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Anonymous wrote:I'm a 52 year old mom of two daughters 18 and 20.

None of us have ever had to deal with sexual harassment. Calm down.

Same.

Same here. I think it makes 5 of us on this thread so far. I was beautiful in my teens/20s/30s and always dated very attractive, successful men (and then married one --a physician). But I was never really harassed--not even really cat called.

I don't really exude sexuality or vulnerability. I've never dressed provocatively or even very femininely. I'm not saying that women should change their dress to avoid harassment but I've always wondered why I never got harassed why other women say they were continually and I assume it must have had something to do with my clothing. I otherwise don't know.

One theory I have is some of it is whether you stand out in some way. Are you average height, average hair color, average build etc? Dress just fitting in? I have a friend like this and we would talk about it and no one really bothered her. She just blended in.

I am tall and blond and got harassed a bunch. I think I both stuck out and was memorable for people who might see me repeatedly during regular day to day life.

Also have you lived in a city. I challenge a decently attractive and young woman to walk 20 blocks in a real city daily for a month and not have someone call out to them or something happen.

But as someone else said, so what? Dont escalate. Keep walking. Its not that traumatic.

Ive lived in DC since age 16. Im now 40. I cant remember ever being traumatized by cat calls. You just roll your eyes and keep moving.

Ugly duckling syndrome, just shut up. The fact that some women don't like it should be enough for you to shut up on this topic. By the way, 1 in 5 women have been raped. Just leaving that fact out there.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a 52 year old mom of two daughters 18 and 20.

None of us have ever had to deal with sexual harassment. Calm down.

Same.

Same here. I think it makes 5 of us on this thread so far. I was beautiful in my teens/20s/30s and always dated very attractive, successful men (and then married one --a physician). But I was never really harassed--not even really cat called.

I don't really exude sexuality or vulnerability. I've never dressed provocatively or even very femininely. I'm not saying that women should change their dress to avoid harassment but I've always wondered why I never got harassed why other women say they were continually and I assume it must have had something to do with my clothing. I otherwise don't know.

One theory I have is some of it is whether you stand out in some way. Are you average height, average hair color, average build etc? Dress just fitting in? I have a friend like this and we would talk about it and no one really bothered her. She just blended in.

I am tall and blond and got harassed a bunch. I think I both stuck out and was memorable for people who might see me repeatedly during regular day to day life.

Also have you lived in a city. I challenge a decently attractive and young woman to walk 20 blocks in a real city daily for a month and not have someone call out to them or something happen.

But as someone else said, so what? Dont escalate. Keep walking. Its not that traumatic.

Ive lived in DC since age 16. Im now 40. I cant remember ever being traumatized by cat calls. You just roll your eyes and keep moving.

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Anonymous wrote:PP above and I forgot to add that I was sexually assaulted multiple times in my late teens and 20s and didn’t even fully understand it was sexual assault until the last time (when I pressed charges and was ready to testify until last-minute plea deal). That’s why I have started so early with DD.

I’m sorry this happened to you.
I’m not really understanding a sexual assault that you “didn’t really understand was sexual assault” until it happened to you several times.
Obviously that sounds horrific. Very confusing though for the guy as well if he also didn’t realize that it was against your will? Just trying to figure out how that is communicated after the fact so that he is also aware that you now realize it was sexual assault.

I am not PP but a lot of people think it isn't assault if it isn't violent rape. Too drunk to consent, froze up, groped but no penetration - lots of people wrongly think these are not assault.

How is the guy going to know that you don’t want it if you don’t say no.

Unless she clearly says yes, it should not proceed. PERIOD. My friends with boys are teaching their boys this.

If they are drinking to the point of drunk and unable to consent it shoudl not go forward.

Boys aren't animals. It's time we stop treating them like they are not capable of knowing when there is consent.

It’s well past time to stop teaching girls that they can’t use their words. Stop infantilizing women and girls. Don’t teach your daughters that her safety is anyone’s responsibility but her own, for starters.

