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Anonymous wrote:How does RTO for feds appreciably increase DC revenue? WMATA is doing ok. Most federal offices are owned by feds so I don’t think they pay DC taxes. Is it just downtown retail she’s concerned with?

"Just downtown retail"

You get that DC is a major city, right? People spending money in the city on food, entertainment, transportation, and consumer goods is a huge part of the revenue base. It's not like we make our money off of local factories. Yes property taxes play a big role too and federal properties don't pay that. But the trade off is bring thousands of people into the city every single day who will spend money.

RTO doesn't just mean more sandwich shops for lunch and retail in the downtown core dues better. It means boosting restaurants and bars across the city even in the evening as workers who come into the city are more likely to go out in the city after work. This also helps event planners, caterers, and entertainment venues. Yes it helps retail. But the bigger point is that it provides a population of consumers in the city 5 days a week and gives the city lots of opportunities to capture their interest and money. Someone working 9-5 in the city is more likely to head to a Nats game after work, plus grab dinner and drinks in Navy Yard and maybe stop in the team store and buy a cap. With WFH that worker might decide the commute into the city isn't worth it, watch the game in TV, order take out from a nearby restaurant in VA, and order that cap online-- DC gets nothing.

Federal RTO would be a huge boon to DC's economy and accelerate the existing shift towards RTO for law, consulting, and lobbying firms as well as other white collar jobs that bring plenty of consumer dollars with them.

meh. show me some actual dollar amounts here about how federal RTO somehow turns around DC’s economy. I know I’m not paying $25/day for lunch in L’Enfant Plaza if they force me back 5 days/week.

DC’s revenue issues are not due to telework. They are due to DC policies that make it unattractive & unaffordable for businesses and families to move to or stay in DC. Burdensome zoning and building codes that raise housing costs. The continuous erosion of MS and HS programs in DCPS appropriate for college-bound kids and the DC policy commitment to apparently tank the existing well-functioning schools in the name of (fake) equity. Business licenses that are impossible to obtain. All that stuff. Fed schmoes schlepping 5 days/week to their dark and brutalist GSA office isn’t going to achieve any of that.

Oh also forgot to add - high crime that deters people from coming to DC for night time entertainment. I live in DC and often decide to stay in because I don’t want to be walking hom from the metro too late. So I stay in and my entertainment $$ go to Netflix.

Not everyone shares your generalized anxiety disorder. Plenty of people are out and about in DC. It isn't 2020 anymore.

DC is literally more dangerous than any other capital city in Europe, North America, and Asia. Not wanting to go outside at night is common sense.

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Anonymous wrote:How does RTO for feds appreciably increase DC revenue? WMATA is doing ok. Most federal offices are owned by feds so I don’t think they pay DC taxes. Is it just downtown retail she’s concerned with?

"Just downtown retail"

You get that DC is a major city, right? People spending money in the city on food, entertainment, transportation, and consumer goods is a huge part of the revenue base. It's not like we make our money off of local factories. Yes property taxes play a big role too and federal properties don't pay that. But the trade off is bring thousands of people into the city every single day who will spend money.

RTO doesn't just mean more sandwich shops for lunch and retail in the downtown core dues better. It means boosting restaurants and bars across the city even in the evening as workers who come into the city are more likely to go out in the city after work. This also helps event planners, caterers, and entertainment venues. Yes it helps retail. But the bigger point is that it provides a population of consumers in the city 5 days a week and gives the city lots of opportunities to capture their interest and money. Someone working 9-5 in the city is more likely to head to a Nats game after work, plus grab dinner and drinks in Navy Yard and maybe stop in the team store and buy a cap. With WFH that worker might decide the commute into the city isn't worth it, watch the game in TV, order take out from a nearby restaurant in VA, and order that cap online-- DC gets nothing.

