonder they hate the voters so much.
Remind me again, how many times Trump was impeached in his first term, and who won in 2020?
You're acting like this is some kind of permanent mandate. It's a pendulum swing. People are angry with the system and incumbents get tossed out. It's really not much deeper than that.
Anonymous
03/21/2025 16:21
Subject: Re:What SHOULD Dems do?
Looking back I think we can all agree it was a mistake to allow what was done to President Biden.
We can’t change the past. But we can change the direction of the future by listening to President Biden:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/bidens-want-back-in-rcna196956
We can’t change the past. But we can change the direction of the future by listening to President Biden:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/bidens-want-back-in-rcna196956
Anonymous
03/21/2025 16:17
Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Democrats should hand policy making and messaging over to black dudes, especially black dude who have been to church st least a few times. As racist as people can be, swing voters are way less angry at black dudes than at AWFLs (affluent white female liberals). Black dudes didn’t hassle us during Covid and don’t push “migrants” and “trans folks” NEARLY as much as upper middle class striver women do. AWFLs keep blaming swing voters for being racist or transphobic or whatever. When the truth is that they are sick of listening to preening liberal white people.
Raphael Warnock is a good example. Obama was another. Generally, people like black dudes a lot more than white women.
Black dudes are also the most masculine remaining men in the Democratic Party, on average. (Yes, Andrew Cuomo is masculine, but he’s too old.) We need masculine candidates. I agree that Warnock is promising. (Word to the wise aside—Mark Kelly does NOT come off as masculine as many of us think he does. He’s better than Walz, but not as good as Warnock or any of a thousand Republicans.)
Nobody is allowed to call swing voters racist, but it's okay to pander to their sexism.
Anonymous
03/21/2025 16:15
Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:January 6th is everything to me
I was traumatized by that and can't fathom how the Republicans rationalize it.
Just had a day long argument with my mother, who'd rationalizing why it's OK my spouse just got fired from the feds, and she seems to think J6 was only about 4-6 hours long, so it's implausible that 1,500 or more would be arrested and convicted. That there must be shenanigans in the prosecution somehow.
I asked her if she had read the Jan 6 committee report. https://www.amazon.com/January-6-Report-6th-Committee/dp/0063315505. Nope.
Or Jack Smith's report. https://electionlawblog.org/wp-content/uploads/report-of-special-counsel-smith-volume-1-january-2025.pdf Nope.
Or Michael Fanone's book. Nope. Harry Dunn's? Nope. Aquilino Gonell's? Nope.
The Breach by a Republican congressman? Perhaps more believable to her. Nope. https://www.amazon.com/Breach-Untold-Story-Investigation-January/dp/1250866766
Has she viewed body worn camera footage? Nope.
Everyone needs to go to primary sources. The days are over where media was a reliable secondary source of information.
I would sit her down on the couch and pull it up on the TV.
Anonymous
03/21/2025 16:11
Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Impeach, remove from office ... That's it. The president is not faithfully executing our laws -- the highest crime imaginable. That's the message the opposition needs to have from now until the midterms. Win a majority in house. 67 votes in the senate. Don't care if all think it's impossible. Make that the singular goal. Make it the only topic. Our nation does great at simple things. He does xyz, fine, ok, let's impeach him and remove him from office. Nothing else matters. That on repeat for the next 18 months. Rally everyone against him or what he does around this singular goal.
They don't have the votes. How do you not understand this?
Poor Dems. Don’t have the votes to impeach, don’t have the votes to win elections. But so sure they should be in charge! No wonder they hate the voters so much.
Anonymous
03/21/2025 16:09
Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Substance. People want substance from their leaders. The packaging doesn't matter. Continue to try to shove neo-liberalism and corporatism down the throats of the electorate and it does not matter if your candidate is a white woman, a gay man, a black man, or what have you. It DOES NOT MATTER. It's the lack of substance that people are rejecting.
