Anonymous
11/15/2024 12:53
Subject: Traveling internationally is going to be a challenge as an American
Anonymous wrote:There’s no danger in traveling. You will probably get some demeaning looks, perhaps pity, but no one is going to attack or abuse you. They understand what happened here because it happens to them too. Many countries are struggling with disinformation and foreign interference including Moldova and others. Putin is winning, unfortunately.
You're completely wrong about that. For starters, look up how many Americans have been taken hostage in Lebanon going back 40 years. Then refresh your memory about Americans falsely arrested in Russia. Or consider how Americans are constantly a target in parts of Africa. As for general harassment in Europe, that's not typically a problem. Instead, it's the endless questions about American politics that pop up in seemingly innocuous places--shops, restaurants, hotel lobbies, parties thrown by friends of friends and friends of family. I'm married to an Italian, and frankly it exhausts me to have to explain US politics whenever we are in Europe.
Anonymous
11/15/2024 12:52
Subject: Traveling internationally is going to be a challenge as an American
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I travel internationally, weekly, to different countries all over the world. I had to buy a Kamala 2024 shirt off of amazon to wear under a blazer when I'm out and about. PRIOR to this election going al the way back to 2015, I got asked by people all over the world, in complete disbelief and incomprehension, by strangers mind you, "how on Earth did DT get elected/how is he the candidate again/what happened to America." I have my first trip since the election, tmro and I don't feel safe as an American knowing that we put so may people around the world in danger. I do think this is so so so similar to the rise of Hitler that it won't end well or happily. I do have dual citizenship with Ireland. My only regret is doing this after I had kids. My kids who the youngest is a junior in college--are in their early 20s and if they all had EU passports I would easily move. I still may in a few years.
It'll be even more embarrassing now.
Meh. My in-laws live in the EU where they are citizens.
If they bring up trump, I just say “didn’t AfD just win big in Germany ? And how about Brexit??” - like another poster here suggested.
Then they shut right up.
Exactly. The far right parties in Europe make Trump look like a moderate. These are actual Nazis. And almost everywhere in Europe these parties and their allies are on the rise.
France, Italy, Germany, Netherlands, Sweden. Almost everywhere except the Iberian peninsula.
Anonymous
11/15/2024 12:48
Subject: Traveling internationally is going to be a challenge as an American
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I love how OP is so concerned for their safety then does literally the only thing that would identify them as an American in public
I'm currently in Australia and no issues. 95% of people have no idea where I'm from because I don't walk around in a costume that identifies me as American. The other 5% I talk with are far more interested in me as a person and not some personification of America. The only person who mentioned Trump to me was another American.
i mean yes, seriously.
i’m in southeastern europe right now for work and in talking to a local, she said while europe is concerned about the future of NATO, most people here wanted Trump to win.
I have family in southeastern Europe, visit every year, speak the language, and follow the local news, and except for the occasional person that shares Trump’s hatred of migrants, most people are shocked by the Trump win. Quite a few texted me after the election to say WTF? I’d be curious to know which country “wanted Trump to win.”
lol. typical. you haven’t experienced it so my discussion with another southeastern european could not possibly be true!
cyprus, that’s where.
Well I was talking about nearby Greece and my sample group is more than one person.
Greece is notoriously one of the most brutal and antagonistic countries towards refugees in Europe. Tell your family to fix the attitudes and policies about migrants at home before talking about what we do in the US.
Greek here. I agree the country--or at least the government--has a terrible track record with refugees. What I said in an earlier post is that when I hear/read positive things about Trump in Greece, it's usually about his attitude towards migrants. Meaning the people that like him tend to also not like migrants and they like that he talks tough about migrants. But the negative comments have to do with Jan. 6, the lack of normalcy surrounding Trump and his whole circus, and the fear that he will be a destabilizing force in the world. This from an article in a Greek newspaper today: "The Trump effect continues to dominate the global agenda, including in our region, as analysts and politicians try to decipher how the unpredictable President-elect will handle various portfolios and crises during his second term."
Greece is concerned about international stability now because their economy is doing well and paradoxically the German economy is suffering. They like this status quo and don’t want it to change.
