Anonymous
02/25/2025 09:27
Subject: Why do atheists and anti-theists care about the beliefs of religious people?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why do you care what atheists think?
Same reason, just the opposite perspective.
I will note that not one atheist I know complains when a theist attempts to defend their position. They relish the chance to discuss it, in fact.
Wonder why that is?
When atheists represent God incorrectly (God gives babies cancer) is when I care.
If I posted that atheists sacrifice babies to Satan you would care, because it’s an obvious and disgusting lie.
Constantly posting that God gives babies cancer and allows them to suffer and dir because He is a cruel bastard is definitely on that level. It’s not true.
Atheist here and I wouldn’t care. Maybe some atheists do? That doesn’t mean all do, and I know that I don’t.
I know who I am and what I believe. Words can’t hurt me, but they can teach me. I keep an open, critical mind. Maybe ask yourself why you feel defensive if someone criticizes your religion or the actions of people who share your religion? Or not. It’s your life.
Critical examination of religion is great.
Repeating that God gives babies cancer is not critical examination of religious beliefs.
Is stating that atheists sacrifice babies to Satan critical examination of atheism?
Do you think that atheists believe Satan exists?
Trying to follow the “logic” here…
Atheists are insisting that God gives babies cancer.
If atheists believe God gives babies cancer, why would they not believe in Satan?
Ummmm…
Atheists don’t believe that gods give babies cancer.
The point is that if you believe in an omnipotent god then that god does give babies cancer.
Citation?
Excuse you? Citations are for things that can be proven scientifically. The existence of god has never been proven and published in a peer-reviewed journal.
Science cannot prove the existence of God because God is considered a supernatural entity, and science is limited to studying the natural world.
Science is limited.
So you also believe in unicorns, dragons, and ghosts?
Anonymous
02/25/2025 09:27
Subject: Why do atheists and anti-theists care about the beliefs of religious people?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Try a search on this topic. It's been here before.
My take? I don't care what you believe or practice as long as it doesn't harm anyone (including through restriction of freedoms, such as the FLDS) and you don't bring it to my doorstep.
I wouldn’t care either if it was like someone’s favorite flavor of ice cream for example…totally innocuous and almost entirely inside their own heads. However, even discounting the more blatant harms that Bible believers sometimes commit, there are insidious harms that destroy families and lives every single day. I can cite examples if you want but I have personal knowledge of many people and the harm that was done to them. Including some who no longer are welcome in their families , who have had siblings commit suicide due to shunning , etc etc.
And before anyone says “that’s just the fringe or the fundamentalists “, no it is not. Not to mention , as has been stated by many , moderate Christianity gives cover to the more extreme versions. And at least one of those extreme versions wants to make this country into a Christian taliban and sincerely believes that god is now in charge. Look up what the current speaker of the house believes and what he and other Christian nationalists are trying to accomplish for their god.
Some scary crap. Much scarier than someone’s opinion on an ice cream flavor ..
This is why “atheists care”.
Imagine you’re atheist.
And you see an extreme atheist group pops up.
“Your moderate group gives cover to that extreme group.”
Do extreme views take away from the truth of what you feel, that there is no God?
This is the argument you’re attempting, and it doesn’t follow.
Anonymous
02/25/2025 09:26
Subject: Why do atheists and anti-theists care about the beliefs of religious people?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Religious people constantly try to get others to join the faith. Why do you think it's so weird that non religious people might do the same? It's obviously popular among many different groups to try to get others to believe as you do.
Well from a Christian perspective it is literally part of the faith to bring others to Christ. We are called to The Great Commission. To share the Good News the Jesus died on the cross for your sins and my sins…to pay the price for that sin FOR us—that all who put their faith in Him and accept this grace are forgiven and will live eternally with God in heaven.
That’s the pay-off. That we are serving the will of God by sharing the gospel. And we would be selfish and UN-Christlike to be silent about this and keep the news of this opportunity for salvation only unto ourselves.
For atheists who want to convert others, I’m not clear on the point apart from convincing others to walk in darkness with them? What is the pay off? I don’t know.
+1
Agree.
It’s more than people randomly deciding “hey I want my club to have more members than yours so I think I’ll recruit you”
The implications for Christians is that He is the way, the truth, and the life. Nd since the Bible tells us “no one comes to the Father except by me” then a believer in Christ —if they care about you at all—will want you to have salvation too.
