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Anonymous wrote:Why should it be expunged?

It is a serious offense.

Consequences teach valuable lessons.

She’s 19 she could literally have blown a .000001 and it’s DUI.

My oldest (99th percentile IQ, AAP, attending selective university, planning to attend t14 law school) would have never done something like this. It's sickening to think unstable individuals such as this poster's daughter are allowed to roam free. Before the mob attacks: no, I am not religious, no I am not kidding, no I am not uptight.

No one cares about your kids stats.

+1 such a weird response

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Anonymous wrote:I tell my kids never to interact with law enforcement in any way without a lawyer present unless someone is in immediate peril.

It doesn’t matter how mad I am at them, that’s a parenting question. Everyone should have a lawyer if they’re dealing with police/court.

Absolutely. Be polite, follow commands, and keep your mouth shut. The lawyer will deal with the rest.

You should not do field sobriety test and blow test before you are arrested. Once the officer ask you to do that you are going to be arrested and jailed. Notice the officer will ask you to do these things. Just accept you are going to be arrested, say you are invoking your right to not talking and stop talking. Once you are arrested cooperate with the officers orders.

I’m not a lawyer and late to the conversation, but most states (all maybe?) including DC have an implied consent law which states that by having a drivers license, you are consenting to a chemical test like a breathalyzer. There may be legal consequences for declining to take it.

But beside that, absolutely. Give them your license, registration & insurance. Follow their orders and keep your mouth shut. And above all DO NOT DRINK AND DRIVE.

OP, if you’re still here I recommend Dave Martella.

David Martella, Esquire
Law Offices of Barry H. Helfand, P.A.
110 North Washington Street, Suite 502
Rockville, Maryland 20850
Tele: (301) 251-9001 ; Fax (301) 251-1846

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Anonymous wrote:I do think that in this day and age with all the messaging about dui and all the ride share options, that someone who still chooses to drink and drive should lose their license. They do not have the maturity or sense of responsibility to drink responsibly. Since you can’t stop them from drinking, then the goal should be to make it as hard as possible for them to drive and to come down hard when they do.

While anyone charged with any offence has a right to legal help and should access that, the goal should not be to minimize consequences.

Do you even know what lawyers do?

OP, I'm sorry. I know this must be hard and worrying. I hope you find a good lawyer and your daughter learns a valuable lesson, if for nothing else but for her own safety. And ignore most of these sanctimonious posters. They either have super young kids or are clueless about what their kids actually do. Teens do dumb things. Their teens are no better.

I have a 25 and 20 yo. The 25yo has ADHD, impulse control issues, and yet neither has ever driven while drinking/drunk. Neither has ever done anything illegal (beyond drinking underaged at college parties, where you walk to/from). Not every teen does dumb things that are so dangerous and impact others. Neither have any of their friends from HS. And if you have a teen who seems inclined to do shi$ like that, it's your job as a parent to keep them under control (yes, it's harder than some other parents have it, but do your job).

This may be true - but it's just as likely that it isn't. You have absolutely no way of knowing, and it's hilarious, and a little sad, that you write with such certainty.

Because my kids and their friends talk to the adults in their lives. Shocking, right? That my teens and college aged kids talk to us and we believe them.

So you are stating with absolute certainly that you know everything that your 19 year old is doing at all times?

nope, don't know "everything". But they feel strongly about not drinking and driving, so I know they haven't done that and wouldn't. I know my 19 yo Pre-drinks at the apartment and then Ubers to bars (18+ allowed entry, cannot drink) because they told me why they Uber places when they have a car at college.
I know my older kid thought about getting a fake ID freshman year, then they and their friends decided it wasn't worth the risk (all were going into healthcare/areas where it could really impact your career prospects).
They are not perfect kids, but they sure as hell know not to do dumb ass things like drunk driving.

or texting and driving, they would never do that would they?

But also he/she earlier claimed they “never broke the law” but now it’s not so cut and dry. So typical.

