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Anonymous wrote:Well, guess I will find out if God really exists.

How will you “find out” anything? You won’t have a brain to process thoughts. It’s over.

Time will tell - you can’t prove or disprove this belief

Do you even hear yourself?

You can't disprove that after death we all go to a casino 22 miles outside of Phoenix, either.

But I guess time will tell.

I can tell you I don’t go to casinos in life and casinos in death sounds like hell to me.

Be very good then. Because if you're bad, you'll end up at a casino 22 miles outside of Phoenix FOREVER. haha

Thankfully we can’t earn our way into Heaven but that prospect will certainly motivate me to do better 😂

Harsh lighting, metallic clinks of gambling machines, garish carpets, sexist attire, losing massive amounts of money with nothing to show for it every day - nothing natural at all - truly sounds like Hell

Prove that's not where you go. That was the point.

Prove that you go anywhere after death. Impossible.

PS: the point was "what do you think death feels like" not where do you go after death." All the evidence indicates that we don't go anywhere. Our life ends, like the lives of all living things.

Actually most empirical evidence of people who have had NDEs points to consciousness going somewhere in a transformed fashion after physical death.

Obviously it’s lights out for the physical body at death.

No we can’t prove or disprove metaphysical beliefs but many many people who have technically died and returned to life described common experiences:
- Feeling very peaceful
- Seeing bright lights
- Going through a tunnel of some kind
- Being shown a life review of some kind
- Meeting loved ones who have passed already
- Feelings of detachment from their physical bodies as if viewing them from another point n space
- Not wanting to return to their physical bodies

NDE is not the same as death. Obviously, we have no reports from people who completely died.

Have you read their stories? Many people reporting NDEs technically died according to common medical standards (heart stops pumping for more than 5-10 minutes and further:
- No response to painful stimuli
- Fixed, dilated pupils that are unresponsive to light,
- No palpable central pulse,
- No audible heart sounds,
- No respiratory effort,
- No audible breath sounds, and
- No reacting to verbal or tactile stimulation)

Many NDEs are Not explainable via science even on the physical level let alone the metaphysical experiences they report.

I don’t claim there is incontrovertible proof - merely that empirical evidence supports idea that some part of our human self survives physical death.

But It can’t be proven one way or the other via physical science.

Considering the poster who first brought up NDEs basically used a summary from an AI chat, it left out that these "commonalities" are highly correlated to the same things that happen due to reduction of oxygen to the brain. It is definitely not any shred of evidence for anything metaphysical.

Studies of NDEs (and some posters reporting their own) was brought up well before that post.

And that doesn't change the fact that, "It is definitely not any shred of evidence for anything metaphysical".

Anonymous wrote:This kayaker that a humpback whale swallowed and spit out thinks death is terrifying: https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/c2k5e14vwx4o

He wasn’t a kayaker and he wasn’t swallowed.

SMH

I don’t claim there is incontrovertible proof - merely that empirical evidence supports idea that some part of our human self survives physical death.

How can you type this and expect to be taken seriously? It is 100% false.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, guess I will find out if God really exists.

How will you “find out” anything? You won’t have a brain to process thoughts. It’s over.

Time will tell - you can’t prove or disprove this belief

Do you even hear yourself?

You can't disprove that after death we all go to a casino 22 miles outside of Phoenix, either.

But I guess time will tell.

I can tell you I don’t go to casinos in life and casinos in death sounds like hell to me.

Be very good then. Because if you're bad, you'll end up at a casino 22 miles outside of Phoenix FOREVER. haha

Thankfully we can’t earn our way into Heaven but that prospect will certainly motivate me to do better 😂

Harsh lighting, metallic clinks of gambling machines, garish carpets, sexist attire, losing massive amounts of money with nothing to show for it every day - nothing natural at all - truly sounds like Hell

Prove that's not where you go. That was the point.

Umm you’re playing gotcha with someone who literally said they can’t prove any metaphysical beliefs

Umm, no. I am pointing out it is a stupid point and meaningless position.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, guess I will find out if God really exists.

How will you “find out” anything? You won’t have a brain to process thoughts. It’s over.

Time will tell - you can’t prove or disprove this belief

Do you even hear yourself?

You can't disprove that after death we all go to a casino 22 miles outside of Phoenix, either.

But I guess time will tell.

I can tell you I don’t go to casinos in life and casinos in death sounds like hell to me.

