Anonymous
03/15/2025 21:34
Subject: 60% of girls say they want college, only 46% of boys
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2025/03/13/the-gender-gap-in-teen-experiences/
Seems like the gender gap in college education will persist?
I think it’s ridiculous that 50-60% of people go to college.
Too high or too low?
Anonymous
03/15/2025 21:20
Subject: 60% of girls say they want college, only 46% of boys
Anonymous wrote:https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2025/03/13/the-gender-gap-in-teen-experiences/
Seems like the gender gap in college education will persist?
I think it’s ridiculous that 50-60% of people go to college.
Anonymous
03/15/2025 21:08
Subject: 60% of girls say they want college, only 46% of boys
Anonymous wrote:Who will our daughters marry then?
No worries, and I say this with all seriousness. Alot of successful, educated women marry “down”. Lots of senior level women at my corporate job have low-achieving husbands, househusbands, SAHD husbands etc. That seems to be the norm among that cohort UNLESS they don’t have kids. In that case, the husband may or may not have a good career like the wife. I can also think of a couple high achieving exec women at work who are single, either via divorce or never married.
Anonymous
03/15/2025 20:55
Subject: 60% of girls say they want college, only 46% of boys
Anonymous wrote:Who will our daughters marry then?
Each other?
Anonymous
03/15/2025 20:55
Subject: 60% of girls say they want college, only 46% of boys
Anonymous wrote:Who will our daughters marry then?
I don’t think men ever asked themselves this question when they vastly outnumbered women in college.
Anonymous
03/15/2025 20:53
Subject: 60% of girls say they want college, only 46% of boys
Who will our daughters marry then?
Anonymous
03/15/2025 19:27
Subject: 60% of girls say they want college, only 46% of boys
I wonder what other countries might be doing right, to educate their boys.
Anonymous
03/15/2025 18:46
Subject: 60% of girls say they want college, only 46% of boys
Anonymous wrote:So … basically most boys need DEI to compete with girls. Otherwise the girls blow them out of the water.
Mediocre white boys and men were able to succeed despite their mediocrity for hundreds of years. As soon as the tables started to turn, they went MAGA.
You miss the point completely. There is a reason that boys are not thriving in school. Read Boys Adrift or any of the many articles about how boys learn differently from girls. We have failed them for the past 20 years. We drug them, scold them for acting as typical boys do and do everything in our power to not let them be boys. Smart and Athletic boys seem to do better then average and non athletic boys. And those populations in themselves represent a lot of boys. These problems start by beating down their confidence starting in preschool.
Anonymous
03/15/2025 18:39
Subject: 60% of girls say they want college, only 46% of boys
Anonymous wrote:Thinking back to my generation, recess was incredibly important for boys in elementary and middle school. It was all sports and games. That was key not only as an outlet for all the physical energy boys have, but it also helped socialize boys. It was kind of a tribal thing. You learned how to get along and that there were tribal consequences for going too far or for being mean. You developed friendships and you were also a part of something. In my day, there was a 15 minute recess in the morning, an hour during lunch when you could out and play, and another 15 minute recess in the afternoon. I think that's pretty important for boys.
Later, in high school, I recall that the school accommodated different interests and academic levels. My school had a pretty popular auto mechanics class. And there was also Shop, which was mostly boys using tools and building things. Boys started to be tracked. There were the AP boys and the auto mechanic boys. There was space for everyone.
All that seems to be gone now. No Child Left Behind was pretty disastrous for a lot of boys. That got rid of recess and things like Shop. And it's only gotten worse in subsequent years. It's all testing all the time. Boring. Then throw in screens and social media, which is both isolating and treacherous for teenagers. All parents, but particularly the parents of boys, have to work hard to counter the effects of factory-like schools and social media. It's hard.
But I think that's why you see a lot of differentiation in how boys are doing between UMC and lower class households. UMC families have more resources and education to ensure their kid doesn't got lost in the system. And too many lower class boys are left to sink or swim in factory schools that don't accommodate a boys need to run around, to be part of teams, and to build things with their hands. And then the influence of phones and social media are, of course, toxic to teen boys, not least because it inhibits a boys willingness to take risks in their day to day interactions with people. So they withdraw. It's all very sad. We have lost our way with how we educate boys.
Very insightful post. Thanks.
Anonymous
03/15/2025 18:38
Subject: 60% of girls say they want college, only 46% of boys
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for people to talk about how teaching has changed to be more advantageous to girls.
Less recess.
I don’t know any parents of boys OR girls who thinks less recess is a good thing.
Anonymous
03/15/2025 18:37
Subject: 60% of girls say they want college, only 46% of boys
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, but it's not a systemic thing, it's BAD PARENTING. Parents have just assumed for so long that their boys are going to do well that they have been completely ignoring them throughout their entire childhoods, and then they become young men, and boom! Boymoms blame the system instead of themselves for not encouraging independence and providing enrichment for them. Want STEM for your boys? Find clubs for them to join, there are plenty - look at all the First Lego leagues. Want outdoorsmanship for your boys? Surprise! There's Boy Scouts (or whatever it's called now). Want your boy to do track and field? Rec leagues offer a million and five sports options every season! Art classes accept boys, all the math enrichment programs accept boys, all sort of things available to your boys, ladies, STOP IGNORNIG THEM.
+1. It’s a lot easier to blame others and the system for your parenting failure. There are no shortages of opportunities for white boys. They fail because their parents enabled them.
Where is the evidence that parents of girls parent better?
+1
I have polite, smart sons that got into Ivies unhooked. They have serious grit and empathy for others. Fit, athletic, non-drinkers, etc.
We did a damn good job- lol
Girl mom here and I have to admit that both of my DDs have boyfriends who are spectacular kids. Kind, respectful, smart, and ambitious. Their parents definitely raised them right!