It is you stating My kid must Text while driving. I never said that they did that (they don't, they know it's dumb and dangerous, just like drunk driving) So the most my kid has done is drink while in college (like most college kids do)---and they uber or walk for transportation. So absolutely no impact on anyone else. Their choices are not going to kill you or your family or your friends.

So they broke the law? But in a way that you’re ok with it so they are good?

If you were capable of reading and not just spewing BS responses, you'd know that I already stated that's the Only "illegal" thing they do. Just like 75%+ of college kids--they drink sometimes.

And yes, I'm okay with that. It literally impacts NOBODY else. They didnt' do it in HS, they waited to college. They are not stealing from someone or driving drunk that could kill someone. They simply have a drink on a Friday/Sat night and then responsibly walk/uber wherever they are going.

So then nothing I said is inaccurate. You're the one who claimed "they never broke the law" but then you came back and told us how they did, but just a little bit and you're ok with it.

Nope---never claimed "they never broke the law". I said "they never broke the law except drinking in college before age 21". See the difference? If you could read, you would find that back in the thread. So my statements are 100% accurate.

And yes, I'm okay with that, because it has zero impact on anyone else. My 18 yo just drinking a beer does not negatively impact anyone. Your 18 yo having a beer or two and driving could kill others or seriously injure them. Again, see how that is extremely different?

FFS THEY BROKE THE LAW NONETHELESS. It's just that you think it's ok they broke that particular law.

You're acting like this is some sort of gotcha when it's exactly what the PP has already said.

Because she is a hypocrite because she doesn't think that underage drinking is a problem and it's really bot big deal because that's the only time they broke the law. Underage drinking is against the law. Period. It absolutely can be dangerous and it contributes to ten deaths. Acting like a saint and judging OP when her kid also breaks the law is the epitome of hypocrisy.

An 19 yo having a few beers or cocktails does not impact you or anyone else. Underage drinking (or any drinking) is not a problem unless you are a public nusance. A 19yo having two beers in their dorm or college apartment or at a college party is not dangerous. Unless they drink and then drive, then you are a danger to others as well as yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should it be expunged?

It is a serious offense.

Consequences teach valuable lessons.

Because it's one instance. If no one was hurt, this is going to be a significant deterrent to most people. We don't have to go for the jugular for EVERYTHING. Jesus.

Drunk driving, even involving teens, is almost never just a single instance thing.

You know at 19 she could drink 1/2 glass of wine and get a dui.

Well yes, everyone knows that, or should. If you are under 21, you know that any level of BAC over ZERO is eligible for a DUI and to loose your license. So smart kids under 21 do not drive if they have had anything to drink, even if it was 1 hour ago and only 1 beer.

So while you or I may have 1 drink with a 2 hour dinner and know we are good to drive (BAC is likely less than 0.01 by the time we get in a car, especially if the one drink was with food), someone under 21 knows that will get them arrested/DL suspended. So don't do it.

Similar to in our state it is illegal for the first 6 months with your DL to have anyone who is not immediate family under the age of 21 in your vehicle with you while driving. If you are pulled for ANYTHING and have a friend under 21 with you it impacts both the driver and the passenger(s). First time is a warning (unless it's an accident, then it can mean suspension immediately). 2nd offense is suspension for both driver and passenger(s) under 21. No questions asked. No lawyer will get you out of it either (based on FB/NextDoor in my area, as many have tried).

Our kids followed the rules, so did all of their friends. However, they know people at their HS who did not and lost their DL for 6 months.

So if you do stupid things, you win stupid prizes.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should it be expunged?

It is a serious offense.

Consequences teach valuable lessons.

Because it's one instance. If no one was hurt, this is going to be a significant deterrent to most people. We don't have to go for the jugular for EVERYTHING. Jesus.

Drunk driving, even involving teens, is almost never just a single instance thing.

You know at 19 she could drink 1/2 glass of wine and get a dui.

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Anonymous wrote:I do think that in this day and age with all the messaging about dui and all the ride share options, that someone who still chooses to drink and drive should lose their license. They do not have the maturity or sense of responsibility to drink responsibly. Since you can’t stop them from drinking, then the goal should be to make it as hard as possible for them to drive and to come down hard when they do.

