Anonymous wrote:Middle school children ALSO shouldn't be in school from 9:30 - 4:30, OP. NO CHILDREN SHOUDL BE IN SCHOOL THAT LATE.

IT DOESN’T MAKE YOU RIGHT JUST BECAUSE YOU YELL.

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Anonymous wrote:Well. A compromise is just that. Everyone must give up a little something. All 3 categories must flex by 30 minutes. It’s not even like the MS students are such great winners. With Option e they must start at 8am which is against the recommendation of the Pediatrics Acad. who wants all start times to occur later than 8:30am after much research and discussion. So, no one category is a big winner here.

Exactly. But the elem parents won’t compromise. They don’t understand anything bc they don’t have middle schoolers.

Honestly, I think they should shorten the day. My district had ES start at 9:15 but they were out at 3:45. I think if they shorten the day, that would help.

They can't. The state requires 180 days or 990 instructional hours. They go to school for 180 days but have 14 days of extra time built into the year by making each day a bit longer than required. Without that extra time, they'd need have extra days in the calendar in case of snow.

My elementary kids are at an early start ES and it really is an ideal time. They're up on their own at 7, have time to wake up, get dressed, eat, spend a little time playing and then they're on their way to school. After school, they're able to come home, get a snack, and decompress a bit before sports and other extracurriculars start in the afternoon. Moving our school back by 30 minutes wouldn't be devastating but it would be much less convenient.

I have friends with kids at a late start school. 30 minutes moves them from "doable" to "very inconvenient". Their kids are typically off the bus between 4:45 and 4:50 pm. Moving their schedule back by 30 minutes would make after school sports or activities not possible.

I also wonder what this would do to our elementary school teachers who live in other counties. Pushing elementary hours back so late throws late start teachers on the roads during peak rush hour time and if they have children, will they be able to secure care for the additional time?

I'd much prefer C2 and have my kids have a much earlier start time than pushing elementary kids back so late in the day.

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Anonymous wrote:Elementary teacher here. I taught many years in a very early start school and then in one with a later start date-later by an hour. The early start was so much better. At the late school, kids were toast by three. Little kids are often up very early, and many went to morning day care, so by the time they got to school, they’d been up for two or three hours already and were done with following directions. There’s not really a good way to manage this with all the factors.

The good news is… we are only talking about 30 minutes, not 2 hours! But, thanks for playing, Op!

LADY. 9:50 - 4:45 IS STUPID FOR ANY CHILD AT ANY AGE. GET IT TOGETHER.

DP. Are you always this unpleasant? My kids would love those times. The later the better.

Anonymous wrote:We were at a 9:20 start time ES and had no issues with the start or end time. My kids loved sleeping in until 8:30 or so.

Same here. My elementary school students thrive with a late start time.

Wow. Just an observation. This thread has not been up for full 12 hours and almost as many posts as the MS thread that started 4 days ago. Did ES families really not read all the announcements about school times, because that it impacts ES is not new.

Anonymous wrote:If you have 3 kids spaced out by 2 years, then you are dealing with the middle school operational hours for 6 years. Things really need to improve for middle schoolers.

This isn't about YOU. Your STUDENT can deal for 2 years. You, as a PARENT, are not considered here, not should you be.

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Anonymous wrote:Elementary teacher here. I taught many years in a very early start school and then in one with a later start date-later by an hour. The early start was so much better. At the late school, kids were toast by three. Little kids are often up very early, and many went to morning day care, so by the time they got to school, they’d been up for two or three hours already and were done with following directions. There’s not really a good way to manage this with all the factors.

The good news is… we are only talking about 30 minutes, not 2 hours! But, thanks for playing, Op!

LADY. 9:50 - 4:45 IS STUPID FOR ANY CHILD AT ANY AGE. GET IT TOGETHER.

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Anonymous wrote:Option E reads as 9-3:45 or 9:50-4:35pm. Both are part of the ES solution. It’s not all ES gets a 9:50 start.

