Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 11:41     Subject: “Obama Did Not Want Her"
Wait, I thought there was "joy" throughout Obamaland?
Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 11:38     Subject: “Obama Did Not Want Her"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:She is just a nothing politician lacking in substance.

This article from her campaign is so indicting. They talk about her like she is literally an empty suit. A puppet to be manipulated. No core convictions. No imagination. No impetus. No wonder she lost badly.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kamala-harris-campaign-polls_n_67462013e4b0fffc5a469baf#comments


Most rational people could see all of this just by observing Harris over the last 4 years, and watching her stumble through her feckless campaign. Only the hard-core Democrat loyalists deluded themselves into thinking she was/is anything else.


She crushed and humiliated Trump in the debate. She ran a great campaign but her campaign themes and messages were ignored while the anti trans and anti immigrant disinformation about her was amplified everywhere online and in the media. Trump was by far the most idiotic major party nominee in history but no one cared. Harris lost because this is an ignorant country full of people who are so invested in myths and stereotypes and imaginary grievances that they are incapable of rational thought.
Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 11:32     Subject: Re:“Obama Did Not Want Her"
It bothers me that she said "nothing comes to mind" when asked if she would do things differently than Biden. "Nothing comes to mind" makes a person sound like there is nothing in their mind--in a job interview you would never want to say it in answer to a question. If you didn't have an answer you would deflect.

It COULD have been an opportunity to focus on accomplishments of the Biden administration--maybe infrastructure funding that has gone to a red state that has started a highway project. Maybe the US -China trade deficit having gone to the lowest since 2010. Maybe to the work with Mexico to reduce arrivals at the border. And she could have articulated a focus on how she wanted to approach Ukraine or Gaza in a way that would not undermine her current boss but still carve out something unique to her. Certainly she would have known the question would be asked.

Obama did worry after the 2016 election that it showed backlash, and I suspect if he didn't want her as a candidate it was because that backlash hadn't gone away. It's kinda too bad she didn't stay in the Senate, I think she could have become a prominent Senator.
Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 11:22     Subject: “Obama Did Not Want Her"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:For the love of G-d can the washed up grifter Obamas just go away? Who anointed them king and queen of the Democratic Party?

Their favorability ratings — especially Michelle’s. People genuinely like her.


I understand that, but she’s not a politician, has never been elected to any position, and has turned down the presidency several times.

Also: how does being married to a former president equal being qualified to be president?

First Hillary, now Michelle; two former First Ladies who are qualified to be president based on their marriages.


Right, because they never did anything on their own. And if you are also married to a politician you pick up the political skills as well.
Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 11:17     Subject: “Obama Did Not Want Her"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Harris was one of Obama's earliest supporters and she literally went door to door for him in Iowa in 2007/2008.

I don't believe the OP for a second.


My take on this is that Obama doesn't believe she's not suitable for the role it's that she's not electable by the US population.
Just like Hillary was more than qualified for the position as is Harris. If this country was not ready to elect a white female for president they sure as f*** weren't going to elect a black female for president.


Ok, but WHY is Obama even in the position of having that much influence at all? This is the issue. He’s not a king. Or the party boss. Or shadowy godfather figure. The guy needs to find a hobby and GO AWAY.
Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 11:12     Subject: “Obama Did Not Want Her"
Anonymous wrote:I honestly do not understand how any Democrat could hate Obama. He’s the most successful Democratic president since FDR.

If this Obama hates is a prevalent view among Democrats then the party is going to be in the wilderness for a long time. This how I know that


FDR was an AWFUL president! AYFKM? You’re comparing Obama to a guy who incarcerated hundreds of thousands of US citizens of Japanese ancestry, causing them to lose all their wealth and property and become destitute after the war? A guy who knew about the Tuskegee experiments infecting black men with syphilis and then not treating them? The guy whose TVA program stole the farms and lands from thousands of Appalachian farm families with no compensation in order to build hydroelectric dams for his business cronies? The guy who refused the SS St Louis permission to dock in the US with its cargo of Jewish refugees fleeing the holocaust- many of who were eventually returned to Europe where they were then executed?

I believe in Hell. And I believe FDR is there, right now, being tortured for all eternity. Deservedly so.

Obama sucks, yes. He’s an arrogant conceited empty suit. But he no where near the malevolent evil that was FDR.
Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 11:12     Subject: “Obama Did Not Want Her"
Anonymous wrote:Just stop. Kamala ran an unbelievable campaign. It needed to be her so that she could use Biden’s funds and it made the most sense since she was already on the ticket and people were already voting for her to be VP of the oldest potus ever, meaning they knew it was likely she would become potus during that term.

The fact that she only had 100 days and the odds were already against her since so many people were already opposed to her because of how she got the nomination. Especially as a woman of color, it is impressive that this race was so close. Imagine if she had been able to go through the primary process and run a full campaign. She would have wiped the floor with Trump.