While anyone charged with any offence has a right to legal help and should access that, the goal should not be to minimize consequences.

Do you even know what lawyers do?

OP, I'm sorry. I know this must be hard and worrying. I hope you find a good lawyer and your daughter learns a valuable lesson, if for nothing else but for her own safety. And ignore most of these sanctimonious posters. They either have super young kids or are clueless about what their kids actually do. Teens do dumb things. Their teens are no better.

I have a 25 and 20 yo. The 25yo has ADHD, impulse control issues, and yet neither has ever driven while drinking/drunk. Neither has ever done anything illegal (beyond drinking underaged at college parties, where you walk to/from). Not every teen does dumb things that are so dangerous and impact others. Neither have any of their friends from HS. And if you have a teen who seems inclined to do shi$ like that, it's your job as a parent to keep them under control (yes, it's harder than some other parents have it, but do your job).

This may be true - but it's just as likely that it isn't. You have absolutely no way of knowing, and it's hilarious, and a little sad, that you write with such certainty.

Because my kids and their friends talk to the adults in their lives. Shocking, right? That my teens and college aged kids talk to us and we believe them.

So you are stating with absolute certainly that you know everything that your 19 year old is doing at all times?

nope, don't know "everything". But they feel strongly about not drinking and driving, so I know they haven't done that and wouldn't. I know my 19 yo Pre-drinks at the apartment and then Ubers to bars (18+ allowed entry, cannot drink) because they told me why they Uber places when they have a car at college.
I know my older kid thought about getting a fake ID freshman year, then they and their friends decided it wasn't worth the risk (all were going into healthcare/areas where it could really impact your career prospects).
They are not perfect kids, but they sure as hell know not to do dumb ass things like drunk driving.

or texting and driving, they would never do that would they?

But also he/she earlier claimed they “never broke the law” but now it’s not so cut and dry. So typical.

It is you stating My kid must Text while driving. I never said that they did that (they don't, they know it's dumb and dangerous, just like drunk driving) So the most my kid has done is drink while in college (like most college kids do)---and they uber or walk for transportation. So absolutely no impact on anyone else. Their choices are not going to kill you or your family or your friends.

So they broke the law? But in a way that you’re ok with it so they are good?

If you were capable of reading and not just spewing BS responses, you'd know that I already stated that's the Only "illegal" thing they do. Just like 75%+ of college kids--they drink sometimes.

And yes, I'm okay with that. It literally impacts NOBODY else. They didnt' do it in HS, they waited to college. They are not stealing from someone or driving drunk that could kill someone. They simply have a drink on a Friday/Sat night and then responsibly walk/uber wherever they are going.

So then nothing I said is inaccurate. You're the one who claimed "they never broke the law" but then you came back and told us how they did, but just a little bit and you're ok with it.

Nope---never claimed "they never broke the law". I said "they never broke the law except drinking in college before age 21". See the difference? If you could read, you would find that back in the thread. So my statements are 100% accurate.

And yes, I'm okay with that, because it has zero impact on anyone else. My 18 yo just drinking a beer does not negatively impact anyone. Your 18 yo having a beer or two and driving could kill others or seriously injure them. Again, see how that is extremely different?

FFS THEY BROKE THE LAW NONETHELESS. It's just that you think it's ok they broke that particular law.

You're acting like this is some sort of gotcha when it's exactly what the PP has already said.

Because she is a hypocrite because she doesn't think that underage drinking is a problem and it's really bot big deal because that's the only time they broke the law. Underage drinking is against the law. Period. It absolutely can be dangerous and it contributes to ten deaths. Acting like a saint and judging OP when her kid also breaks the law is the epitome of hypocrisy.

I know someone who needs to look up the word "hypocrisy"

I'm stunned by the number of boys my kids know who have had either reckless driving convictions or dui convictions. Every single one of the boys I know with dui convictions was drinking alcohol by their sophomore year in hs and their parents knew and did not care. These are not low ses parents. Too many parents look away and consider hs drinking a rite of passage. It's utterly stupid that people still think this way.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should it be expunged?