People are struggling to afford a basic standard of living. The GOP offers no solutions, but they do offer an outlet for their fear and anger. The Democrats only shot at countering fear and anger is with real substantive solutions. Raise the freaking minimum wage. Pass parental leave laws. Gut the for-profit medical industry. Address corruption and money in politics ON BOTH SIDES. Make owning a home a realistic dream for young people again. Make retirement a realistic dream for young people again. Make raising a family economically possible without a 6-figure salary again. Make it so every dang job can't require a masters degree while paying us poverty wages.
Stop arguing about what the candidate should look like and start talking about what people NEED and the solutions we can offer them to win their support.
The problem is that Trump’s challenge to the swamp forced Dems into a corner where we are now very pro-establishment. Democrats now believe and assert that the for-profit medical industry is not corrupt, and that anyone questioning it should be censored. Democrats can’t address corruption in government, they believe and assert that there is no corruption on the Democratic side, or even much wasteful spending at all. Democrats believe and assert that Biden’s economy was very strong, and that the affordability crisis is exaggerated by Trump voters. We came to these positions organically—we wanted to oppose Trump everywhere and always. But our pro-establishment stance is killing us in this climate of anti-establishment voters wanting change
These are very extreme interpretations of democrat beliefs. I don’t think any democrat believes there’s zero government waste, but they also do believe that the government isn’t a complete waste of resources and we should fund cancer, HIV, and epidemiological research, we shouldn’t delete whole departments because we think they aren’t 100% efficient, we shouldn’t fire thousands of Americans from their jobs either. Dems are some of the most critical of the healthcare industry around, but they also do believe in vaccines and medicine
This is just a convoluted way of admitting I’m right. These are very pro-establishment beliefs in the eyes of average voters, even if they feel wise and nuanced to you.
NP How is that "pro-establishment"? Serious question.
It’s pro-establishment to fight against audits and cost-cutting in government (while grudgingly admitting that okay maybe there is some waste) and it’s pro-establishment to promote for-profit corporate pharmaceutical products and insist that people should “believe” captured regulators (while grudgingly admitting that okay maybe the bloated health care industry is kind of corrupt). Defenders of corrupt systems don’t get to pat themselves on the back as reformers just because they admit the corruption as a side note).
Anonymous
03/21/2025 16:01
Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Substance. People want substance from their leaders. The packaging doesn't matter. Continue to try to shove neo-liberalism and corporatism down the throats of the electorate and it does not matter if your candidate is a white woman, a gay man, a black man, or what have you. It DOES NOT MATTER. It's the lack of substance that people are rejecting.
People are struggling to afford a basic standard of living. The GOP offers no solutions, but they do offer an outlet for their fear and anger. The Democrats only shot at countering fear and anger is with real substantive solutions. Raise the freaking minimum wage. Pass parental leave laws. Gut the for-profit medical industry. Address corruption and money in politics ON BOTH SIDES. Make owning a home a realistic dream for young people again. Make retirement a realistic dream for young people again. Make raising a family economically possible without a 6-figure salary again. Make it so every dang job can't require a masters degree while paying us poverty wages.
Stop arguing about what the candidate should look like and start talking about what people NEED and the solutions we can offer them to win their support.
The problem is that Trump’s challenge to the swamp forced Dems into a corner where we are now very pro-establishment. Democrats now believe and assert that the for-profit medical industry is not corrupt, and that anyone questioning it should be censored. Democrats can’t address corruption in government, they believe and assert that there is no corruption on the Democratic side, or even much wasteful spending at all. Democrats believe and assert that Biden’s economy was very strong, and that the affordability crisis is exaggerated by Trump voters. We came to these positions organically—we wanted to oppose Trump everywhere and always. But our pro-establishment stance is killing us in this climate of anti-establishment voters wanting change
These are very extreme interpretations of democrat beliefs. I don’t think any democrat believes there’s zero government waste, but they also do believe that the government isn’t a complete waste of resources and we should fund cancer, HIV, and epidemiological research, we shouldn’t delete whole departments because we think they aren’t 100% efficient, we shouldn’t fire thousands of Americans from their jobs either. Dems are some of the most critical of the healthcare industry around, but they also do believe in vaccines and medicine
This is just a convoluted way of admitting I’m right. These are very pro-establishment beliefs in the eyes of average voters, even if they feel wise and nuanced to you.