Nope. If she is drunk or roofied or scared, it's not OK to have sex with her. Yes it would be better if she hadn't got in that situation but the partner who proceeds without consent is responsible for that choice he is making. Stop acting like men can't help themselves. And stop acting like the goal should be anything except enthusiastic participation.

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Anonymous wrote:PP above and I forgot to add that I was sexually assaulted multiple times in my late teens and 20s and didn’t even fully understand it was sexual assault until the last time (when I pressed charges and was ready to testify until last-minute plea deal). That’s why I have started so early with DD.

I’m sorry this happened to you.
I’m not really understanding a sexual assault that you “didn’t really understand was sexual assault” until it happened to you several times.
Obviously that sounds horrific. Very confusing though for the guy as well if he also didn’t realize that it was against your will? Just trying to figure out how that is communicated after the fact so that he is also aware that you now realize it was sexual assault.

I am not PP but a lot of people think it isn't assault if it isn't violent rape. Too drunk to consent, froze up, groped but no penetration - lots of people wrongly think these are not assault.

How is the guy going to know that you don’t want it if you don’t say no.

Unless she clearly says yes, it should not proceed. PERIOD. My friends with boys are teaching their boys this.

If they are drinking to the point of drunk and unable to consent it shoudl not go forward.

Boys aren't animals. It's time we stop treating them like they are not capable of knowing when there is consent.

It’s well past time to stop teaching girls that they can’t use their words. Stop infantilizing women and girls. Don’t teach your daughters that her safety is anyone’s responsibility but her own, for starters.

Gross!!! No I'm sorry, I'm just not going to accept the concept that women have to constantly shoot down advances and if they don't do so aggressively enough for the dumb h*rny male to understand she's giving him a blank check to rape her. Proposition declined. Thank you for illustrating the predatory male entitlement to sex though.

WTF are you on about? Your response is so disconnected from the post you replied to (and reality) that I suggest you might need to call a hotline of some variety.

You are saying men get to badger women for sex constantly and it is the woman's responsibility to say no. It is disgusting. You might be on a list of some kind.

That is not at all what was said. You are completely unhinged.

"It’s well past time to stop teaching girls that they can’t use their words. Stop infantilizing women and girls. Don’t teach your daughters that her safety is anyone’s responsibility but her own, for starters."
You are explicitly saying men are entitled to peddle their d--- and its on the woman to say no. Stop gaslighting.

I don’t even know what “peddle their d—-“ is supposed to mean. Use your big girl words.

"Hey baby how you doin?"
"I've never seen a girl as beautiful as you, can I have your number?"
"Do you have a boyfriend"

This is all d--- peddling. An invitation to sex. Women should not have to constantly push away advances for sex for the sin of being a reproductive aged woman in a public space

I see. Yes, all of those statements are allowed. They might be annoying and unwelcome, but there is nothing remotely harmful to the person on the receiving end.

I mean, think of the many people who are forced to interact with *you* every day. I can’t imagine many people don’t find your unhinged pseudo-feminist ranting annoying and unwelcome, but you’re not actually harming anyone and you certainly aren’t assaulting them!

There's a lot of confusion through this whole thread about what harassment is. Unwelcome advances are harassment, regardless of whether anyone was harmed or traumatized or sad. It doesn't have to ruin your week in order to be harassment.

And no, calling out to someone on the street to ask if she has a boyfriend is not "starting a conversation." It's harassment. If you actually wanted to have a conversation, that's not how you'd do it and everyone knows that.

Somebody actually said you can grope a boob and if a woman says no and pulls away the boob grope wasn't assault. OP should have her DD read this thread!

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Anonymous wrote:PP above and I forgot to add that I was sexually assaulted multiple times in my late teens and 20s and didn’t even fully understand it was sexual assault until the last time (when I pressed charges and was ready to testify until last-minute plea deal). That’s why I have started so early with DD.