It is a serious offense.

Consequences teach valuable lessons.

Because it's one instance. If no one was hurt, this is going to be a significant deterrent to most people. We don't have to go for the jugular for EVERYTHING. Jesus.

Drunk driving, even involving teens, is almost never just a single instance thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Ah, how does this still happen when there is Uber? Sorry, not very helpful but it’s so very frustrating.

This. I really don't get it.

It happens when you're a poor college kid and can't afford a $50 Uber ride. How is that so hard to imagine? Not an excuse, just a fact.

Or this ..
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/22/us/riley-strain-found-nashville-missing/index.html

First rule of going out (whether you are drinking or not), you stay with friends, you do not let a friend leave alone.

Exactly..

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This. I really don't get it.

It happens when you're a poor college kid and can't afford a $50 Uber ride. How is that so hard to imagine? Not an excuse, just a fact.

Or this ..
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/22/us/riley-strain-found-nashville-missing/index.html

First rule of going out (whether you are drinking or not), you stay with friends, you do not let a friend leave alone.

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While anyone charged with any offence has a right to legal help and should access that, the goal should not be to minimize consequences.

Do you even know what lawyers do?

OP, I'm sorry. I know this must be hard and worrying. I hope you find a good lawyer and your daughter learns a valuable lesson, if for nothing else but for her own safety. And ignore most of these sanctimonious posters. They either have super young kids or are clueless about what their kids actually do. Teens do dumb things. Their teens are no better.

I have a 25 and 20 yo. The 25yo has ADHD, impulse control issues, and yet neither has ever driven while drinking/drunk. Neither has ever done anything illegal (beyond drinking underaged at college parties, where you walk to/from). Not every teen does dumb things that are so dangerous and impact others. Neither have any of their friends from HS. And if you have a teen who seems inclined to do shi$ like that, it's your job as a parent to keep them under control (yes, it's harder than some other parents have it, but do your job).

This may be true - but it's just as likely that it isn't. You have absolutely no way of knowing, and it's hilarious, and a little sad, that you write with such certainty.

Because my kids and their friends talk to the adults in their lives. Shocking, right? That my teens and college aged kids talk to us and we believe them.

So you are stating with absolute certainly that you know everything that your 19 year old is doing at all times?

nope, don't know "everything". But they feel strongly about not drinking and driving, so I know they haven't done that and wouldn't. I know my 19 yo Pre-drinks at the apartment and then Ubers to bars (18+ allowed entry, cannot drink) because they told me why they Uber places when they have a car at college.
I know my older kid thought about getting a fake ID freshman year, then they and their friends decided it wasn't worth the risk (all were going into healthcare/areas where it could really impact your career prospects).
They are not perfect kids, but they sure as hell know not to do dumb ass things like drunk driving.

or texting and driving, they would never do that would they?

But also he/she earlier claimed they “never broke the law” but now it’s not so cut and dry. So typical.

It is you stating My kid must Text while driving. I never said that they did that (they don't, they know it's dumb and dangerous, just like drunk driving) So the most my kid has done is drink while in college (like most college kids do)---and they uber or walk for transportation. So absolutely no impact on anyone else. Their choices are not going to kill you or your family or your friends.

So they broke the law? But in a way that you’re ok with it so they are good?

If you were capable of reading and not just spewing BS responses, you'd know that I already stated that's the Only "illegal" thing they do. Just like 75%+ of college kids--they drink sometimes.

And yes, I'm okay with that. It literally impacts NOBODY else. They didnt' do it in HS, they waited to college. They are not stealing from someone or driving drunk that could kill someone. They simply have a drink on a Friday/Sat night and then responsibly walk/uber wherever they are going.

So then nothing I said is inaccurate. You're the one who claimed "they never broke the law" but then you came back and told us how they did, but just a little bit and you're ok with it.

Nope---never claimed "they never broke the law". I said "they never broke the law except drinking in college before age 21". See the difference? If you could read, you would find that back in the thread. So my statements are 100% accurate.

