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Anonymous wrote:So far they fired some probationary employees, that’s all we know. ATCs have to be on the job training for 3 years before they get certified and become actual ATCs. So non of the actual ATCs can’t possibly be probationary. Also, ATCs are not eligible for the fork buyout because they are considered essential. What’s with all the fear mongering? Having said that, I don’t mind if you all stop flying. Looking forward to less crowded airports and flights.

What’s the plan when the overworked and stressed employees retire or quit?

Not great, but same thing happened during last shutdown, when ATCs had to work without pay and some refused to show up. FAA slowed down the air traffic. Longer waits. I don’t recall any planes crushing.

We also had 4 years of Biden and Pete at the helm of the US-DOT and FAA without a single major aircraft incident. We have had at least 5 since Trump took over and many are directly attributing to the layoffs and threats of firings taken on day 1.

Plenty of incidents during Biden administration. It’s so sad that many of us are incapable of critical thinking. We’d do much better as a county.

https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/statements/accident_incidents

and yet, no crashes. Amazing that.

DC crash was related to military pilot error, not ATC. And Toronto crash was in Canada. What’s amazing is your inability to think logically.

No other plane in Toronto flipped that day. Wonder what was wrong with that American plane from an American carrier originating from an American airport.

And the military plane- that was Hogseth’s military operating out an American airspace with Trump’s FAA guy in charge.

You all just can’t handle the fact that your DUI hires have managed to screw things up so quickly. Buck stops at the top.

It's kind of like if you start terrorizing federal employees who are doing jobs that help the country function on a daily or monthly or yearly basis the whole system starts to fall apart.

There was zero US federal employees on duty in Canadian airport or on board of commercial aircraft that flipped. Zero.

And at DCA? All were federal employees.

Just wait, more were fired.

The accident was the helicopter pilots fault. The systems used to monitor and manage flights are antiquated and using generations old technology. In total less than 1% of TSA employees were let go and none were Air Traffic Controllers

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Anonymous wrote:So far they fired some probationary employees, that’s all we know. ATCs have to be on the job training for 3 years before they get certified and become actual ATCs. So non of the actual ATCs can’t possibly be probationary. Also, ATCs are not eligible for the fork buyout because they are considered essential. What’s with all the fear mongering? Having said that, I don’t mind if you all stop flying. Looking forward to less crowded airports and flights.

What’s the plan when the overworked and stressed employees retire or quit?

Not great, but same thing happened during last shutdown, when ATCs had to work without pay and some refused to show up. FAA slowed down the air traffic. Longer waits. I don’t recall any planes crushing.

We also had 4 years of Biden and Pete at the helm of the US-DOT and FAA without a single major aircraft incident. We have had at least 5 since Trump took over and many are directly attributing to the layoffs and threats of firings taken on day 1.

Plenty of incidents during Biden administration. It’s so sad that many of us are incapable of critical thinking. We’d do much better as a county.

https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/statements/accident_incidents

and yet, no crashes. Amazing that.

DC crash was related to military pilot error, not ATC. And Toronto crash was in Canada. What’s amazing is your inability to think logically.

No other plane in Toronto flipped that day. Wonder what was wrong with that American plane from an American carrier originating from an American airport.

And the military plane- that was Hogseth’s military operating out an American airspace with Trump’s FAA guy in charge.

You all just can’t handle the fact that your DUI hires have managed to screw things up so quickly. Buck stops at the top.

It's kind of like if you start terrorizing federal employees who are doing jobs that help the country function on a daily or monthly or yearly basis the whole system starts to fall apart.

There was zero US federal employees on duty in Canadian airport or on board of commercial aircraft that flipped. Zero.

And at DCA? All were federal employees.

Just wait, more were fired.

We were supposed to travel to NYC in a month and I am postponing it for now. I am not sure DH and I should fly together for the next year at least.
What a sh!t show we live in.