Ok ok, so only half of the elementary schools get screwed. In that case, carry on!

Well, that does impact less overall. Excellent point!

There are more than 140 elementary schools in FCPS!

I have been teaching for 25 years. I teach at an ES that currently starts at 9:20. Students in pre-K through 2nd are exhausted by 3. This change would put our school at the latest time. These kids would have this developmentally inappropriate schedule for 7-8 years! Kids getting home at dinner time and being at home or daycare in the AM when they are most ready to learn is not in the best interest of elementary—aged students.

what do you think kids in SACC programs are doing? Some are picked up at 6pm. Your comments are ignorant.

You do understand that they are playing and having fun in SACC, right? That's very different than sitting at a desk in their classroom.

Gosh, some of you just have no idea at all what you're talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:Option E reads as 9-3:45 or 9:50-4:35pm. Both are part of the ES solution. It’s not all ES gets a 9:50 start.

This would mean out ES would start even earlier!!!! People on here do realize not every ES starts at same time now. If go to board docs in MS thread, there is exhibit tells all start and end times. For some E will be earlier and for some later.

Thank you. ES start times are all staggered currently and they would be all staggered in the solution. So, things are not so bleak as crazy Op makes you want to believe. All ES are not getting the latest time block as she keeps trying to infer as a scare tactic. I know we all resist change but please retain some flexibility for the betterment of the whole district’s children.

You are selfish and don't care about children at late start schools. Got it. Thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:Well. A compromise is just that. Everyone must give up a little something. All 3 categories must flex by 30 minutes. It’s not even like the MS students are such great winners. With Option e they must start at 8am which is against the recommendation of the Pediatrics Acad. who wants all start times to occur later than 8:30am after much research and discussion. So, no one category is a big winner here.

Exactly. But the elem parents won’t compromise. They don’t understand anything bc they don’t have middle schoolers.

You're nuts. There are a lot of families that have elementary schoolers and middle schoolers. I have a 3rd grader and a 6th grader. This change impacts me no matter what.

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Anonymous wrote:Option E reads as 9-3:45 or 9:50-4:35pm. Both are part of the ES solution. It’s not all ES gets a 9:50 start.

No. A footnote in the presentation says for option E "All ES shift by 30 minutes from current SST."

currently ES runs from 8:30-3:15 to 9:20-4:05. So, it runs the gamut in between currently. With Opt e it sounds like it will run the gamut from 9am-3:45 to 9:50-4:35. Not so bad after all.[b] Each ES gets a 30 min adjustment.

It's bad for the late start schools but because your children don't go to one of those, you don't care. I get it. You're a selfish b_.

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Anonymous wrote:Option E reads as 9-3:45 or 9:50-4:35pm. Both are part of the ES solution. It’s not all ES gets a 9:50 start.

Ok ok, so only half of the elementary schools get screwed. In that case, carry on!

Op's post made it sound like every ES will be affected and negatively at that.
It's mis-leading esp since some ES are already "late" starts.

Yes, every school is starting 30 minutes later under option E. You sound stupid.

The demand for before care will skyrocket and there not enough businesses out there to step up, it will be a crisis if half of the elementaries in this area start at 9:50am. I can get my kids on the bus at 8:55 and start work at 9:00am right now, but I have nonstop meetings starting at 9:00am and can't take them to the bus stop every day at 9:25. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

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Anonymous wrote:All kids need a break between school and after school activities. It's already a very short break for late start ES schools. Getting them home at 5:00 and going straight to activities without a break is a nightmare at any age.

ANY AGE. No kids should get home at 5pm. NONE.

But this is what the middle schoolers do! They go to school from 7-2pm and then go immediately to their clubs—no break, no dinner, no home, and then they either attend 1 or 2 clubs back to back before any break or food.

And that's a good thing? No breaks or time to be a kid? Man, kids are so overscheduled.

The kids are exhausted. They should have an earlier and more age appropriate start to their morning. They are setting alarms at 5:30am for their school day. They need and deserve the 8am start time.