And yes, I'm okay with that, because it has zero impact on anyone else. My 18 yo just drinking a beer does not negatively impact anyone. Your 18 yo having a beer or two and driving could kill others or seriously injure them. Again, see how that is extremely different?

FFS THEY BROKE THE LAW NONETHELESS. It's just that you think it's ok they broke that particular law.

You're acting like this is some sort of gotcha when it's exactly what the PP has already said.

Because she is a hypocrite because she doesn't think that underage drinking is a problem and it's really bot big deal because that's the only time they broke the law. Underage drinking is against the law. Period. It absolutely can be dangerous and it contributes to ten deaths. Acting like a saint and judging OP when her kid also breaks the law is the epitome of hypocrisy.

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While anyone charged with any offence has a right to legal help and should access that, the goal should not be to minimize consequences.

Do you even know what lawyers do?

OP, I'm sorry. I know this must be hard and worrying. I hope you find a good lawyer and your daughter learns a valuable lesson, if for nothing else but for her own safety. And ignore most of these sanctimonious posters. They either have super young kids or are clueless about what their kids actually do. Teens do dumb things. Their teens are no better.

I have a 25 and 20 yo. The 25yo has ADHD, impulse control issues, and yet neither has ever driven while drinking/drunk. Neither has ever done anything illegal (beyond drinking underaged at college parties, where you walk to/from). Not every teen does dumb things that are so dangerous and impact others. Neither have any of their friends from HS. And if you have a teen who seems inclined to do shi$ like that, it's your job as a parent to keep them under control (yes, it's harder than some other parents have it, but do your job).

This may be true - but it's just as likely that it isn't. You have absolutely no way of knowing, and it's hilarious, and a little sad, that you write with such certainty.

Because my kids and their friends talk to the adults in their lives. Shocking, right? That my teens and college aged kids talk to us and we believe them.

So you are stating with absolute certainly that you know everything that your 19 year old is doing at all times?

nope, don't know "everything". But they feel strongly about not drinking and driving, so I know they haven't done that and wouldn't. I know my 19 yo Pre-drinks at the apartment and then Ubers to bars (18+ allowed entry, cannot drink) because they told me why they Uber places when they have a car at college.
I know my older kid thought about getting a fake ID freshman year, then they and their friends decided it wasn't worth the risk (all were going into healthcare/areas where it could really impact your career prospects).
They are not perfect kids, but they sure as hell know not to do dumb ass things like drunk driving.

or texting and driving, they would never do that would they?

But also he/she earlier claimed they “never broke the law” but now it’s not so cut and dry. So typical.

It is you stating My kid must Text while driving. I never said that they did that (they don't, they know it's dumb and dangerous, just like drunk driving) So the most my kid has done is drink while in college (like most college kids do)---and they uber or walk for transportation. So absolutely no impact on anyone else. Their choices are not going to kill you or your family or your friends.

So they broke the law? But in a way that you’re ok with it so they are good?

If you were capable of reading and not just spewing BS responses, you'd know that I already stated that's the Only "illegal" thing they do. Just like 75%+ of college kids--they drink sometimes.

And yes, I'm okay with that. It literally impacts NOBODY else. They didnt' do it in HS, they waited to college. They are not stealing from someone or driving drunk that could kill someone. They simply have a drink on a Friday/Sat night and then responsibly walk/uber wherever they are going.

So then nothing I said is inaccurate. You're the one who claimed "they never broke the law" but then you came back and told us how they did, but just a little bit and you're ok with it.

Nope---never claimed "they never broke the law". I said "they never broke the law except drinking in college before age 21". See the difference? If you could read, you would find that back in the thread. So my statements are 100% accurate.

And yes, I'm okay with that, because it has zero impact on anyone else. My 18 yo just drinking a beer does not negatively impact anyone. Your 18 yo having a beer or two and driving could kill others or seriously injure them. Again, see how that is extremely different?

FFS THEY BROKE THE LAW NONETHELESS. It's just that you think it's ok they broke that particular law.