I’m sorry this happened to you.
I’m not really understanding a sexual assault that you “didn’t really understand was sexual assault” until it happened to you several times.
Obviously that sounds horrific. Very confusing though for the guy as well if he also didn’t realize that it was against your will? Just trying to figure out how that is communicated after the fact so that he is also aware that you now realize it was sexual assault.

I am not PP but a lot of people think it isn't assault if it isn't violent rape. Too drunk to consent, froze up, groped but no penetration - lots of people wrongly think these are not assault.

How is the guy going to know that you don’t want it if you don’t say no.

Unless she clearly says yes, it should not proceed. PERIOD. My friends with boys are teaching their boys this.

If they are drinking to the point of drunk and unable to consent it shoudl not go forward.

Boys aren't animals. It's time we stop treating them like they are not capable of knowing when there is consent.

It’s well past time to stop teaching girls that they can’t use their words. Stop infantilizing women and girls. Don’t teach your daughters that her safety is anyone’s responsibility but her own, for starters.

Gross!!! No I'm sorry, I'm just not going to accept the concept that women have to constantly shoot down advances and if they don't do so aggressively enough for the dumb h*rny male to understand she's giving him a blank check to rape her. Proposition declined. Thank you for illustrating the predatory male entitlement to sex though.

WTF are you on about? Your response is so disconnected from the post you replied to (and reality) that I suggest you might need to call a hotline of some variety.

You are saying men get to badger women for sex constantly and it is the woman's responsibility to say no. It is disgusting. You might be on a list of some kind.

That is not at all what was said. You are completely unhinged.

"It’s well past time to stop teaching girls that they can’t use their words. Stop infantilizing women and girls. Don’t teach your daughters that her safety is anyone’s responsibility but her own, for starters."
You are explicitly saying men are entitled to peddle their d--- and its on the woman to say no. Stop gaslighting.

I don’t even know what “peddle their d—-“ is supposed to mean. Use your big girl words.

"Hey baby how you doin?"
"I've never seen a girl as beautiful as you, can I have your number?"
"Do you have a boyfriend"

This is all d--- peddling. An invitation to sex. Women should not have to constantly push away advances for sex for the sin of being a reproductive aged woman in a public space

I see. Yes, all of those statements are allowed. They might be annoying and unwelcome, but there is nothing remotely harmful to the person on the receiving end.

I mean, think of the many people who are forced to interact with *you* every day. I can’t imagine many people don’t find your unhinged pseudo-feminist ranting annoying and unwelcome, but you’re not actually harming anyone and you certainly aren’t assaulting them!

Ugly duckling syndrome. Women don't get to have nice things because we won't stand up for each other on the most basic of things, like whether or not women should have to entertain endless sexual advances from strange men.

I once made a ratemd post on a real pig of an OB* who made an inappropriate sexual joke to me. Future commentators actually raved about how great he was and how wrong I am.

*later found out he got a sanction from the medical board for ignoring a dangerous fetal heart rhythm and killing a baby. Most OBs are women nowadays so we can't even agree on whether an OB gets to keep his licence after killing a baby

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Anonymous wrote:PP above and I forgot to add that I was sexually assaulted multiple times in my late teens and 20s and didn’t even fully understand it was sexual assault until the last time (when I pressed charges and was ready to testify until last-minute plea deal). That’s why I have started so early with DD.

I’m sorry this happened to you.
I’m not really understanding a sexual assault that you “didn’t really understand was sexual assault” until it happened to you several times.
Obviously that sounds horrific. Very confusing though for the guy as well if he also didn’t realize that it was against your will? Just trying to figure out how that is communicated after the fact so that he is also aware that you now realize it was sexual assault.

I am not PP but a lot of people think it isn't assault if it isn't violent rape. Too drunk to consent, froze up, groped but no penetration - lots of people wrongly think these are not assault.

How is the guy going to know that you don’t want it if you don’t say no.