Ten years ago, it was a much different story. When Greece was in its debt crisis the whole country went into “burn it all down” mode, which led to election of Tsipras as PM and ascension of Varoufakis as Finance Minister.
It just goes to show, at any point in time, everyone, everywhere is just concerned about their own advantage.
Anonymous
11/15/2024 12:42
Subject: Traveling internationally is going to be a challenge as an American
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I travel internationally, weekly, to different countries all over the world. I had to buy a Kamala 2024 shirt off of amazon to wear under a blazer when I'm out and about. PRIOR to this election going al the way back to 2015, I got asked by people all over the world, in complete disbelief and incomprehension, by strangers mind you, "how on Earth did DT get elected/how is he the candidate again/what happened to America." I have my first trip since the election, tmro and I don't feel safe as an American knowing that we put so may people around the world in danger. I do think this is so so so similar to the rise of Hitler that it won't end well or happily. I do have dual citizenship with Ireland. My only regret is doing this after I had kids. My kids who the youngest is a junior in college--are in their early 20s and if they all had EU passports I would easily move. I still may in a few years.
It'll be even more embarrassing now.
Meh. My in-laws live in the EU where they are citizens.
If they bring up trump, I just say “didn’t AfD just win big in Germany ? And how about Brexit??” - like another poster here suggested.
Then they shut right up.
Anonymous
11/15/2024 12:40
Subject: Traveling internationally is going to be a challenge as an American
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The majority of the globe does not like Trump. Do with that what you will.
Why is this important to you?
It's a thread on DCUM. I really wouldn't put that in the important category. It just contains a few travel tips. Do you think this is an important thread?
Anonymous
11/15/2024 12:39
Subject: Traveling internationally is going to be a challenge as an American
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The majority of the globe does not like Trump. Do with that what you will.
Why is this important to you?
DP. Because when most of the rest of the world sees that there is something seriously wrong with Trump, it affirms what non-MAGA have been seeing and saying for years. You and MAGA may live in an alternative reality, but the rest of the world does not live in your reality.
Anonymous
11/15/2024 12:35
Subject: Traveling internationally is going to be a challenge as an American
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I love how OP is so concerned for their safety then does literally the only thing that would identify them as an American in public
I'm currently in Australia and no issues. 95% of people have no idea where I'm from because I don't walk around in a costume that identifies me as American. The other 5% I talk with are far more interested in me as a person and not some personification of America. The only person who mentioned Trump to me was another American.
i mean yes, seriously.
i’m in southeastern europe right now for work and in talking to a local, she said while europe is concerned about the future of NATO, most people here wanted Trump to win.
I have family in southeastern Europe, visit every year, speak the language, and follow the local news, and except for the occasional person that shares Trump’s hatred of migrants, most people are shocked by the Trump win. Quite a few texted me after the election to say WTF? I’d be curious to know which country “wanted Trump to win.”
lol. typical. you haven’t experienced it so my discussion with another southeastern european could not possibly be true!
cyprus, that’s where.
Well I was talking about nearby Greece and my sample group is more than one person.
Greece is notoriously one of the most brutal and antagonistic countries towards refugees in Europe. Tell your family to fix the attitudes and policies about migrants at home before talking about what we do in the US.
Greek here. I agree the country--or at least the government--has a terrible track record with refugees. What I said in an earlier post is that when I hear/read positive things about Trump in Greece, it's usually about his attitude towards migrants. Meaning the people that like him tend to also not like migrants and they like that he talks tough about migrants. But the negative comments have to do with Jan. 6, the lack of normalcy surrounding Trump and his whole circus, and the fear that he will be a destabilizing force in the world. This from an article in a Greek newspaper today: "The Trump effect continues to dominate the global agenda, including in our region, as analysts and politicians try to decipher how the unpredictable President-elect will handle various portfolios and crises during his second term."
Anonymous
11/15/2024 12:33
Subject: Traveling internationally is going to be a challenge as an American
Anonymous wrote:The majority of the globe does not like Trump. Do with that what you will.
Why is this important to you?
Anonymous
11/15/2024 12:27
Subject: Traveling internationally is going to be a challenge as an American
The majority of the globe does not like Trump. Do with that what you will.