You're acting like this is some sort of gotcha when it's exactly what the PP has already said.

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Anonymous wrote:Ah, how does this still happen when there is Uber? Sorry, not very helpful but it’s so very frustrating.

This. I really don't get it.

It happens when you're a poor college kid and can't afford a $50 Uber ride. How is that so hard to imagine? Not an excuse, just a fact.

Or this ..
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/22/us/riley-strain-found-nashville-missing/index.html

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While anyone charged with any offence has a right to legal help and should access that, the goal should not be to minimize consequences.

Do you even know what lawyers do?

OP, I'm sorry. I know this must be hard and worrying. I hope you find a good lawyer and your daughter learns a valuable lesson, if for nothing else but for her own safety. And ignore most of these sanctimonious posters. They either have super young kids or are clueless about what their kids actually do. Teens do dumb things. Their teens are no better.

I have a 25 and 20 yo. The 25yo has ADHD, impulse control issues, and yet neither has ever driven while drinking/drunk. Neither has ever done anything illegal (beyond drinking underaged at college parties, where you walk to/from). Not every teen does dumb things that are so dangerous and impact others. Neither have any of their friends from HS. And if you have a teen who seems inclined to do shi$ like that, it's your job as a parent to keep them under control (yes, it's harder than some other parents have it, but do your job).

This may be true - but it's just as likely that it isn't. You have absolutely no way of knowing, and it's hilarious, and a little sad, that you write with such certainty.

Because my kids and their friends talk to the adults in their lives. Shocking, right? That my teens and college aged kids talk to us and we believe them.

So you are stating with absolute certainly that you know everything that your 19 year old is doing at all times?

nope, don't know "everything". But they feel strongly about not drinking and driving, so I know they haven't done that and wouldn't. I know my 19 yo Pre-drinks at the apartment and then Ubers to bars (18+ allowed entry, cannot drink) because they told me why they Uber places when they have a car at college.
I know my older kid thought about getting a fake ID freshman year, then they and their friends decided it wasn't worth the risk (all were going into healthcare/areas where it could really impact your career prospects).
They are not perfect kids, but they sure as hell know not to do dumb ass things like drunk driving.

or texting and driving, they would never do that would they?

But also he/she earlier claimed they “never broke the law” but now it’s not so cut and dry. So typical.

It is you stating My kid must Text while driving. I never said that they did that (they don't, they know it's dumb and dangerous, just like drunk driving) So the most my kid has done is drink while in college (like most college kids do)---and they uber or walk for transportation. So absolutely no impact on anyone else. Their choices are not going to kill you or your family or your friends.

So they broke the law? But in a way that you’re ok with it so they are good?

If you were capable of reading and not just spewing BS responses, you'd know that I already stated that's the Only "illegal" thing they do. Just like 75%+ of college kids--they drink sometimes.

And yes, I'm okay with that. It literally impacts NOBODY else. They didnt' do it in HS, they waited to college. They are not stealing from someone or driving drunk that could kill someone. They simply have a drink on a Friday/Sat night and then responsibly walk/uber wherever they are going.

So then nothing I said is inaccurate. You're the one who claimed "they never broke the law" but then you came back and told us how they did, but just a little bit and you're ok with it.

Nope---never claimed "they never broke the law". I said "they never broke the law except drinking in college before age 21". See the difference? If you could read, you would find that back in the thread. So my statements are 100% accurate.

And yes, I'm okay with that, because it has zero impact on anyone else. My 18 yo just drinking a beer does not negatively impact anyone. Your 18 yo having a beer or two and driving could kill others or seriously injure them. Again, see how that is extremely different?

FFS THEY BROKE THE LAW NONETHELESS. It's just that you think it's ok they broke that particular law.

And FFS, I NEVER said they didn't break the law. I said that drinking at college before 21 is the ONLY time they have broken the law. And yes, they broke a law where them doing that has literally NO impact on anyone else. Versus Drunk Driving which can KILL someone! So yes, there is a HUGE difference