Federal RTO would be a huge boon to DC's economy and accelerate the existing shift towards RTO for law, consulting, and lobbying firms as well as other white collar jobs that bring plenty of consumer dollars with them.

meh. show me some actual dollar amounts here about how federal RTO somehow turns around DC’s economy. I know I’m not paying $25/day for lunch in L’Enfant Plaza if they force me back 5 days/week.

DC’s revenue issues are not due to telework. They are due to DC policies that make it unattractive & unaffordable for businesses and families to move to or stay in DC. Burdensome zoning and building codes that raise housing costs. The continuous erosion of MS and HS programs in DCPS appropriate for college-bound kids and the DC policy commitment to apparently tank the existing well-functioning schools in the name of (fake) equity. Business licenses that are impossible to obtain. All that stuff. Fed schmoes schlepping 5 days/week to their dark and brutalist GSA office isn’t going to achieve any of that.

Oh also forgot to add - high crime that deters people from coming to DC for night time entertainment. I live in DC and often decide to stay in because I don’t want to be walking hom from the metro too late. So I stay in and my entertainment $$ go to Netflix.

Not everyone shares your generalized anxiety disorder. Plenty of people are out and about in DC. It isn't 2020 anymore.

DC is literally more dangerous than any other capital city in Europe, North America, and Asia. Not wanting to go outside at night is common sense.

Anonymous wrote:its no secret trump has stated his hatred of DC which votes 93% for democrats.

I heard this from a friend of a friend with some ties to Trump's inner circles, the plan in the next few years will be to hit/move significant number of agencies out of DC, for the ones which will have to be in the area for logistical reasons/defense/dod will be moved across the river into Virginia in a bid to have loyalists turn Virginia into permanent red state rather than having their people waste their electoral position in MD/DC. Virginia went blue by about 200k. Eventually firing about 100k democrats and having about 100k loyalists in VA will shift it red. DC and MOCO will be rendered into a slum outside of a few places next to the mall/capital hill.

Any how, I am praying this is not true, but it sounds like something they are capable of.

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Anonymous wrote:How does RTO for feds appreciably increase DC revenue? WMATA is doing ok. Most federal offices are owned by feds so I don’t think they pay DC taxes. Is it just downtown retail she’s concerned with?

"Just downtown retail"

You get that DC is a major city, right? People spending money in the city on food, entertainment, transportation, and consumer goods is a huge part of the revenue base. It's not like we make our money off of local factories. Yes property taxes play a big role too and federal properties don't pay that. But the trade off is bring thousands of people into the city every single day who will spend money.

RTO doesn't just mean more sandwich shops for lunch and retail in the downtown core dues better. It means boosting restaurants and bars across the city even in the evening as workers who come into the city are more likely to go out in the city after work. This also helps event planners, caterers, and entertainment venues. Yes it helps retail. But the bigger point is that it provides a population of consumers in the city 5 days a week and gives the city lots of opportunities to capture their interest and money. Someone working 9-5 in the city is more likely to head to a Nats game after work, plus grab dinner and drinks in Navy Yard and maybe stop in the team store and buy a cap. With WFH that worker might decide the commute into the city isn't worth it, watch the game in TV, order take out from a nearby restaurant in VA, and order that cap online-- DC gets nothing.

Federal RTO would be a huge boon to DC's economy and accelerate the existing shift towards RTO for law, consulting, and lobbying firms as well as other white collar jobs that bring plenty of consumer dollars with them.

meh. show me some actual dollar amounts here about how federal RTO somehow turns around DC’s economy. I know I’m not paying $25/day for lunch in L’Enfant Plaza if they force me back 5 days/week.

DC’s revenue issues are not due to telework. They are due to DC policies that make it unattractive & unaffordable for businesses and families to move to or stay in DC. Burdensome zoning and building codes that raise housing costs. The continuous erosion of MS and HS programs in DCPS appropriate for college-bound kids and the DC policy commitment to apparently tank the existing well-functioning schools in the name of (fake) equity. Business licenses that are impossible to obtain. All that stuff. Fed schmoes schlepping 5 days/week to their dark and brutalist GSA office isn’t going to achieve any of that.