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Anonymous wrote:So far they fired some probationary employees, that’s all we know. ATCs have to be on the job training for 3 years before they get certified and become actual ATCs. So non of the actual ATCs can’t possibly be probationary. Also, ATCs are not eligible for the fork buyout because they are considered essential. What’s with all the fear mongering? Having said that, I don’t mind if you all stop flying. Looking forward to less crowded airports and flights.

What’s the plan when the overworked and stressed employees retire or quit?

Not great, but same thing happened during last shutdown, when ATCs had to work without pay and some refused to show up. FAA slowed down the air traffic. Longer waits. I don’t recall any planes crushing.

We also had 4 years of Biden and Pete at the helm of the US-DOT and FAA without a single major aircraft incident. We have had at least 5 since Trump took over and many are directly attributing to the layoffs and threats of firings taken on day 1.

Plenty of incidents during Biden administration. It’s so sad that many of us are incapable of critical thinking. We’d do much better as a county.

https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/statements/accident_incidents

and yet, no crashes. Amazing that.

DC crash was related to military pilot error, not ATC. And Toronto crash was in Canada. What’s amazing is your inability to think logically.

No other plane in Toronto flipped that day. Wonder what was wrong with that American plane from an American carrier originating from an American airport.

And the military plane- that was Hogseth’s military operating out an American airspace with Trump’s FAA guy in charge.

You all just can’t handle the fact that your DUI hires have managed to screw things up so quickly. Buck stops at the top.

It's kind of like if you start terrorizing federal employees who are doing jobs that help the country function on a daily or monthly or yearly basis the whole system starts to fall apart.

There was zero US federal employees on duty in Canadian airport or on board of commercial aircraft that flipped. Zero.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m brave, not stupid.

Pilot in the family and we will not be doing any flying any time soon.

Elon builds dangerous cars, and rockets that unintentionally explode. Not a reason in the world to trust he’s good at anything else. He just thinks he’s a genius.

Elon is just like the guy who sent the submersible deep into the ocean only for it to explode. They are insane and cruel.

BWAHAHAAHAHA. Musk is literally catching rockets out of the air with chopsticks and re using them. TRUMP derangement syndrome is strong with you.

No his cars explode and his rockets can’t get off the ground. He is just a stooge for the Chinese.

BWAHAHAHAAHA again, again. Musk is sending his rocket to grab the astronauts that are stranded and NASA can't get back to earth. BWAHAHAHAHA, Dude is saving NASA's ass.

How much of our tax money is he getting? How did Tesla take off to begin with? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

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Anonymous wrote:So far they fired some probationary employees, that’s all we know. ATCs have to be on the job training for 3 years before they get certified and become actual ATCs. So non of the actual ATCs can’t possibly be probationary. Also, ATCs are not eligible for the fork buyout because they are considered essential. What’s with all the fear mongering? Having said that, I don’t mind if you all stop flying. Looking forward to less crowded airports and flights.

What’s the plan when the overworked and stressed employees retire or quit?

Not great, but same thing happened during last shutdown, when ATCs had to work without pay and some refused to show up. FAA slowed down the air traffic. Longer waits. I don’t recall any planes crushing.

We also had 4 years of Biden and Pete at the helm of the US-DOT and FAA without a single major aircraft incident. We have had at least 5 since Trump took over and many are directly attributing to the layoffs and threats of firings taken on day 1.

Plenty of incidents during Biden administration. It’s so sad that many of us are incapable of critical thinking. We’d do much better as a county.

https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/statements/accident_incidents

and yet, no crashes. Amazing that.

DC crash was related to military pilot error, not ATC. And Toronto crash was in Canada. What’s amazing is your inability to think logically.

No other plane in Toronto flipped that day. Wonder what was wrong with that American plane from an American carrier originating from an American airport.

And the military plane- that was Hogseth’s military operating out an American airspace with Trump’s FAA guy in charge.