I have a deep admiration and appreciation for Biden, and he has been a great president. However, I really wish he had stuck to his word about being a one term president. He put the democratic party in a really impossible spot. After seeing him in the debate, it was clear that letting him run was irresponsible and dangerous. Unlike the Rs, at least the Ds had the cahoonas to get him out when they realized he was unfit to serve another term.

I believe that Obama and Pelosi probably didn’t approve of the process of how she ended up on the ticket, but I don’t have any reason to believe that it was personal against her.

Seriously?
Where do you get your drugs?!
Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 11:09     Subject: “Obama Did Not Want Her"
Anonymous wrote:She is just a nothing politician lacking in substance.

This article from her campaign is so indicting. They talk about her like she is literally an empty suit. A puppet to be manipulated. No core convictions. No imagination. No impetus. No wonder she lost badly.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kamala-harris-campaign-polls_n_67462013e4b0fffc5a469baf#comments


Most rational people could see all of this just by observing Harris over the last 4 years, and watching her stumble through her feckless campaign. Only the hard-core Democrat loyalists deluded themselves into thinking she was/is anything else.
Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 11:04     Subject: “Obama Did Not Want Her"
She is just a nothing politician lacking in substance.

This article from her campaign is so indicting. They talk about her like she is literally an empty suit. A puppet to be manipulated. No core convictions. No imagination. No impetus. No wonder she lost badly.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kamala-harris-campaign-polls_n_67462013e4b0fffc5a469baf#comments
Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 11:03     Subject: “Obama Did Not Want Her"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just stop. Kamala ran an unbelievable campaign. It needed to be her so that she could use Biden’s funds and it made the most sense since she was already on the ticket and people were already voting for her to be VP of the oldest potus ever, meaning they knew it was likely she would become potus during that term.

The fact that she only had 100 days and the odds were already against her since so many people were already opposed to her because of how she got the nomination. Especially as a woman of color, it is impressive that this race was so close. Imagine if she had been able to go through the primary process and run a full campaign. She would have wiped the floor with Trump.

I have a deep admiration and appreciation for Biden, and he has been a great president. However, I really wish he had stuck to his word about being a one term president. He put the democratic party in a really impossible spot. After seeing him in the debate, it was clear that letting him run was irresponsible and dangerous. Unlike the Rs, at least the Ds had the cahoonas to get him out when they realized he was unfit to serve another term.

I believe that Obama and Pelosi probably didn’t approve of the process of how she ended up on the ticket, but I don’t have any reason to believe that it was personal against her.


All I can say is, if you really believe what you have written here, you are so far into the kool-ade that there is little hope you will ever see reality. And unfortunately, I'm afraid that you are very typical of most Democrats. It's a real shame, because we need a loyal opposition party - but one that has a handle on reality and can recognize their own serious flaws and work to improve.

She ran an "unbelievable" campaign all right - an unbelievable disaster. One that started with a $1 billion budget and ended up $20 million in the hole, in just 107 days. Drunken sailors couldn't waste money that fast.

This race was not "so close." She lost all 7 battleground states. What part of that do you not recognize? And get through the primary process and run a full campaign? She tried that in 2019/ 2020 and dropped out before the first primary vote was cast, because she was so unpopular.

That’s why I don’t donate. Enriches the “consultants.” How else does over $1 billion get spent on a short campaign with many volunteers.
Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 10:57     Subject: “Obama Did Not Want Her"
Anonymous wrote:Just stop. Kamala ran an unbelievable campaign. It needed to be her so that she could use Biden’s funds and it made the most sense since she was already on the ticket and people were already voting for her to be VP of the oldest potus ever, meaning they knew it was likely she would become potus during that term.

The fact that she only had 100 days and the odds were already against her since so many people were already opposed to her because of how she got the nomination. Especially as a woman of color, it is impressive that this race was so close. Imagine if she had been able to go through the primary process and run a full campaign. She would have wiped the floor with Trump.

I have a deep admiration and appreciation for Biden, and he has been a great president. However, I really wish he had stuck to his word about being a one term president. He put the democratic party in a really impossible spot. After seeing him in the debate, it was clear that letting him run was irresponsible and dangerous. Unlike the Rs, at least the Ds had the cahoonas to get him out when they realized he was unfit to serve another term.

I believe that Obama and Pelosi probably didn’t approve of the process of how she ended up on the ticket, but I don’t have any reason to believe that it was personal against her.


All I can say is, if you really believe what you have written here, you are so far into the kool-ade that there is little hope you will ever see reality. And unfortunately, I'm afraid that you are very typical of most Democrats. It's a real shame, because we need a loyal opposition party - but one that has a handle on reality and can recognize their own serious flaws and work to improve.

She ran an "unbelievable" campaign all right - an unbelievable disaster. One that started with a $1 billion budget and ended up $20 million in the hole, in just 107 days. Drunken sailors couldn't waste money that fast.