Be very good then. Because if you're bad, you'll end up at a casino 22 miles outside of Phoenix FOREVER. haha

Thankfully we can’t earn our way into Heaven but that prospect will certainly motivate me to do better 😂

Harsh lighting, metallic clinks of gambling machines, garish carpets, sexist attire, losing massive amounts of money with nothing to show for it every day - nothing natural at all - truly sounds like Hell

Prove that's not where you go. That was the point.

Prove that you go anywhere after death. Impossible.

PS: the point was "what do you think death feels like" not where do you go after death." All the evidence indicates that we don't go anywhere. Our life ends, like the lives of all living things.

Actually most empirical evidence of people who have had NDEs points to consciousness going somewhere in a transformed fashion after physical death.

Obviously it’s lights out for the physical body at death.

No we can’t prove or disprove metaphysical beliefs but many many people who have technically died and returned to life described common experiences:
- Feeling very peaceful
- Seeing bright lights
- Going through a tunnel of some kind
- Being shown a life review of some kind
- Meeting loved ones who have passed already
- Feelings of detachment from their physical bodies as if viewing them from another point n space
- Not wanting to return to their physical bodies

NDE is not the same as death. Obviously, we have no reports from people who completely died.

Have you read their stories? Many people reporting NDEs technically died according to common medical standards (heart stops pumping for more than 5-10 minutes and further:
- No response to painful stimuli
- Fixed, dilated pupils that are unresponsive to light,
- No palpable central pulse,
- No audible heart sounds,
- No respiratory effort,
- No audible breath sounds, and
- No reacting to verbal or tactile stimulation)

Many NDEs are Not explainable via science even on the physical level let alone the metaphysical experiences they report.

I don’t claim there is incontrovertible proof - merely that empirical evidence supports idea that some part of our human self survives physical death.

But It can’t be proven one way or the other via physical science.

Considering the poster who first brought up NDEs basically used a summary from an AI chat, it left out that these "commonalities" are highly correlated to the same things that happen due to reduction of oxygen to the brain. It is definitely not any shred of evidence for anything metaphysical.

Studies of NDEs (and some posters reporting their own) was brought up well before that post.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, guess I will find out if God really exists.

How will you “find out” anything? You won’t have a brain to process thoughts. It’s over.

Time will tell - you can’t prove or disprove this belief

Do you even hear yourself?

You can't disprove that after death we all go to a casino 22 miles outside of Phoenix, either.

But I guess time will tell.

I can tell you I don’t go to casinos in life and casinos in death sounds like hell to me.

Be very good then. Because if you're bad, you'll end up at a casino 22 miles outside of Phoenix FOREVER. haha

Thankfully we can’t earn our way into Heaven but that prospect will certainly motivate me to do better 😂

Harsh lighting, metallic clinks of gambling machines, garish carpets, sexist attire, losing massive amounts of money with nothing to show for it every day - nothing natural at all - truly sounds like Hell

Prove that's not where you go. That was the point.

Prove that you go anywhere after death. Impossible.

PS: the point was "what do you think death feels like" not where do you go after death." All the evidence indicates that we don't go anywhere. Our life ends, like the lives of all living things.

Actually most empirical evidence of people who have had NDEs points to consciousness going somewhere in a transformed fashion after physical death.

Obviously it’s lights out for the physical body at death.

No we can’t prove or disprove metaphysical beliefs but many many people who have technically died and returned to life described common experiences:
- Feeling very peaceful
- Seeing bright lights
- Going through a tunnel of some kind
- Being shown a life review of some kind
- Meeting loved ones who have passed already
- Feelings of detachment from their physical bodies as if viewing them from another point n space
- Not wanting to return to their physical bodies

NDE is not the same as death. Obviously, we have no reports from people who completely died.

Have you read their stories? Many people reporting NDEs technically died according to common medical standards (heart stops pumping for more than 5-10 minutes and further:
- No response to painful stimuli
- Fixed, dilated pupils that are unresponsive to light,
- No palpable central pulse,
- No audible heart sounds,
- No respiratory effort,
- No audible breath sounds, and
- No reacting to verbal or tactile stimulation)

Many NDEs are Not explainable via science even on the physical level let alone the metaphysical experiences they report.

I don’t claim there is incontrovertible proof - merely that empirical evidence supports idea that some part of our human self survives physical death.

But It can’t be proven one way or the other via physical science.

What is physical science other than real science? If it can't be proven via science, then it can't be proven.

A lot of science is conceptual and often counter intuitive - such as theoretical physics (study of the natural world through mathematical models and abstractions. It involves creating theories and using computational methods to explain and predict phenomena). Theories include quantum mechanics, special relativity, general relativity, quantum field theory, and string theory.