Anonymous
11/15/2024 12:22
Subject: Traveling internationally is going to be a challenge as an American
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Cry me a river liberal scum. You lost. Everything. Losers
I feel this way as well. No desire to be polite after the last four years.
Oh no we lost the “politeness” of a POS like you.
However will we picks up the pieces.
Go fck yourself.
Anonymous
11/15/2024 12:09
Subject: Traveling internationally is going to be a challenge as an American
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I love how OP is so concerned for their safety then does literally the only thing that would identify them as an American in public
I'm currently in Australia and no issues. 95% of people have no idea where I'm from because I don't walk around in a costume that identifies me as American. The other 5% I talk with are far more interested in me as a person and not some personification of America. The only person who mentioned Trump to me was another American.
i mean yes, seriously.
i’m in southeastern europe right now for work and in talking to a local, she said while europe is concerned about the future of NATO, most people here wanted Trump to win.
I have family in southeastern Europe, visit every year, speak the language, and follow the local news, and except for the occasional person that shares Trump’s hatred of migrants, most people are shocked by the Trump win. Quite a few texted me after the election to say WTF? I’d be curious to know which country “wanted Trump to win.”
lol. typical. you haven’t experienced it so my discussion with another southeastern european could not possibly be true!
cyprus, that’s where.
Well I was talking about nearby Greece and my sample group is more than one person.
Greece is notoriously one of the most brutal and antagonistic countries towards refugees in Europe. Tell your family to fix the attitudes and policies about migrants at home before talking about what we do in the US.
Anonymous
11/15/2024 12:06
Subject: Traveling internationally is going to be a challenge as an American
Anonymous wrote:What Democrats who travel abroad conveniently omit from this discussion is that the foreign Trump haters know almost nothing about specific policies pushed by Republicans & Democrats. They just see Trump as a big rich guy who doesn’t apologize for being an American.
But ask any foreigner if he or she thinks it’s great to have zero time constraints on abortion. Or if it’s peachy to have an open border. Or if it’s crazy to expect voters to be citizens with an ID. Or if penises belong in women’s sports or locker rooms. Or if giving drug addicts free drugs is a great way to handle addiction.
This simply isn't true from top to bottom.
Anonymous
11/15/2024 12:04
Subject: Traveling internationally is going to be a challenge as an American
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Cry me a river liberal scum. You lost. Everything. Losers
I feel this way as well. No desire to be polite after the last four years.
What was so bad for you the last 4 years?
Anonymous
11/15/2024 12:04
Subject: Traveling internationally is going to be a challenge as an American
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This kind of stuff is so funny to me. The PP trying to pretend that southeastern Europeans are somehow offended about the way Trump talks about migrants when people in southeastern Europe barely get along with their neighbors and in many counties are more than happy to commit genocide against them. I mean, just ask anyone that part of the world what they think about Syrian migrants or Albanians for that matter.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I love how OP is so concerned for their safety then does literally the only thing that would identify them as an American in public
I'm currently in Australia and no issues. 95% of people have no idea where I'm from because I don't walk around in a costume that identifies me as American. The other 5% I talk with are far more interested in me as a person and not some personification of America. The only person who mentioned Trump to me was another American.
i mean yes, seriously.
i’m in southeastern europe right now for work and in talking to a local, she said while europe is concerned about the future of NATO, most people here wanted Trump to win.
I have family in southeastern Europe, visit every year, speak the language, and follow the local news, and except for the occasional person that shares Trump’s hatred of migrants, most people are shocked by the Trump win. Quite a few texted me after the election to say WTF? I’d be curious to know which country “wanted Trump to win.”
lol. typical. you haven’t experienced it so my discussion with another southeastern european could not possibly be true!
cyprus, that’s where.
This kind of stuff is so funny to me. The PP trying to pretend that southeastern Europeans are somehow offended about the way Trump talks about migrants when people in southeastern Europe barely get along with their neighbors and in many counties are more than happy to commit genocide against them. I mean, just ask anyone that part of the world what they think about Syrian migrants or Albanians for that matter.
Anonymous
11/15/2024 11:58
Subject: Traveling internationally is going to be a challenge as an American
Anonymous wrote:Cry me a river liberal scum. You lost. Everything. Losers
I feel this way as well. No desire to be polite after the last four years.