You all just can’t handle the fact that your DUI hires have managed to screw things up so quickly. Buck stops at the top.

It's kind of like if you start terrorizing federal employees who are doing jobs that help the country function on a daily or monthly or yearly basis the whole system starts to fall apart.

Weird that out of all 5 airplane incidents, the only one they attribute to pilot error is the Army helicopter. I wonder why.

I don’t think they have issued the final report yet. All these crash will be placed on the ATC DEI hires. Trump will have final say on the report and we will never know the reason for the crashes.

This, Trump declared the cause at his press conference. You really think the FAA or anyone experiencing mass layoffs and firings will conduct an actual investigation to counter that conclusion?

No responsible Federal official will disclose a hack until they figure out how to prevent it.

Do you know how to prevent a targeted hack? If so, I bet the feds would hire you in a second.

And I say this as someone who just flew cross country last week.

Got news for you the Feds are not hiring but firing anyone with skills to prevent a hack. Also it is interesting that Malaysia flight 370 is now considered to have been hacked.

Still the report will say what trump tells them to print. Most like stating DEI and leftist who support Hamas were behind the crashes. The real problem will be ignored. Fly some more and good luck! Hope your faith in Trump is well rewarded.

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Anonymous wrote:So far they fired some probationary employees, that’s all we know. ATCs have to be on the job training for 3 years before they get certified and become actual ATCs. So non of the actual ATCs can’t possibly be probationary. Also, ATCs are not eligible for the fork buyout because they are considered essential. What’s with all the fear mongering? Having said that, I don’t mind if you all stop flying. Looking forward to less crowded airports and flights.

What’s the plan when the overworked and stressed employees retire or quit?

Not great, but same thing happened during last shutdown, when ATCs had to work without pay and some refused to show up. FAA slowed down the air traffic. Longer waits. I don’t recall any planes crushing.

We also had 4 years of Biden and Pete at the helm of the US-DOT and FAA without a single major aircraft incident. We have had at least 5 since Trump took over and many are directly attributing to the layoffs and threats of firings taken on day 1.

Plenty of incidents during Biden administration. It’s so sad that many of us are incapable of critical thinking. We’d do much better as a county.

https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/statements/accident_incidents

and yet, no crashes. Amazing that.

DC crash was related to military pilot error, not ATC. And Toronto crash was in Canada. What’s amazing is your inability to think logically.

No other plane in Toronto flipped that day. Wonder what was wrong with that American plane from an American carrier originating from an American airport.

And the military plane- that was Hogseth’s military operating out an American airspace with Trump’s FAA guy in charge.

You all just can’t handle the fact that your DUI hires have managed to screw things up so quickly. Buck stops at the top.

It's kind of like if you start terrorizing federal employees who are doing jobs that help the country function on a daily or monthly or yearly basis the whole system starts to fall apart.

Weird that out of all 5 airplane incidents, the only one they attribute to pilot error is the Army helicopter. I wonder why.

I don’t think they have issued the final report yet. All these crash will be placed on the ATC DEI hires. Trump will have final say on the report and we will never know the reason for the crashes.

This, Trump declared the cause at his press conference. You really think the FAA or anyone experiencing mass layoffs and firings will conduct an actual investigation to counter that conclusion?

No responsible Federal official will disclose a hack until they figure out how to prevent it.

Do you know how to prevent a targeted hack? If so, I bet the feds would hire you in a second.

And I say this as someone who just flew cross country last week.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-musk-faa-firings-purge-air-safety-1235271233/

Though Musk and the White House claim their job cuts relate in no way to anyone involved with airline safety, Rolling Stone separately spoke with a second terminated FAA employee whose job was ensuring that pilots are medically able and certified to fly. It’s a vital role, especially given the ongoing airline pilot shortage.

The obstacle impact team was already understaffed before it was gutted. “There are currently four people remaining over there to do the work of 15 people,” they say, adding: “The danger to the national airspace can’t be understated. This is a very real threat to the American flying public.”

