Anonymous
02/05/2025 23:09
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:I’m praying for a judge to grant the TRO the unions filed for today. We need time to resolve the outstanding legal questions in the deferred resignation agreement.
So you want to ruin everyone because you couldn't get a windfall from the taxpayers?
Anonymous
02/05/2025 23:08
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
I’m praying for a judge to grant the TRO the unions filed for today. We need time to resolve the outstanding legal questions in the deferred resignation agreement.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 23:06
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I know at least 5 pple -myself included- in a fed OGC who are taking the "Fork" offer. I will get "VERA" as well. The option is to go in 5 days/ week, as well as potentially be converted to schedule F and RIF'd with no severance, process, etc.
Our office in a couple of the practice areas is going to completely collapse.
I call BS. 5 lawyers falling for this? No way.
My DH and I are both lawyers and we’re both taking it. We were planning to quit anyway, so taking this offer is just taking the chance that we’ll get something instead of the nothing we’d get when one normally resigns.
What exactly are lawyers going to do in a post law country? Everything can be solved by AI and the tech sector.
We’ll undo all the problems and mistakes caused by AI.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 23:04
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I know at least 5 pple -myself included- in a fed OGC who are taking the "Fork" offer. I will get "VERA" as well. The option is to go in 5 days/ week, as well as potentially be converted to schedule F and RIF'd with no severance, process, etc.
Our office in a couple of the practice areas is going to completely collapse.
I call BS. 5 lawyers falling for this? No way.
My DH and I are both lawyers and we’re both taking it. We were planning to quit anyway, so taking this offer is just taking the chance that we’ll get something instead of the nothing we’d get when one normally resigns.
What exactly are lawyers going to do in a post law country? Everything can be solved by AI and the tech sector.
Not really. As even OPM knows since they just exempted lawyers from the probationary termination reporting.
We aren’t post law yet. The administration needs lawyers to give a veneer of legality to what they’re doing, and a lot of lawyers will be working on the court challenges for years to come.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 23:00
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I know at least 5 pple -myself included- in a fed OGC who are taking the "Fork" offer. I will get "VERA" as well. The option is to go in 5 days/ week, as well as potentially be converted to schedule F and RIF'd with no severance, process, etc.
Our office in a couple of the practice areas is going to completely collapse.
I call BS. 5 lawyers falling for this? No way.
My DH and I are both lawyers and we’re both taking it. We were planning to quit anyway, so taking this offer is just taking the chance that we’ll get something instead of the nothing we’d get when one normally resigns.
What exactly are lawyers going to do in a post law country? Everything can be solved by AI and the tech sector.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 22:37
Subject: Re:Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Here’s why they need things done soon. They need you in admin status for ten days prior to March 14 when the government will shut down. At that point you will have run out of allowable admin leave and will be resigned because you never signed anything other than you quit. The payback law doesn’t apply to non-employees. When a deal is finally struck, the remainder of the year appropriations will be for employees on the books. Agencies don’t get funding per person, they get a pile of funding for all employee services. So there won’t be money to pay you. Even if your career agency likes you and feels bad, they need it to pay for the people they still have and won’t be authorized for a payout without a special appropriation. This is the scam.
This is a bit too extreme of a take. I'm probably not taking it, but at my agency, we will have signed a fairly thorough agreement with the agency if we do (much more thorough than the ones posted from, eg, commerce). Let's base our critiques on what is actually being presented to employees, and how enforceable these agreements are, not broad/vague fear-mongering over getting stiffed. In my case, the outstanding issues are: 1) there is still an out for the agency to ask you to work in "rare circumstances", which is vague enough that admin leave can still not 100% be relied on during the resignation period, despite suggestions to the contrary in OPM guidance/FAQs; 2) As mentioned, what happens if post March appropriations are significantly lower than current budgets? Will an agency actually furlough or RIF employees who stayed to pay those who took the fork? Hard to imaging. My agency indicates it will take all legally permissible steps to ensure forkers are not subject to furlough or RIF through Sep 30 in its agreement. That sounds like the agency saying that they will, in good faith, do their best to honor this, but there are clearly limits on what they can commit to, so things aren't fully guaranteed. E.g., congress could stipulate that appropriated funds can't be used to pay forkers, and the agency won't be able fight that.