Unless she clearly says yes, it should not proceed. PERIOD. My friends with boys are teaching their boys this.

If they are drinking to the point of drunk and unable to consent it shoudl not go forward.

Boys aren't animals. It's time we stop treating them like they are not capable of knowing when there is consent.

It’s well past time to stop teaching girls that they can’t use their words. Stop infantilizing women and girls. Don’t teach your daughters that her safety is anyone’s responsibility but her own, for starters.

Gross!!! No I'm sorry, I'm just not going to accept the concept that women have to constantly shoot down advances and if they don't do so aggressively enough for the dumb h*rny male to understand she's giving him a blank check to rape her. Proposition declined. Thank you for illustrating the predatory male entitlement to sex though.

WTF are you on about? Your response is so disconnected from the post you replied to (and reality) that I suggest you might need to call a hotline of some variety.

You are saying men get to badger women for sex constantly and it is the woman's responsibility to say no. It is disgusting. You might be on a list of some kind.

That is not at all what was said. You are completely unhinged.

"It’s well past time to stop teaching girls that they can’t use their words. Stop infantilizing women and girls. Don’t teach your daughters that her safety is anyone’s responsibility but her own, for starters."
You are explicitly saying men are entitled to peddle their d--- and its on the woman to say no. Stop gaslighting.

I don’t even know what “peddle their d—-“ is supposed to mean. Use your big girl words.

"Hey baby how you doin?"
"I've never seen a girl as beautiful as you, can I have your number?"
"Do you have a boyfriend"

This is all d--- peddling. An invitation to sex. Women should not have to constantly push away advances for sex for the sin of being a reproductive aged woman in a public space

I see. Yes, all of those statements are allowed. They might be annoying and unwelcome, but there is nothing remotely harmful to the person on the receiving end.

I mean, think of the many people who are forced to interact with *you* every day. I can’t imagine many people don’t find your unhinged pseudo-feminist ranting annoying and unwelcome, but you’re not actually harming anyone and you certainly aren’t assaulting them!

There's a lot of confusion through this whole thread about what harassment is. Unwelcome advances are harassment, regardless of whether anyone was harmed or traumatized or sad. It doesn't have to ruin your week in order to be harassment.

And no, calling out to someone on the street to ask if she has a boyfriend is not "starting a conversation." It's harassment. If you actually wanted to have a conversation, that's not how you'd do it and everyone knows that.

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Anonymous wrote:PP above and I forgot to add that I was sexually assaulted multiple times in my late teens and 20s and didn’t even fully understand it was sexual assault until the last time (when I pressed charges and was ready to testify until last-minute plea deal). That’s why I have started so early with DD.

I’m sorry this happened to you.
I’m not really understanding a sexual assault that you “didn’t really understand was sexual assault” until it happened to you several times.
Obviously that sounds horrific. Very confusing though for the guy as well if he also didn’t realize that it was against your will? Just trying to figure out how that is communicated after the fact so that he is also aware that you now realize it was sexual assault.

I am not PP but a lot of people think it isn't assault if it isn't violent rape. Too drunk to consent, froze up, groped but no penetration - lots of people wrongly think these are not assault.

How is the guy going to know that you don’t want it if you don’t say no.

Follow the rules of kindergarten and keep your hands to yourself.

Better start teaching your daughters to make the first move or be prepared for no grandkids!

You're basically admitting you've never had a woman initiate sex a single time. Kind of gross dude.

Sex? You’re way ahead of things here. The women on this thread are whining about initiating a *conversation*

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Anonymous wrote:PP above and I forgot to add that I was sexually assaulted multiple times in my late teens and 20s and didn’t even fully understand it was sexual assault until the last time (when I pressed charges and was ready to testify until last-minute plea deal). That’s why I have started so early with DD.