While the mass firings targeted “probationary” employees, that doesn’t mean the cuts only affected employees with limited experience. The fired FAA employee, a veteran, previously performed the same role for years for a government contractor; after the contract ended, the FAA hired most of the team back directly. The probationary status, however, made the obstacle impact team ripe targets for Musk’s hit squad at the so-called Department of Government Efficiency, or DOGE.

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Anonymous wrote:So far they fired some probationary employees, that’s all we know. ATCs have to be on the job training for 3 years before they get certified and become actual ATCs. So non of the actual ATCs can’t possibly be probationary. Also, ATCs are not eligible for the fork buyout because they are considered essential. What’s with all the fear mongering? Having said that, I don’t mind if you all stop flying. Looking forward to less crowded airports and flights.

What’s the plan when the overworked and stressed employees retire or quit?

Not great, but same thing happened during last shutdown, when ATCs had to work without pay and some refused to show up. FAA slowed down the air traffic. Longer waits. I don’t recall any planes crushing.

We also had 4 years of Biden and Pete at the helm of the US-DOT and FAA without a single major aircraft incident. We have had at least 5 since Trump took over and many are directly attributing to the layoffs and threats of firings taken on day 1.

Plenty of incidents during Biden administration. It’s so sad that many of us are incapable of critical thinking. We’d do much better as a county.

https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/statements/accident_incidents

and yet, no crashes. Amazing that.

DC crash was related to military pilot error, not ATC. And Toronto crash was in Canada. What’s amazing is your inability to think logically.

HAHA MAGA is so funny with their gaslighting.....nothing is ever dumps fault everything is peachy and coming up roses...fox told you so right?

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Anonymous wrote:So far they fired some probationary employees, that’s all we know. ATCs have to be on the job training for 3 years before they get certified and become actual ATCs. So non of the actual ATCs can’t possibly be probationary. Also, ATCs are not eligible for the fork buyout because they are considered essential. What’s with all the fear mongering? Having said that, I don’t mind if you all stop flying. Looking forward to less crowded airports and flights.

What’s the plan when the overworked and stressed employees retire or quit?

Not great, but same thing happened during last shutdown, when ATCs had to work without pay and some refused to show up. FAA slowed down the air traffic. Longer waits. I don’t recall any planes crushing.

We also had 4 years of Biden and Pete at the helm of the US-DOT and FAA without a single major aircraft incident. We have had at least 5 since Trump took over and many are directly attributing to the layoffs and threats of firings taken on day 1.

Do you have the data? I would love to see that.

I bet you could google it

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Anonymous wrote:I just wrote to my favorite airline where I have miles-based status, and let them know I canceled my two upcoming flights because I’ve lost faith in the FAA since Elon and Trump got their grubby fingers in it.

It will be years before I fly again.

Ohhhh…..that will certainly impact the FAA. You trivial, hysterical, inconsequential, silly little people are so tiresome. And you haunt this little echo chamber for validation of your ridiculous behavior. Sad.

You are sad just because you are drinking the kool aid doesn't mean others are. I know many people who have said they are done flying. If enough people feel this way and stop flying an impact will be made and a message sent. You are a ridiculous human telling others they are imagining what is playing out right in front of their eyes. I'm sure you are an uneducated MAGA-you will wake up when it's too late. You are pathetic.

Anonymous wrote:Nope, Elon has just sent the DOGE boys over to FAA.

Not flying now.

I second this

Please don’t let Elon anywhere near this. 🙏🏻🙏🏻

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Anonymous wrote:Now that we can get rid of the unqualified girl pilots, flying is safer than ever.

You can't get laid and you really make it everyone's problem huh.

HAHA I needed to laugh

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Anonymous wrote:Now that we can get rid of the unqualified girl pilots, flying is safer than ever.

Girl? Have you seen 10 year olds fly? And boys crash too

LOL