How did they "indicate" that, exactly? Did the general counsel sign something?
Anonymous
02/05/2025 22:37
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My relative that I just spoke to says she and about 2 others are going to wait and take it. There is another person who has been on and off on leave taking care of their sick spouse wants to as well. They aren't looking at it as a negative thing but something that gives them time to move on to the next stage of their lives.
None of this happened
correct they are waiting until tomorrow to send the email
Anonymous
02/05/2025 22:35
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:40’000 have accepted so far.
Out of 2.3 million. 6% of whom would retire by then in an average year.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 22:33
Subject: Re:Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:
Here’s why they need things done soon. They need you in admin status for ten days prior to March 14 when the government will shut down. At that point you will have run out of allowable admin leave and will be resigned because you never signed anything other than you quit. The payback law doesn’t apply to non-employees. When a deal is finally struck, the remainder of the year appropriations will be for employees on the books. Agencies don’t get funding per person, they get a pile of funding for all employee services. So there won’t be money to pay you. Even if your career agency likes you and feels bad, they need it to pay for the people they still have and won’t be authorized for a payout without a special appropriation. This is the scam.
This is a bit too extreme of a take. I'm probably not taking it, but at my agency, we will have signed a fairly thorough agreement with the agency if we do (much more thorough than the ones posted from, eg, commerce). Let's base our critiques on what is actually being presented to employees, and how enforceable these agreements are, not broad/vague fear-mongering over getting stiffed. In my case, the outstanding issues are: 1) there is still an out for the agency to ask you to work in "rare circumstances", which is vague enough that admin leave can still not 100% be relied on during the resignation period, despite suggestions to the contrary in OPM guidance/FAQs; 2) As mentioned, what happens if post March appropriations are significantly lower than current budgets? Will an agency actually furlough or RIF employees who stayed to pay those who took the fork? Hard to imaging. My agency indicates it will take all legally permissible steps to ensure forkers are not subject to furlough or RIF through Sep 30 in its agreement. That sounds like the agency saying that they will, in good faith, do their best to honor this, but there are clearly limits on what they can commit to, so things aren't fully guaranteed. E.g., congress could stipulate that appropriated funds can't be used to pay forkers, and the agency won't be able fight that.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 22:32
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I know at least 5 pple -myself included- in a fed OGC who are taking the "Fork" offer. I will get "VERA" as well. The option is to go in 5 days/ week, as well as potentially be converted to schedule F and RIF'd with no severance, process, etc.
Our office in a couple of the practice areas is going to completely collapse.
I call BS. 5 lawyers falling for this? No way.
My DH and I are both lawyers and we’re both taking it. We were planning to quit anyway, so taking this offer is just taking the chance that we’ll get something instead of the nothing we’d get when one normally resigns.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 21:55
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
My agency uses 2-year money. Not concerned about March CR.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 21:53
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:Don’t take it. They are trying to make people worried. It’s not even authorized to be funded so without appropriated funds there is no money you will get. It’s a big mistake to take it.
This. I cant believe there are people who believe they will be payed until September when there is no money allocated and this involved Trump and Musk. My spouse works at FDA and neither he nor anybody who works with him is remotely thinking of taking it.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 21:48
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:They will have to fire me if they want me out.
100%. They are using fear to scare people. Stay strong and keep doing the good work you do!
Anonymous
02/05/2025 21:47
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Don’t take it. They are trying to make people worried. It’s not even authorized to be funded so without appropriated funds there is no money you will get. It’s a big mistake to take it.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 21:45
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A lot of families are in a terrible spot right now. I have decided not to take the Fork offer but I don’t blame anyone who does.
What do you mean by that?
They are troll trying to gin up fear.