I’m sorry this happened to you.
I’m not really understanding a sexual assault that you “didn’t really understand was sexual assault” until it happened to you several times.
Obviously that sounds horrific. Very confusing though for the guy as well if he also didn’t realize that it was against your will? Just trying to figure out how that is communicated after the fact so that he is also aware that you now realize it was sexual assault.

I am not PP but a lot of people think it isn't assault if it isn't violent rape. Too drunk to consent, froze up, groped but no penetration - lots of people wrongly think these are not assault.

How is the guy going to know that you don’t want it if you don’t say no.

Unless she clearly says yes, it should not proceed. PERIOD. My friends with boys are teaching their boys this.

If they are drinking to the point of drunk and unable to consent it shoudl not go forward.

Boys aren't animals. It's time we stop treating them like they are not capable of knowing when there is consent.

It’s well past time to stop teaching girls that they can’t use their words. Stop infantilizing women and girls. Don’t teach your daughters that her safety is anyone’s responsibility but her own, for starters.

Gross!!! No I'm sorry, I'm just not going to accept the concept that women have to constantly shoot down advances and if they don't do so aggressively enough for the dumb h*rny male to understand she's giving him a blank check to rape her. Proposition declined. Thank you for illustrating the predatory male entitlement to sex though.

WTF are you on about? Your response is so disconnected from the post you replied to (and reality) that I suggest you might need to call a hotline of some variety.

You are saying men get to badger women for sex constantly and it is the woman's responsibility to say no. It is disgusting. You might be on a list of some kind.

That is not at all what was said. You are completely unhinged.

"It’s well past time to stop teaching girls that they can’t use their words. Stop infantilizing women and girls. Don’t teach your daughters that her safety is anyone’s responsibility but her own, for starters."
You are explicitly saying men are entitled to peddle their d--- and its on the woman to say no. Stop gaslighting.

I don’t even know what “peddle their d—-“ is supposed to mean. Use your big girl words.

"Hey baby how you doin?"
"I've never seen a girl as beautiful as you, can I have your number?"
"Do you have a boyfriend"

This is all d--- peddling. An invitation to sex. Women should not have to constantly push away advances for sex for the sin of being a reproductive aged woman in a public space

I see. Yes, all of those statements are allowed. They might be annoying and unwelcome, but there is nothing remotely harmful to the person on the receiving end.

I mean, think of the many people who are forced to interact with *you* every day. I can’t imagine many people don’t find your unhinged pseudo-feminist ranting annoying and unwelcome, but you’re not actually harming anyone and you certainly aren’t assaulting them!

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Anonymous wrote:PP above and I forgot to add that I was sexually assaulted multiple times in my late teens and 20s and didn’t even fully understand it was sexual assault until the last time (when I pressed charges and was ready to testify until last-minute plea deal). That’s why I have started so early with DD.

I’m sorry this happened to you.
I’m not really understanding a sexual assault that you “didn’t really understand was sexual assault” until it happened to you several times.
Obviously that sounds horrific. Very confusing though for the guy as well if he also didn’t realize that it was against your will? Just trying to figure out how that is communicated after the fact so that he is also aware that you now realize it was sexual assault.

I am not PP but a lot of people think it isn't assault if it isn't violent rape. Too drunk to consent, froze up, groped but no penetration - lots of people wrongly think these are not assault.

How is the guy going to know that you don’t want it if you don’t say no.

Follow the rules of kindergarten and keep your hands to yourself.

Better start teaching your daughters to make the first move or be prepared for no grandkids!

You're basically admitting you've never had a woman initiate sex a single time. Kind of gross dude.

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Anonymous wrote:PP above and I forgot to add that I was sexually assaulted multiple times in my late teens and 20s and didn’t even fully understand it was sexual assault until the last time (when I pressed charges and was ready to testify until last-minute plea deal). That’s why I have started so early with DD.

I’m sorry this happened to you.
I’m not really understanding a sexual assault that you “didn’t really understand was sexual assault” until it happened to you several times.
Obviously that sounds horrific. Very confusing though for the guy as well if he also didn’t realize that it was against your will? Just trying to figure out how that is communicated after the fact so that he is also aware that you now realize it was sexual assault.