The Big Bang theory took great leaps of imagination by Father Georges Lemaître in 1927 as it could not be proven psychically for a long time. Hubble's law of the expansion of the universe provided foundational support for the theory. However, now the James Webb Space Telescope is designed to observe the very early universe, including when the first stars and galaxies formed. So scientists can see as far back as just a few hundred million years after the Big Bang likely occurred.

I believe that even some theories of psychology cannot be proven physically but are supported by masses of empirical evidence regarding human behavior.

Theoretical science relies on imagination, as it involves visualizing and conceptualizing phenomena that may not be directly observable, allowing scientists to develop new theories and models by thinking creatively about potential explanations beyond readily available data.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, guess I will find out if God really exists.

How will you “find out” anything? You won’t have a brain to process thoughts. It’s over.

Time will tell - you can’t prove or disprove this belief

Do you even hear yourself?

You can't disprove that after death we all go to a casino 22 miles outside of Phoenix, either.

But I guess time will tell.

I can tell you I don’t go to casinos in life and casinos in death sounds like hell to me.

Be very good then. Because if you're bad, you'll end up at a casino 22 miles outside of Phoenix FOREVER. haha

Thankfully we can’t earn our way into Heaven but that prospect will certainly motivate me to do better 😂

Harsh lighting, metallic clinks of gambling machines, garish carpets, sexist attire, losing massive amounts of money with nothing to show for it every day - nothing natural at all - truly sounds like Hell

Prove that's not where you go. That was the point.

Prove that you go anywhere after death. Impossible.

PS: the point was "what do you think death feels like" not where do you go after death." All the evidence indicates that we don't go anywhere. Our life ends, like the lives of all living things.

Actually most empirical evidence of people who have had NDEs points to consciousness going somewhere in a transformed fashion after physical death.

Obviously it’s lights out for the physical body at death.

No we can’t prove or disprove metaphysical beliefs but many many people who have technically died and returned to life described common experiences:
- Feeling very peaceful
- Seeing bright lights
- Going through a tunnel of some kind
- Being shown a life review of some kind
- Meeting loved ones who have passed already
- Feelings of detachment from their physical bodies as if viewing them from another point n space
- Not wanting to return to their physical bodies

NDE is not the same as death. Obviously, we have no reports from people who completely died.

Have you read their stories? Many people reporting NDEs technically died according to common medical standards (heart stops pumping for more than 5-10 minutes and further:
- No response to painful stimuli
- Fixed, dilated pupils that are unresponsive to light,
- No palpable central pulse,
- No audible heart sounds,
- No respiratory effort,
- No audible breath sounds, and
- No reacting to verbal or tactile stimulation)

Many NDEs are Not explainable via science even on the physical level let alone the metaphysical experiences they report.

I don’t claim there is incontrovertible proof - merely that empirical evidence supports idea that some part of our human self survives physical death.

But It can’t be proven one way or the other via physical science.

Considering the poster who first brought up NDEs basically used a summary from an AI chat, it left out that these "commonalities" are highly correlated to the same things that happen due to reduction of oxygen to the brain. It is definitely not any shred of evidence for anything metaphysical.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, guess I will find out if God really exists.

How will you “find out” anything? You won’t have a brain to process thoughts. It’s over.

Time will tell - you can’t prove or disprove this belief

Do you even hear yourself?

You can't disprove that after death we all go to a casino 22 miles outside of Phoenix, either.

But I guess time will tell.

I can tell you I don’t go to casinos in life and casinos in death sounds like hell to me.

Be very good then. Because if you're bad, you'll end up at a casino 22 miles outside of Phoenix FOREVER. haha

Thankfully we can’t earn our way into Heaven but that prospect will certainly motivate me to do better 😂

Harsh lighting, metallic clinks of gambling machines, garish carpets, sexist attire, losing massive amounts of money with nothing to show for it every day - nothing natural at all - truly sounds like Hell

Prove that's not where you go. That was the point.

Prove that you go anywhere after death. Impossible.

PS: the point was "what do you think death feels like" not where do you go after death." All the evidence indicates that we don't go anywhere. Our life ends, like the lives of all living things.

Actually most empirical evidence of people who have had NDEs points to consciousness going somewhere in a transformed fashion after physical death.

Obviously it’s lights out for the physical body at death.

No we can’t prove or disprove metaphysical beliefs but many many people who have technically died and returned to life described common experiences:
- Feeling very peaceful
- Seeing bright lights
- Going through a tunnel of some kind
- Being shown a life review of some kind
- Meeting loved ones who have passed already
- Feelings of detachment from their physical bodies as if viewing them from another point n space
- Not wanting to return to their physical bodies

NDE is not the same as death. Obviously, we have no reports from people who completely died.