Oh also forgot to add - high crime that deters people from coming to DC for night time entertainment. I live in DC and often decide to stay in because I don’t want to be walking hom from the metro too late. So I stay in and my entertainment $$ go to Netflix.

Not everyone shares your generalized anxiety disorder. Plenty of people are out and about in DC. It isn't 2020 anymore.

DC is literally more dangerous than any other capital city in Europe, North America, and Asia. Not wanting to go outside at night is common sense.

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Anonymous wrote:How does RTO for feds appreciably increase DC revenue? WMATA is doing ok. Most federal offices are owned by feds so I don’t think they pay DC taxes. Is it just downtown retail she’s concerned with?

"Just downtown retail"

You get that DC is a major city, right? People spending money in the city on food, entertainment, transportation, and consumer goods is a huge part of the revenue base. It's not like we make our money off of local factories. Yes property taxes play a big role too and federal properties don't pay that. But the trade off is bring thousands of people into the city every single day who will spend money.

RTO doesn't just mean more sandwich shops for lunch and retail in the downtown core dues better. It means boosting restaurants and bars across the city even in the evening as workers who come into the city are more likely to go out in the city after work. This also helps event planners, caterers, and entertainment venues. Yes it helps retail. But the bigger point is that it provides a population of consumers in the city 5 days a week and gives the city lots of opportunities to capture their interest and money. Someone working 9-5 in the city is more likely to head to a Nats game after work, plus grab dinner and drinks in Navy Yard and maybe stop in the team store and buy a cap. With WFH that worker might decide the commute into the city isn't worth it, watch the game in TV, order take out from a nearby restaurant in VA, and order that cap online-- DC gets nothing.

Federal RTO would be a huge boon to DC's economy and accelerate the existing shift towards RTO for law, consulting, and lobbying firms as well as other white collar jobs that bring plenty of consumer dollars with them.

meh. show me some actual dollar amounts here about how federal RTO somehow turns around DC’s economy. I know I’m not paying $25/day for lunch in L’Enfant Plaza if they force me back 5 days/week.

DC’s revenue issues are not due to telework. They are due to DC policies that make it unattractive & unaffordable for businesses and families to move to or stay in DC. Burdensome zoning and building codes that raise housing costs. The continuous erosion of MS and HS programs in DCPS appropriate for college-bound kids and the DC policy commitment to apparently tank the existing well-functioning schools in the name of (fake) equity. Business licenses that are impossible to obtain. All that stuff. Fed schmoes schlepping 5 days/week to their dark and brutalist GSA office isn’t going to achieve any of that.

Oh also forgot to add - high crime that deters people from coming to DC for night time entertainment. I live in DC and often decide to stay in because I don’t want to be walking hom from the metro too late. So I stay in and my entertainment $$ go to Netflix.

Not everyone shares your generalized anxiety disorder. Plenty of people are out and about in DC. It isn't 2020 anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:Times have changed - People aren't shopping retail, it's all online. Post covid, eating out at lunch isn't as much of a thing. I live in Virginia and we have amazing restaurants here, so i almost never go to dc, and it's not because of the crime.

DC reminds me of the Yogi Berra quote…nobody goes there, it’s too popular.

I am shocked how mobbed downtown is on any weekend.

Why do you all lie about everything? Is it a generational thing? I just don't get it.

I go downtown most weekends and it is empty compared to how it was just 10 years ago.

I am GenX and I guess if you want to lie about things you can go right ahead.

Downtown on weekends is packed…just this past weekend I was surprised I couldn’t get a reservation at Le Diplomate on 14th, St Anselms in Union Market, The Dabney near the convention center…finally just went to Jaleo.

I find it odd that people just spew shit about how terrible the place seemingly is …to what end I have no idea.

Your lack of DC geography knowledge just exposed that you don’t know what you’re talking about. The only restaurant that is even reasonably “downtown” is Jaleo being that it’s in Penn Quarter, and it also just so happened to be the only restaurant that wasn’t full. All of those other restaurants are definitely not in downtown.