I am not PP but a lot of people think it isn't assault if it isn't violent rape. Too drunk to consent, froze up, groped but no penetration - lots of people wrongly think these are not assault.

How is the guy going to know that you don’t want it if you don’t say no.

Unless she clearly says yes, it should not proceed. PERIOD. My friends with boys are teaching their boys this.

If they are drinking to the point of drunk and unable to consent it shoudl not go forward.

Boys aren't animals. It's time we stop treating them like they are not capable of knowing when there is consent.

It’s well past time to stop teaching girls that they can’t use their words. Stop infantilizing women and girls. Don’t teach your daughters that her safety is anyone’s responsibility but her own, for starters.

Gross!!! No I'm sorry, I'm just not going to accept the concept that women have to constantly shoot down advances and if they don't do so aggressively enough for the dumb h*rny male to understand she's giving him a blank check to rape her. Proposition declined. Thank you for illustrating the predatory male entitlement to sex though.

WTF are you on about? Your response is so disconnected from the post you replied to (and reality) that I suggest you might need to call a hotline of some variety.

You are saying men get to badger women for sex constantly and it is the woman's responsibility to say no. It is disgusting. You might be on a list of some kind.

That is not at all what was said. You are completely unhinged.

"It’s well past time to stop teaching girls that they can’t use their words. Stop infantilizing women and girls. Don’t teach your daughters that her safety is anyone’s responsibility but her own, for starters."
You are explicitly saying men are entitled to peddle their d--- and its on the woman to say no. Stop gaslighting.

I don’t even know what “peddle their d—-“ is supposed to mean. Use your big girl words.

"Hey baby how you doin?"
"I've never seen a girl as beautiful as you, can I have your number?"
"Do you have a boyfriend"

This is all d--- peddling. An invitation to sex. Women should not have to constantly push away advances for sex for the sin of being a reproductive aged woman in a public space

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Anonymous wrote:PP above and I forgot to add that I was sexually assaulted multiple times in my late teens and 20s and didn’t even fully understand it was sexual assault until the last time (when I pressed charges and was ready to testify until last-minute plea deal). That’s why I have started so early with DD.

I’m sorry this happened to you.
I’m not really understanding a sexual assault that you “didn’t really understand was sexual assault” until it happened to you several times.
Obviously that sounds horrific. Very confusing though for the guy as well if he also didn’t realize that it was against your will? Just trying to figure out how that is communicated after the fact so that he is also aware that you now realize it was sexual assault.

I am not PP but a lot of people think it isn't assault if it isn't violent rape. Too drunk to consent, froze up, groped but no penetration - lots of people wrongly think these are not assault.

How is the guy going to know that you don’t want it if you don’t say no.

Unless she clearly says yes, it should not proceed. PERIOD. My friends with boys are teaching their boys this.

If they are drinking to the point of drunk and unable to consent it shoudl not go forward.

Boys aren't animals. It's time we stop treating them like they are not capable of knowing when there is consent.

It’s well past time to stop teaching girls that they can’t use their words. Stop infantilizing women and girls. Don’t teach your daughters that her safety is anyone’s responsibility but her own, for starters.

Gross!!! No I'm sorry, I'm just not going to accept the concept that women have to constantly shoot down advances and if they don't do so aggressively enough for the dumb h*rny male to understand she's giving him a blank check to rape her. Proposition declined. Thank you for illustrating the predatory male entitlement to sex though.

WTF are you on about? Your response is so disconnected from the post you replied to (and reality) that I suggest you might need to call a hotline of some variety.

You are saying men get to badger women for sex constantly and it is the woman's responsibility to say no. It is disgusting. You might be on a list of some kind.

That is not at all what was said. You are completely unhinged.