Have you read their stories? Many people reporting NDEs technically died according to common medical standards (heart stops pumping for more than 5-10 minutes and further:
- No response to painful stimuli
- Fixed, dilated pupils that are unresponsive to light,
- No palpable central pulse,
- No audible heart sounds,
- No respiratory effort,
- No audible breath sounds, and
- No reacting to verbal or tactile stimulation)

Many NDEs are Not explainable via science even on the physical level let alone the metaphysical experiences they report.

I don’t claim there is incontrovertible proof - merely that empirical evidence supports idea that some part of our human self survives physical death.

But It can’t be proven one way or the other via physical science.

What is physical science other than real science? If it can't be proven via science, then it can't be proven.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, guess I will find out if God really exists.

How will you “find out” anything? You won’t have a brain to process thoughts. It’s over.

Time will tell - you can’t prove or disprove this belief

Do you even hear yourself?

You can't disprove that after death we all go to a casino 22 miles outside of Phoenix, either.

But I guess time will tell.

I can tell you I don’t go to casinos in life and casinos in death sounds like hell to me.

Be very good then. Because if you're bad, you'll end up at a casino 22 miles outside of Phoenix FOREVER. haha

Thankfully we can’t earn our way into Heaven but that prospect will certainly motivate me to do better 😂

Harsh lighting, metallic clinks of gambling machines, garish carpets, sexist attire, losing massive amounts of money with nothing to show for it every day - nothing natural at all - truly sounds like Hell

Prove that's not where you go. That was the point.

Prove that you go anywhere after death. Impossible.

PS: the point was "what do you think death feels like" not where do you go after death." All the evidence indicates that we don't go anywhere. Our life ends, like the lives of all living things.

Actually most empirical evidence of people who have had NDEs points to consciousness going somewhere in a transformed fashion after physical death.

Obviously it’s lights out for the physical body at death.

No we can’t prove or disprove metaphysical beliefs but many many people who have technically died and returned to life described common experiences:
- Feeling very peaceful
- Seeing bright lights
- Going through a tunnel of some kind
- Being shown a life review of some kind
- Meeting loved ones who have passed already
- Feelings of detachment from their physical bodies as if viewing them from another point n space
- Not wanting to return to their physical bodies

NDE is not the same as death. Obviously, we have no reports from people who completely died.

Have you read their stories? Many people reporting NDEs technically died according to common medical standards (heart stops pumping for more than 5-10 minutes and further:
- No response to painful stimuli
- Fixed, dilated pupils that are unresponsive to light,
- No palpable central pulse,
- No audible heart sounds,
- No respiratory effort,
- No audible breath sounds, and
- No reacting to verbal or tactile stimulation)

Many NDEs are Not explainable via science even on the physical level let alone the metaphysical experiences they report.

I don’t claim there is incontrovertible proof - merely that empirical evidence supports idea that some part of our human self survives physical death.

But It can’t be proven one way or the other via physical science.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, guess I will find out if God really exists.

How will you “find out” anything? You won’t have a brain to process thoughts. It’s over.

Time will tell - you can’t prove or disprove this belief

Do you even hear yourself?

You can't disprove that after death we all go to a casino 22 miles outside of Phoenix, either.

But I guess time will tell.

I can tell you I don’t go to casinos in life and casinos in death sounds like hell to me.

Be very good then. Because if you're bad, you'll end up at a casino 22 miles outside of Phoenix FOREVER. haha

Thankfully we can’t earn our way into Heaven but that prospect will certainly motivate me to do better 😂

Harsh lighting, metallic clinks of gambling machines, garish carpets, sexist attire, losing massive amounts of money with nothing to show for it every day - nothing natural at all - truly sounds like Hell

Prove that's not where you go. That was the point.

Prove that you go anywhere after death. Impossible.

PS: the point was "what do you think death feels like" not where do you go after death." All the evidence indicates that we don't go anywhere. Our life ends, like the lives of all living things.

Actually most empirical evidence of people who have had NDEs points to consciousness going somewhere in a transformed fashion after physical death.

Obviously it’s lights out for the physical body at death.

No we can’t prove or disprove metaphysical beliefs but many many people who have technically died and returned to life described common experiences:
- Feeling very peaceful
- Seeing bright lights
- Going through a tunnel of some kind
- Being shown a life review of some kind
- Meeting loved ones who have passed already
- Feelings of detachment from their physical bodies as if viewing them from another point n space
- Not wanting to return to their physical bodies

NDE is not the same as death. Obviously, we have no reports from people who completely died.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, guess I will find out if God really exists.