Give me a f**king break. You now trying to claim Union Market is so different from downtown…or the convention center…or 14th street? Really…that’s the sword you will fall on?

Supposedly the city is lifeless and crime ridden…by the way, I waited for 45 minutes at Jaleo.

How is the convention center not downtown when it’s literally downtown.

“Downtown is booming” says person who doesn’t actually go downtown.

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like massive job growth in Virginia. Awesome!

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Anonymous wrote:Times have changed - People aren't shopping retail, it's all online. Post covid, eating out at lunch isn't as much of a thing. I live in Virginia and we have amazing restaurants here, so i almost never go to dc, and it's not because of the crime.

DC reminds me of the Yogi Berra quote…nobody goes there, it’s too popular.

I am shocked how mobbed downtown is on any weekend.

Why do you all lie about everything? Is it a generational thing? I just don't get it.

I go downtown most weekends and it is empty compared to how it was just 10 years ago.

I am GenX and I guess if you want to lie about things you can go right ahead.

Downtown on weekends is packed…just this past weekend I was surprised I couldn’t get a reservation at Le Diplomate on 14th, St Anselms in Union Market, The Dabney near the convention center…finally just went to Jaleo.

I find it odd that people just spew shit about how terrible the place seemingly is …to what end I have no idea.

Your lack of DC geography knowledge just exposed that you don’t know what you’re talking about. The only restaurant that is even reasonably “downtown” is Jaleo being that it’s in Penn Quarter, and it also just so happened to be the only restaurant that wasn’t full. All of those other restaurants are definitely not in downtown.

Give me a f**king break. You now trying to claim Union Market is so different from downtown…or the convention center…or 14th street? Really…that’s the sword you will fall on?

Supposedly the city is lifeless and crime ridden…by the way, I waited for 45 minutes at Jaleo.

How is the convention center not downtown when it’s literally downtown.

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Anonymous wrote:Times have changed - People aren't shopping retail, it's all online. Post covid, eating out at lunch isn't as much of a thing. I live in Virginia and we have amazing restaurants here, so i almost never go to dc, and it's not because of the crime.

DC reminds me of the Yogi Berra quote…nobody goes there, it’s too popular.

I am shocked how mobbed downtown is on any weekend.

Why do you all lie about everything? Is it a generational thing? I just don't get it.

I go downtown most weekends and it is empty compared to how it was just 10 years ago.

I am GenX and I guess if you want to lie about things you can go right ahead.

Downtown on weekends is packed…just this past weekend I was surprised I couldn’t get a reservation at Le Diplomate on 14th, St Anselms in Union Market, The Dabney near the convention center…finally just went to Jaleo.

I find it odd that people just spew shit about how terrible the place seemingly is …to what end I have no idea.

Your lack of DC geography knowledge just exposed that you don’t know what you’re talking about. The only restaurant that is even reasonably “downtown” is Jaleo being that it’s in Penn Quarter, and it also just so happened to be the only restaurant that wasn’t full. All of those other restaurants are definitely not in downtown.

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Anonymous wrote:Times have changed - People aren't shopping retail, it's all online. Post covid, eating out at lunch isn't as much of a thing. I live in Virginia and we have amazing restaurants here, so i almost never go to dc, and it's not because of the crime.

DC reminds me of the Yogi Berra quote…nobody goes there, it’s too popular.

I am shocked how mobbed downtown is on any weekend.

Why do you all lie about everything? Is it a generational thing? I just don't get it.

I go downtown most weekends and it is empty compared to how it was just 10 years ago.

I am GenX and I guess if you want to lie about things you can go right ahead.

Downtown on weekends is packed…just this past weekend I was surprised I couldn’t get a reservation at Le Diplomate on 14th, St Anselms in Union Market, The Dabney near the convention center…finally just went to Jaleo.

I find it odd that people just spew shit about how terrible the place seemingly is …to what end I have no idea.