"It’s well past time to stop teaching girls that they can’t use their words. Stop infantilizing women and girls. Don’t teach your daughters that her safety is anyone’s responsibility but her own, for starters."
You are explicitly saying men are entitled to peddle their d--- and its on the woman to say no. Stop gaslighting.

I don’t even know what “peddle their d—-“ is supposed to mean. Use your big girl words.

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Anonymous wrote:PP above and I forgot to add that I was sexually assaulted multiple times in my late teens and 20s and didn’t even fully understand it was sexual assault until the last time (when I pressed charges and was ready to testify until last-minute plea deal). That’s why I have started so early with DD.

I’m sorry this happened to you.
I’m not really understanding a sexual assault that you “didn’t really understand was sexual assault” until it happened to you several times.
Obviously that sounds horrific. Very confusing though for the guy as well if he also didn’t realize that it was against your will? Just trying to figure out how that is communicated after the fact so that he is also aware that you now realize it was sexual assault.

I am not PP but a lot of people think it isn't assault if it isn't violent rape. Too drunk to consent, froze up, groped but no penetration - lots of people wrongly think these are not assault.

How is the guy going to know that you don’t want it if you don’t say no.

Unless she clearly says yes, it should not proceed. PERIOD. My friends with boys are teaching their boys this.

If they are drinking to the point of drunk and unable to consent it shoudl not go forward.

Boys aren't animals. It's time we stop treating them like they are not capable of knowing when there is consent.

It’s well past time to stop teaching girls that they can’t use their words. Stop infantilizing women and girls. Don’t teach your daughters that her safety is anyone’s responsibility but her own, for starters.

Gross!!! No I'm sorry, I'm just not going to accept the concept that women have to constantly shoot down advances and if they don't do so aggressively enough for the dumb h*rny male to understand she's giving him a blank check to rape her. Proposition declined. Thank you for illustrating the predatory male entitlement to sex though.

WTF are you on about? Your response is so disconnected from the post you replied to (and reality) that I suggest you might need to call a hotline of some variety.

You are saying men get to badger women for sex constantly and it is the woman's responsibility to say no. It is disgusting. You might be on a list of some kind.

That is not at all what was said. You are completely unhinged.

"It’s well past time to stop teaching girls that they can’t use their words. Stop infantilizing women and girls. Don’t teach your daughters that her safety is anyone’s responsibility but her own, for starters."
You are explicitly saying men are entitled to peddle their d--- and its on the woman to say no. Stop gaslighting.

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Anonymous wrote:PP above and I forgot to add that I was sexually assaulted multiple times in my late teens and 20s and didn’t even fully understand it was sexual assault until the last time (when I pressed charges and was ready to testify until last-minute plea deal). That’s why I have started so early with DD.

I’m sorry this happened to you.
I’m not really understanding a sexual assault that you “didn’t really understand was sexual assault” until it happened to you several times.
Obviously that sounds horrific. Very confusing though for the guy as well if he also didn’t realize that it was against your will? Just trying to figure out how that is communicated after the fact so that he is also aware that you now realize it was sexual assault.

I am not PP but a lot of people think it isn't assault if it isn't violent rape. Too drunk to consent, froze up, groped but no penetration - lots of people wrongly think these are not assault.

How is the guy going to know that you don’t want it if you don’t say no.

Follow the rules of kindergarten and keep your hands to yourself.

Better start teaching your daughters to make the first move or be prepared for no grandkids!

My child reproducing is her business. I'm not asking for grandkids from her. And it's weird that you would leave such a comment on a thread about sexual assault

It was the royal “you” ma’am.

What’s really weird is how some of you think teens and young adults are actually going to get signed consent forms at some point before every step of courtship, for lack of a better term. This is a completely unreasonable and unrealistic expectation.

A more normal response is to expect some amount of kissing or touching to occur, so teach your daughter (or son) to say no when the kissing or touching is not okay anymore (and of course the other person should now stop), but also that the last instance of touching which prompted said “no” is not actually sexual assault. For God’s sake, people.