NP How is that "pro-establishment"? Serious question.
Anonymous
03/21/2025 16:00
Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:Impeach, remove from office ... That's it. The president is not faithfully executing our laws -- the highest crime imaginable. That's the message the opposition needs to have from now until the midterms. Win a majority in house. 67 votes in the senate. Don't care if all think it's impossible. Make that the singular goal. Make it the only topic. Our nation does great at simple things. He does xyz, fine, ok, let's impeach him and remove him from office. Nothing else matters. That on repeat for the next 18 months. Rally everyone against him or what he does around this singular goal.
They don't have the votes. How do you not understand this?
Anonymous
03/21/2025 15:57
Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Why would you feel the need to lecture people about “belief” in for-profit corporate pharmaceutical products and the need to “trust” captured regulators if you know the industry is corrupt? Seems like a strange use of time and energy for “reformers.” Why would you feel the need to freak out and “resist” and “fight” audits and cost-cutting and layoffs if you agree there’s waste and you know we’re borrowing an extra $2 trillion a year to fund the waste?
Like I said, Democrats have become fierce defenders of the Establishment.
The party isn’t even anti-war anymore. You sound like spoken for the military industrial complex. Slava Ukraini!
Like I said, Democrats have become fierce defenders of the Establishment.
The party isn’t even anti-war anymore. You sound like spoken for the military industrial complex. Slava Ukraini!
Anonymous
03/21/2025 15:51
Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Substance. People want substance from their leaders. The packaging doesn't matter. Continue to try to shove neo-liberalism and corporatism down the throats of the electorate and it does not matter if your candidate is a white woman, a gay man, a black man, or what have you. It DOES NOT MATTER. It's the lack of substance that people are rejecting.
People are struggling to afford a basic standard of living. The GOP offers no solutions, but they do offer an outlet for their fear and anger. The Democrats only shot at countering fear and anger is with real substantive solutions. Raise the freaking minimum wage. Pass parental leave laws. Gut the for-profit medical industry. Address corruption and money in politics ON BOTH SIDES. Make owning a home a realistic dream for young people again. Make retirement a realistic dream for young people again. Make raising a family economically possible without a 6-figure salary again. Make it so every dang job can't require a masters degree while paying us poverty wages.
Stop arguing about what the candidate should look like and start talking about what people NEED and the solutions we can offer them to win their support.
The problem is that Trump’s challenge to the swamp forced Dems into a corner where we are now very pro-establishment. Democrats now believe and assert that the for-profit medical industry is not corrupt, and that anyone questioning it should be censored. Democrats can’t address corruption in government, they believe and assert that there is no corruption on the Democratic side, or even much wasteful spending at all. Democrats believe and assert that Biden’s economy was very strong, and that the affordability crisis is exaggerated by Trump voters. We came to these positions organically—we wanted to oppose Trump everywhere and always. But our pro-establishment stance is killing us in this climate of anti-establishment voters wanting change
These are very extreme interpretations of democrat beliefs. I don’t think any democrat believes there’s zero government waste, but they also do believe that the government isn’t a complete waste of resources and we should fund cancer, HIV, and epidemiological research, we shouldn’t delete whole departments because we think they aren’t 100% efficient, we shouldn’t fire thousands of Americans from their jobs either. Dems are some of the most critical of the healthcare industry around, but they also do believe in vaccines and medicine
This is just a convoluted way of admitting I’m right. These are very pro-establishment beliefs in the eyes of average voters, even if they feel wise and nuanced to you.
Anonymous
03/21/2025 15:50
Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:Any proof of this “whites screamed at for eating outside” nonsense?
Sorry, not buying it