This race was not "so close." She lost all 7 battleground states. What part of that do you not recognize? And get through the primary process and run a full campaign? She tried that in 2019/ 2020 and dropped out before the first primary vote was cast, because she was so unpopular.
Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 10:52     Subject: “Obama Did Not Want Her"
Just stop. Kamala ran an unbelievable campaign. It needed to be her so that she could use Biden’s funds and it made the most sense since she was already on the ticket and people were already voting for her to be VP of the oldest potus ever, meaning they knew it was likely she would become potus during that term.

The fact that she only had 100 days and the odds were already against her since so many people were already opposed to her because of how she got the nomination. Especially as a woman of color, it is impressive that this race was so close. Imagine if she had been able to go through the primary process and run a full campaign. She would have wiped the floor with Trump.

I have a deep admiration and appreciation for Biden, and he has been a great president. However, I really wish he had stuck to his word about being a one term president. He put the democratic party in a really impossible spot. After seeing him in the debate, it was clear that letting him run was irresponsible and dangerous. Unlike the Rs, at least the Ds had the cahoonas to get him out when they realized he was unfit to serve another term.

I believe that Obama and Pelosi probably didn’t approve of the process of how she ended up on the ticket, but I don’t have any reason to believe that it was personal against her.
Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 10:28     Subject: “Obama Did Not Want Her"
Reminder: Obama endorsed Hillary over Biden after Biden being his veep for four years.
Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 10:26     Subject: “Obama Did Not Want Her"
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:This was clear from the beginning as he dragged his feet to endorse her. He was right too.

The fact of the matter is the voters didn't want her at the top of the ticket in 2020 and she did nothing to change her image in the last four years. I believe Biden threw his weight behind her spitefully in retaliation for being pushed out because he knew she couldnt win.


It was hysterical how Biden kept trying to undermine her. He was mad, and I don't blame him. After she lost he looked happy as can be. He still has the distinction of being the only one to beat Trump. He got the last laugh on Pelosi, Obama, and Clooney.


I did giggle when Biden wore the MAGA hat. It was pretty clear he was not a Harris fan. I so wish there had been a primary. There were plenty of good candidates among those who likely have presidential aspirations.


Do you blame him? He had a palace coup pulled on him. He’s got every right to be bitter. He should’ve had the chance to run, like any incumbent president should’ve had, and win or lose on his own.

I don’t like Biden, but I’m furious for how he was disrespected by his party.


Np oh please. Spare us. You could care less about how Biden was treated.

This whole thread is like salt in an open wound. Why are you people happy with your victory? Why do you have to grind us down?


You project your own hate onto me.

No, I don’t like Joe Biden, but I can also not like what was done to him by your party. That race should’ve been his to run, win or lose. Getting forced out because the Dems thought he was too old or senile to run - but NOT too old or senile to *remain in office*. Shameful. Your party is nest of scoundrels.

As for Trump? Meh. He wasn’t my first choice in 2016 or in 2024. But he was the right choice, and I was wrong both times. I’m big enough to admit that, too. He IS the best candidate. I’m ashamed I didn’t see it sooner.

Bit think about this: Trump broke Hillary. Trump broke Biden. Then Trump broke Kamala. He’s like a rock protruding up from the sea floor that sinks the ships of democrat dreams, over and over again.


He’s an unstoppable force in American politics.

MAGA.


I don't believe for one second that you care at all about any of the Democratic leaders. And that is totally fine! You won. You should be focused on winning rather than pretending to care about what the Democrats should or shouldn't have done. It is over. It does not matter. And honestly,you are projecting YOUR hatred onto me. I hate what America will come under Trump. But, there is nothing to do but sit back and hope we all don't suffer for your foolish choice.


America First is the wisest choice. There is no doubt that God spared Trumps life. Everybody saw a miracle happen. After that, the election was over.



I really do think this, also.


I do too. And it's not that Trump is or is going to have a perfect presidency - far from it - but there is a reason he was spared and the country was given another chance.
Anonymous
Post 11/27/2024 10:23     Subject: “Obama Did Not Want Her"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I honestly do not understand how any Democrat could hate Obama. He’s the most successful Democratic president since FDR.

If this Obama hates is a prevalent view among Democrats then the party is going to be in the wilderness for a long time. This how I know that


No he isn't. If he weren't black, he would be a blip in history. Two or three good speeches ever, some marginal shift in health policy and killing bin Laden...a pretty thin resume.


But, the good news is that Michelle has released a self help workbook to help all of us process the damaged she and her husband did to this country with their hate, the divisiveness is obvious. Sixteen years of hate, I am so beyond happy to see them fade into oblivion in their ocean front estates with their clueless celebrity friends. Not a fan of Trump, but the option for a better alternative was not there, not in that blithering drunk Kamala, not a chance I wanted her to be my first woman President. While I'm talking about Kamal, Doug needs to get the camera away from her face and hands, I understand she needs to drink the pain away, have at it. However, she does not have to expose an already exhausted country to her alcoholic talk therapy.