How will you “find out” anything? You won’t have a brain to process thoughts. It’s over.

Time will tell - you can’t prove or disprove this belief

Do you even hear yourself?

You can't disprove that after death we all go to a casino 22 miles outside of Phoenix, either.

But I guess time will tell.

I can tell you I don’t go to casinos in life and casinos in death sounds like hell to me.

Be very good then. Because if you're bad, you'll end up at a casino 22 miles outside of Phoenix FOREVER. haha

Thankfully we can’t earn our way into Heaven but that prospect will certainly motivate me to do better 😂

Harsh lighting, metallic clinks of gambling machines, garish carpets, sexist attire, losing massive amounts of money with nothing to show for it every day - nothing natural at all - truly sounds like Hell

Prove that's not where you go. That was the point.

Prove that you go anywhere after death. Impossible.

PS: the point was "what do you think death feels like" not where do you go after death." All the evidence indicates that we don't go anywhere. Our life ends, like the lives of all living things.

Actually most empirical evidence of people who have had NDEs points to consciousness going somewhere in a transformed fashion after physical death.

Obviously it’s lights out for the physical body at death.

No we can’t prove or disprove metaphysical beliefs but many many people who have technically died and returned to life described common experiences:
- Feeling very peaceful
- Seeing bright lights
- Going through a tunnel of some kind
- Being shown a life review of some kind
- Meeting loved ones who have passed already
- Feelings of detachment from their physical bodies as if viewing them from another point n space
- Not wanting to return to their physical bodies

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Anonymous wrote:Well, guess I will find out if God really exists.

How will you “find out” anything? You won’t have a brain to process thoughts. It’s over.

Time will tell - you can’t prove or disprove this belief

Do you even hear yourself?

You can't disprove that after death we all go to a casino 22 miles outside of Phoenix, either.

But I guess time will tell.

I can tell you I don’t go to casinos in life and casinos in death sounds like hell to me.

Be very good then. Because if you're bad, you'll end up at a casino 22 miles outside of Phoenix FOREVER. haha

Thankfully we can’t earn our way into Heaven but that prospect will certainly motivate me to do better 😂

Harsh lighting, metallic clinks of gambling machines, garish carpets, sexist attire, losing massive amounts of money with nothing to show for it every day - nothing natural at all - truly sounds like Hell

Prove that's not where you go. That was the point.

Umm you’re playing gotcha with someone who literally said they can’t prove any metaphysical beliefs

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Anonymous wrote:Well, guess I will find out if God really exists.

How will you “find out” anything? You won’t have a brain to process thoughts. It’s over.

Time will tell - you can’t prove or disprove this belief

Do you even hear yourself?

You can't disprove that after death we all go to a casino 22 miles outside of Phoenix, either.

But I guess time will tell.

I can tell you I don’t go to casinos in life and casinos in death sounds like hell to me.

Be very good then. Because if you're bad, you'll end up at a casino 22 miles outside of Phoenix FOREVER. haha

Thankfully we can’t earn our way into Heaven but that prospect will certainly motivate me to do better 😂

Harsh lighting, metallic clinks of gambling machines, garish carpets, sexist attire, losing massive amounts of money with nothing to show for it every day - nothing natural at all - truly sounds like Hell

Prove that's not where you go. That was the point.

Prove that you go anywhere after death. Impossible.

PS: the point was "what do you think death feels like" not where do you go after death." All the evidence indicates that we don't go anywhere. Our life ends, like the lives of all living things.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, guess I will find out if God really exists.

How will you “find out” anything? You won’t have a brain to process thoughts. It’s over.

Time will tell - you can’t prove or disprove this belief

Do you even hear yourself?

You can't disprove that after death we all go to a casino 22 miles outside of Phoenix, either.

But I guess time will tell.

I can tell you I don’t go to casinos in life and casinos in death sounds like hell to me.

Be very good then. Because if you're bad, you'll end up at a casino 22 miles outside of Phoenix FOREVER. haha

Thankfully we can’t earn our way into Heaven but that prospect will certainly motivate me to do better 😂

Harsh lighting, metallic clinks of gambling machines, garish carpets, sexist attire, losing massive amounts of money with nothing to show for it every day - nothing natural at all - truly sounds like Hell

Prove that's not where you go. That was the point.

Anonymous wrote:I can’t wait for it because I think it will feel wonderful.

Maybe it does feel wonderful. Then it's boom - lights out.