IMO, if you know a Christian who doesn’t attempt to ever share Christ with you, they either don’t like/care about you that much or they don’t really believe in salvation.
On the surface it seems “nice” and “polite” to go about your own life and keep your faith to yourself and never worry about what others believe. But to me that’s like saying if your house is on fire and you saw your neighbors house on fire too, you can just grab a hose and put out your own house fire, but don’t even tell your neighbor about the hose because it’s not your business and your neighbor can figure it out.
If you can reveal a solution that will save your neighbor, but you decide to keep it to yourself because they might find it impolite or offensive for you to share, is that justifiable?
Anonymous
02/25/2025 09:23
Subject: Why do atheists and anti-theists care about the beliefs of religious people?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:BC they enjoy trolling and being insufferably annoying. Maybe that's their true religion.
sounds like it's yours.
No, I'm Catholic. Atheists can be very pita. On one hand they can be insecure that you get something out of your faith and then on the other pissed off that you don't agree with what is in their mind their superior atheist insights. Usually an insufferably annoying white male left-leaning know-it-all.
Atheism is primarily white males.
Atheists and agnostics are particularly likely to be non-Hispanic whites. Fully eight-in-ten atheists and agnostics (82%) are white, 3% are black, 6% are Hispanic, and the remainder is of some other race or of mixed race.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2012/10/09/nones-on-the-rise-demographics/#:~:text=Atheists%20and%20agnostics%20are%20particularly%20likely%20to%20be%20non%2DHispanic,race%20or%20of%20mixed%20race
Atheists are 64% male, according to the same citation.
So white males are disparaging religious people, hmmmm. That’s certainly a vibe.
Many white males are religious, as well. and many atheists are women.
82% of atheists are men, and 64% of those men are white.
Anonymous
02/25/2025 09:21
Subject: Why do atheists and anti-theists care about the beliefs of religious people?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why do you care what atheists think?
Same reason, just the opposite perspective.
I will note that not one atheist I know complains when a theist attempts to defend their position. They relish the chance to discuss it, in fact.
Wonder why that is?
When atheists represent God incorrectly (God gives babies cancer) is when I care.
If I posted that atheists sacrifice babies to Satan you would care, because it’s an obvious and disgusting lie.
Constantly posting that God gives babies cancer and allows them to suffer and dir because He is a cruel bastard is definitely on that level. It’s not true.
Atheist here and I wouldn’t care. Maybe some atheists do? That doesn’t mean all do, and I know that I don’t.
I know who I am and what I believe. Words can’t hurt me, but they can teach me. I keep an open, critical mind. Maybe ask yourself why you feel defensive if someone criticizes your religion or the actions of people who share your religion? Or not. It’s your life.
Critical examination of religion is great.
Repeating that God gives babies cancer is not critical examination of religious beliefs.
Is stating that atheists sacrifice babies to Satan critical examination of atheism?
Do you think that atheists believe Satan exists?
Trying to follow the “logic” here…
Atheists are insisting that God gives babies cancer.
If atheists believe God gives babies cancer, why would they not believe in Satan?
Ummmm…
Atheists don’t believe that gods give babies cancer.
The point is that if you believe in an omnipotent god then that god does give babies cancer.
Citation?
Excuse you? Citations are for things that can be proven scientifically. The existence of god has never been proven and published in a peer-reviewed journal.
Science cannot prove the existence of God because God is considered a supernatural entity, and science is limited to studying the natural world.
Science is limited.
First of all, you are making a claim with no evidence. So that cam be dismissed without evidence.
Second, you are demonstrably wrong. Science can examine anything that interacts with us or our natural world. If god does so, science can detect him. If he does not, then how do you know his nature, or even if there is one?
Third, how’s about ANY evidence, scientific or otherwise? The scientific process is the best way to examine a thing, but it is not the only way.
So your post fails 3X, at a minimum.
Science relies on empirical evidence gathered through observation and experimentation, which cannot be applied to a concept like God.
Anonymous
02/25/2025 09:19
Subject: Why do atheists and anti-theists care about the beliefs of religious people?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:BC they enjoy trolling and being insufferably annoying. Maybe that's their true religion.
sounds like it's yours.