I raised my kid right and he is all those things. But teachers treated him horribly the first 18 years of his life and he was profoundly despressed for quite a lot of it as a result. His dad and I were his champions, so he made it through, even has one of his best friends committed suicide junior year and another classmate died of an overdose as a result of serious depression. Those of you who don't have boys who struggle in this thread are not just heartless but also without a clue.
What kid of crazy place did you raise your kid? My sons both did well in school and doing well in college. Their friends are also well adjusted and doing well…know nobody that committed suicide or overdosed.
+1 Sounds like the ghetto
DP. Suicide and drug use occurs across all socioeconomic groups. You and the PP should kindly STFU.
Anonymous
03/15/2025 18:35
Subject: 60% of girls say they want college, only 46% of boys
Pp I don’t think we should track of the toxicity of social media and societal expectations to girls too. Yes they perform better in school and in college. But they also have higher reported levels of anxiety and depression not to mention struggles with people pleasing/not setting limits. The expectations we have for girls socially is a lot of pressure and there is evidence that academic expectation starts young for girls.
I see the negatives on both side having both boys and a daughter. I guess my point is that this academic success we see in girls isn’t necessarily all great if our girls feel overwhelmed and anxious.
I see the negatives on both side having both boys and a daughter. I guess my point is that this academic success we see in girls isn’t necessarily all great if our girls feel overwhelmed and anxious.
Anonymous
03/15/2025 18:32
Subject: 60% of girls say they want college, only 46% of boys
Thinking back to my generation, recess was incredibly important for boys in elementary and middle school. It was all sports and games. That was key not only as an outlet for all the physical energy boys have, but it also helped socialize boys. It was kind of a tribal thing. You learned how to get along and that there were tribal consequences for going too far or for being mean. You developed friendships and you were also a part of something. In my day, there was a 15 minute recess in the morning, an hour during lunch when you could out and play, and another 15 minute recess in the afternoon. I think that's pretty important for boys.
Later, in high school, I recall that the school accommodated different interests and academic levels. My school had a pretty popular auto mechanics class. And there was also Shop, which was mostly boys using tools and building things. Boys started to be tracked. There were the AP boys and the auto mechanic boys. There was space for everyone.
All that seems to be gone now. No Child Left Behind was pretty disastrous for a lot of boys. That got rid of recess and things like Shop. And it's only gotten worse in subsequent years. It's all testing all the time. Boring. Then throw in screens and social media, which is both isolating and treacherous for teenagers. All parents, but particularly the parents of boys, have to work hard to counter the effects of factory-like schools and social media. It's hard.
But I think that's why you see a lot of differentiation in how boys are doing between UMC and lower class households. UMC families have more resources and education to ensure their kid doesn't got lost in the system. And too many lower class boys are left to sink or swim in factory schools that don't accommodate a boys need to run around, to be part of teams, and to build things with their hands. And then the influence of phones and social media are, of course, toxic to teen boys, not least because it inhibits a boys willingness to take risks in their day to day interactions with people. So they withdraw. It's all very sad. We have lost our way with how we educate boys.
Later, in high school, I recall that the school accommodated different interests and academic levels. My school had a pretty popular auto mechanics class. And there was also Shop, which was mostly boys using tools and building things. Boys started to be tracked. There were the AP boys and the auto mechanic boys. There was space for everyone.
All that seems to be gone now. No Child Left Behind was pretty disastrous for a lot of boys. That got rid of recess and things like Shop. And it's only gotten worse in subsequent years. It's all testing all the time. Boring. Then throw in screens and social media, which is both isolating and treacherous for teenagers. All parents, but particularly the parents of boys, have to work hard to counter the effects of factory-like schools and social media. It's hard.
But I think that's why you see a lot of differentiation in how boys are doing between UMC and lower class households. UMC families have more resources and education to ensure their kid doesn't got lost in the system. And too many lower class boys are left to sink or swim in factory schools that don't accommodate a boys need to run around, to be part of teams, and to build things with their hands. And then the influence of phones and social media are, of course, toxic to teen boys, not least because it inhibits a boys willingness to take risks in their day to day interactions with people. So they withdraw. It's all very sad. We have lost our way with how we educate boys.
Anonymous
03/15/2025 18:30
Subject: 60% of girls say they want college, only 46% of boys
Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for people to talk about how teaching has changed to be more advantageous to girls.
Some of it is biological according to NYT article about this - boys mature later than girls do, yet the academic expectations of the younger grades has increased over time as have testing standards which affect how classroom time is utilized (prep to test bc experiential).
Recess used to be 60-90 min daily, unstructured. That was early to mid 20th century. Yet weekly recess time has decreased by sixty minutes since just 2001.
Anonymous
03/15/2025 18:21
Subject: 60% of girls say they want college, only 46% of boys
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, but it's not a systemic thing, it's BAD PARENTING. Parents have just assumed for so long that their boys are going to do well that they have been completely ignoring them throughout their entire childhoods, and then they become young men, and boom! Boymoms blame the system instead of themselves for not encouraging independence and providing enrichment for them. Want STEM for your boys? Find clubs for them to join, there are plenty - look at all the First Lego leagues. Want outdoorsmanship for your boys? Surprise! There's Boy Scouts (or whatever it's called now). Want your boy to do track and field? Rec leagues offer a million and five sports options every season! Art classes accept boys, all the math enrichment programs accept boys, all sort of things available to your boys, ladies, STOP IGNORNIG THEM.
+1. It’s a lot easier to blame others and the system for your parenting failure. There are no shortages of opportunities for white boys. They fail because their parents enabled them.
Where is the evidence that parents of girls parent better?
That’s not an answer.