Your officer, it was just the tip! I pulled it out right away!

Please. PP is right. No one “gets explicit consent” at every step of the way.

I have literally said, "Do you want to f---?". If you're playing the "well she hasn't said no yet" game you can easily end up groping or raping somebody. Also, not uncommon that rape victim freezes up and says nothing. Crazy town idea, don't aggressively peddle your d--- onto lukewarm women?????

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP above and I forgot to add that I was sexually assaulted multiple times in my late teens and 20s and didn’t even fully understand it was sexual assault until the last time (when I pressed charges and was ready to testify until last-minute plea deal). That’s why I have started so early with DD.

I’m sorry this happened to you.
I’m not really understanding a sexual assault that you “didn’t really understand was sexual assault” until it happened to you several times.
Obviously that sounds horrific. Very confusing though for the guy as well if he also didn’t realize that it was against your will? Just trying to figure out how that is communicated after the fact so that he is also aware that you now realize it was sexual assault.

I am not PP but a lot of people think it isn't assault if it isn't violent rape. Too drunk to consent, froze up, groped but no penetration - lots of people wrongly think these are not assault.

How is the guy going to know that you don’t want it if you don’t say no.

Unless she clearly says yes, it should not proceed. PERIOD. My friends with boys are teaching their boys this.

If they are drinking to the point of drunk and unable to consent it shoudl not go forward.

Boys aren't animals. It's time we stop treating them like they are not capable of knowing when there is consent.

It’s well past time to stop teaching girls that they can’t use their words. Stop infantilizing women and girls. Don’t teach your daughters that her safety is anyone’s responsibility but her own, for starters.

Gross!!! No I'm sorry, I'm just not going to accept the concept that women have to constantly shoot down advances and if they don't do so aggressively enough for the dumb h*rny male to understand she's giving him a blank check to rape her. Proposition declined. Thank you for illustrating the predatory male entitlement to sex though.

WTF are you on about? Your response is so disconnected from the post you replied to (and reality) that I suggest you might need to call a hotline of some variety.

You are saying men get to badger women for sex constantly and it is the woman's responsibility to say no. It is disgusting. You might be on a list of some kind.

That is not at all what was said. You are completely unhinged.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP above and I forgot to add that I was sexually assaulted multiple times in my late teens and 20s and didn’t even fully understand it was sexual assault until the last time (when I pressed charges and was ready to testify until last-minute plea deal). That’s why I have started so early with DD.

I’m sorry this happened to you.
I’m not really understanding a sexual assault that you “didn’t really understand was sexual assault” until it happened to you several times.
Obviously that sounds horrific. Very confusing though for the guy as well if he also didn’t realize that it was against your will? Just trying to figure out how that is communicated after the fact so that he is also aware that you now realize it was sexual assault.

I am not PP but a lot of people think it isn't assault if it isn't violent rape. Too drunk to consent, froze up, groped but no penetration - lots of people wrongly think these are not assault.

How is the guy going to know that you don’t want it if you don’t say no.

Follow the rules of kindergarten and keep your hands to yourself.

Better start teaching your daughters to make the first move or be prepared for no grandkids!

My child reproducing is her business. I'm not asking for grandkids from her. And it's weird that you would leave such a comment on a thread about sexual assault

It was the royal “you” ma’am.

What’s really weird is how some of you think teens and young adults are actually going to get signed consent forms at some point before every step of courtship, for lack of a better term. This is a completely unreasonable and unrealistic expectation.

A more normal response is to expect some amount of kissing or touching to occur, so teach your daughter (or son) to say no when the kissing or touching is not okay anymore (and of course the other person should now stop), but also that the last instance of touching which prompted said “no” is not actually sexual assault. For God’s sake, people.

Your officer, it was just the tip! I pulled it out right away!

Please. PP is right. No one “gets explicit consent” at every step of the way.