No, I'm Catholic. Atheists can be very pita. On one hand they can be insecure that you get something out of your faith and then on the other pissed off that you don't agree with what is in their mind their superior atheist insights. Usually an insufferably annoying white male left-leaning know-it-all.
Atheism is primarily white males.
Atheists and agnostics are particularly likely to be non-Hispanic whites. Fully eight-in-ten atheists and agnostics (82%) are white, 3% are black, 6% are Hispanic, and the remainder is of some other race or of mixed race.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2012/10/09/nones-on-the-rise-demographics/#:~:text=Atheists%20and%20agnostics%20are%20particularly%20likely%20to%20be%20non%2DHispanic,race%20or%20of%20mixed%20race
Atheists are 64% male, according to the same citation.
So white males are disparaging religious people, hmmmm. That’s certainly a vibe.
Many white males are religious, as well. and many atheists are women.
Anonymous
02/25/2025 09:18
Subject: Why do atheists and anti-theists care about the beliefs of religious people?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why do you care what atheists think?
Same reason, just the opposite perspective.
I will note that not one atheist I know complains when a theist attempts to defend their position. They relish the chance to discuss it, in fact.
Wonder why that is?
When atheists represent God incorrectly (God gives babies cancer) is when I care.
If I posted that atheists sacrifice babies to Satan you would care, because it’s an obvious and disgusting lie.
Constantly posting that God gives babies cancer and allows them to suffer and dir because He is a cruel bastard is definitely on that level. It’s not true.
Atheist here and I wouldn’t care. Maybe some atheists do? That doesn’t mean all do, and I know that I don’t.
I know who I am and what I believe. Words can’t hurt me, but they can teach me. I keep an open, critical mind. Maybe ask yourself why you feel defensive if someone criticizes your religion or the actions of people who share your religion? Or not. It’s your life.
Critical examination of religion is great.
Repeating that God gives babies cancer is not critical examination of religious beliefs.
Is stating that atheists sacrifice babies to Satan critical examination of atheism?
Do you think that atheists believe Satan exists?
Trying to follow the “logic” here…
Atheists are insisting that God gives babies cancer.
If atheists believe God gives babies cancer, why would they not believe in Satan?
Ummmm…
Atheists don’t believe that gods give babies cancer.
The point is that if you believe in an omnipotent god then that god does give babies cancer.
Citation?
Excuse you? Citations are for things that can be proven scientifically. The existence of god has never been proven and published in a peer-reviewed journal.
Science cannot prove the existence of God because God is considered a supernatural entity, and science is limited to studying the natural world.
Science is limited.
First of all, you are making a claim with no evidence. So that cam be dismissed without evidence.
Second, you are demonstrably wrong. Science can examine anything that interacts with us or our natural world. If god does so, science can detect him. If he does not, then how do you know his nature, or even if there is one?
Third, how’s about ANY evidence, scientific or otherwise? The scientific process is the best way to examine a thing, but it is not the only way.
So your post fails 3X, at a minimum.
Anonymous
02/25/2025 09:18
Subject: Why do atheists and anti-theists care about the beliefs of religious people?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Religious people constantly try to get others to join the faith. Why do you think it's so weird that non religious people might do the same? It's obviously popular among many different groups to try to get others to believe as you do.
Well from a Christian perspective it is literally part of the faith to bring others to Christ. We are called to The Great Commission. To share the Good News the Jesus died on the cross for your sins and my sins…to pay the price for that sin FOR us—that all who put their faith in Him and accept this grace are forgiven and will live eternally with God in heaven.
That’s the pay-off. That we are serving the will of God by sharing the gospel. And we would be selfish and UN-Christlike to be silent about this and keep the news of this opportunity for salvation only unto ourselves.
For atheists who want to convert others, I’m not clear on the point apart from convincing others to walk in darkness with them? What is the pay off? I don’t know.
Don’t forget, they tend to call religious people dumb and ignorant before they want them to walk off in the darkness with them.
Doesn’t that sound great? Walking in the dark with someone who doesn’t like you!
Anonymous
02/25/2025 09:13
Subject: Why do atheists and anti-theists care about the beliefs of religious people?
Anonymous wrote:Religious people constantly try to get others to join the faith. Why do you think it's so weird that non religious people might do the same? It's obviously popular among many different groups to try to get others to believe as you do.
Well from a Christian perspective it is literally part of the faith to bring others to Christ. We are called to The Great Commission. To share the Good News the Jesus died on the cross for your sins and my sins…to pay the price for that sin FOR us—that all who put their faith in Him and accept this grace are forgiven and will live eternally with God in heaven.
That’s the pay-off. That we are serving the will of God by sharing the gospel. And we would be selfish and UN-Christlike to be silent about this and keep the news of this opportunity for salvation only unto ourselves.
For atheists who want to convert others, I’m not clear on the point apart from convincing others to walk in darkness with them? What is the pay off? I don’t know.
Anonymous
02/25/2025 09:04
Subject: Why do atheists and anti-theists care about the beliefs of religious people?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I mean there's literally a Psalm that says "happy are they that seize their infants and dash them against rocks".
The Bible is pretty violent.
There is a ton of violence in the Bible. Yes. What's your point?
Unlike today! No violence in the world today!
Anonymous
02/25/2025 09:03
Subject: Why do atheists and anti-theists care about the beliefs of religious people?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Religious people constantly try to get others to join the faith. Why do you think it's so weird that non religious people might do the same? It's obviously popular among many different groups to try to get others to believe as you do.
I see the moderation team deleting any posts that are considered proselytizing by Christians on this forum.
Why are atheists and anti-theists allowed to proselytize here but not Christians?
Seriously? Generations haven't been allowed to speak
Generations? Of whom? White males? What a loss! /s
What will we ever do without the advice and guidance from white males? 🤡
Anonymous
02/25/2025 09:02
Subject: Why do atheists and anti-theists care about the beliefs of religious people?
Anonymous wrote:I mean there's literally a Psalm that says "happy are they that seize their infants and dash them against rocks".
The Bible is pretty violent.
There is a ton of violence in the Bible. Yes. What's your point?
Anonymous
02/25/2025 09:01
Subject: Why do atheists and anti-theists care about the beliefs of religious people?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Religious people constantly try to get others to join the faith. Why do you think it's so weird that non religious people might do the same? It's obviously popular among many different groups to try to get others to believe as you do.
I see the moderation team deleting any posts that are considered proselytizing by Christians on this forum.
Why are atheists and anti-theists allowed to proselytize here but not Christians?
Seriously? Generations haven't been allowed to speak
Anonymous
02/25/2025 08:59
Subject: Why do atheists and anti-theists care about the beliefs of religious people?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Oh and that bit about atheists being against religious freedom?
That’s total bullsh*t. Very dishonest.
It seems like when you see everything through the lens of religion (fake narrative) it becomes tough to lock in on reality.
Or, you simply misunderstand what that lens really is.
Anonymous
02/25/2025 08:55
Subject: Why do atheists and anti-theists care about the beliefs of religious people?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why do you care what atheists think?
Same reason, just the opposite perspective.
I will note that not one atheist I know complains when a theist attempts to defend their position. They relish the chance to discuss it, in fact.
Wonder why that is?
When atheists represent God incorrectly (God gives babies cancer) is when I care.
If I posted that atheists sacrifice babies to Satan you would care, because it’s an obvious and disgusting lie.
Constantly posting that God gives babies cancer and allows them to suffer and dir because He is a cruel bastard is definitely on that level. It’s not true.
Atheist here and I wouldn’t care. Maybe some atheists do? That doesn’t mean all do, and I know that I don’t.
I know who I am and what I believe. Words can’t hurt me, but they can teach me. I keep an open, critical mind. Maybe ask yourself why you feel defensive if someone criticizes your religion or the actions of people who share your religion? Or not. It’s your life.
Critical examination of religion is great.
Repeating that God gives babies cancer is not critical examination of religious beliefs.
Is stating that atheists sacrifice babies to Satan critical examination of atheism?
Do you think that atheists believe Satan exists?
Trying to follow the “logic” here…
Atheists are insisting that God gives babies cancer.
If atheists believe God gives babies cancer, why would they not believe in Satan?
Ummmm…
Atheists don’t believe that gods give babies cancer.
The point is that if you believe in an omnipotent god then that god does give babies cancer.
Citation?
Excuse you? Citations are for things that can be proven scientifically. The existence of god has never been proven and published in a peer-reviewed journal.
Science cannot prove the existence of God because God is considered a supernatural entity, and science is limited to studying the natural world.
Science is limited.