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Anonymous wrote:There's definitely a strong negative selection bias going on here. If an Ivy League student has to apply to government jobs, they messed up big time and are likely far, far below the average Ivy League graduate in terms of career readiness

Ivy League schools aren’t all alike. Yale, for example, has long encouraged public service careers and the CIA. So, no, it’s not about having “messed up big time”- it’s about using your education and networking to get you where you want to go.

+1. Princeton too. And it’s not just “government jobs,” we are talking about policy and political jobs that are desired by kids with certain interests. Think policy jobs at State, Treasury, White House offices, or on the Hill, not management analyst at HUD.

Anonymous wrote:There's definitely a strong negative selection bias going on here. If an Ivy League student has to apply to government jobs, they messed up big time and are likely far, far below the average Ivy League graduate in terms of career readiness

Ivy League schools aren’t all alike. Yale, for example, has long encouraged public service careers and the CIA. So, no, it’s not about having “messed up big time”- it’s about using your education and networking to get you where you want to go.

There's definitely a strong negative selection bias going on here. If an Ivy League student has to apply to government jobs, they messed up big time and are likely far, far below the average Ivy League graduate in terms of career readiness

I hire in federal government

Wasn't that PP's point? Most Ivy grads aren't looking for govt work, especially since many F500 companies recruit on campus.

Anonymous wrote:People don’t want to accept this but increasingly there will be less and less differentiation between graduating from Yale or Princeton and graduating from UMiami or Penn State.

Some people may not like this but this is where we are going. So it really doesn’t matter where you go for undergrad.

This is so true. I hire in federal government , many of our best hires come from state schools. In the past 5 years, I have been on over two dozen job panels. The best hires were from JMU, university of Buffalo, Va. tech, UMD, Salisbury, Bucknell

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Anonymous wrote:GWU, American, Catholic Univ, gives you great chances of securing a gov't internship.

Does UMD also confer that same advantage?

Of course.

Th school you attended only matters when looking in the rear view mirror.

If you went to work in PE or for a venture fund or a certain group of exclusive employees, you will likely agree that attending a top school mattered.

If you decide to go into the Coca Cola management program or work for the government or work any number of jobs, you will say it doesn’t matter.

Parent of a young adult here: in our experience, it doesn't matter. My DC went to a good but not top tier SLAC and got a great job after about 6 mo. His friends who went to better schools (inc Georgetown) with a similar major (in social sciences) took much, much longer.

Please. So much of Fed hiring is through referrals or family connections, no matter what anyone claims on this board. Not a meritocracy.

My workplace redacts names, schools etc. to avoid implicit bias. So, school does not matter at all. We don't know the candidate's name or school until they are selected for the interview stage.

Anonymous wrote:I tend to hire Va Tech grads. Got a whole team of them. All are hard workers with no attitude of thinking they are better then anyone else. Had a Harvard grad once on the team. Asked him to copy something for a meeting. He refused, was beneath him. Never hired an ivy kid since.

Interesting, this hasn’t been my experience with ivy grads at all. Over the past 10 years, I’ve hired and worked with graduates of Yale, Penn, Cornell, Princeton. They were all excellent - great attitude, super hard workers and delivered and often overdelivered.

I’ve certainly never had instances where one of them refused to do a task that was beneath them, including copying. In fact, this one time we had a very important meeting with senior people and my EA was unfortunately sick and couldn’t take minutes. The Yale grad offered to do it without me even asking.

Could this just be a Harvard thing?

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Anonymous wrote:You know what matters most? Knowing someone who can help you get your first job.

And I don’t mean someone “important.” I mean, your neighbor Jim who has known you your whole life works at Raytheon (or whatever) and can ask a favor to get you started out.

Jim must be important if he can get you a job at Raytheon on the basis of nepotism

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Anonymous wrote:DC doesn't have many elite employers so we don't get a lot of candidates from top schools. For tier-3 employers and below, your university doesn't matter that much.

I have only worked with a few top-25 grads from Cornell, CMU, Caltech, Umich, and UVA. Every single one of them is excellent. VTech grads are also very solid.

Kids from elite schools aim for jobs on the Hill, in government, and in policy organizations all the time.

Cute, you think any of those are elite? Wow, which one do you work for? You have a high opinion of your profession... none of those are elite.

Go away bum.
The question is specifically about jobs in government, policy etc

So not elite, lemme guess, GS12 or lowely Hill mule for someloser congressional clown?

Tell me you didn’t succeed in DC without telling me you didn’t succeed in DC.

LOL, who needs to succeed in DC? Tell me you're an idiot that didn't succeed in real life without telling me you didn't succeed in real life.

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Anonymous wrote:DC doesn't have many elite employers so we don't get a lot of candidates from top schools. For tier-3 employers and below, your university doesn't matter that much.

I have only worked with a few top-25 grads from Cornell, CMU, Caltech, Umich, and UVA. Every single one of them is excellent. VTech grads are also very solid.

Kids from elite schools aim for jobs on the Hill, in government, and in policy organizations all the time.

Cute, you think any of those are elite? Wow, which one do you work for? You have a high opinion of your profession... none of those are elite.

Go away bum.
The question is specifically about jobs in government, policy etc

So not elite, lemme guess, GS12 or lowely Hill mule for someloser congressional clown?

Tell me you didn’t succeed in DC without telling me you didn’t succeed in DC.

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Anonymous wrote:DC doesn't have many elite employers so we don't get a lot of candidates from top schools. For tier-3 employers and below, your university doesn't matter that much.

I have only worked with a few top-25 grads from Cornell, CMU, Caltech, Umich, and UVA. Every single one of them is excellent. VTech grads are also very solid.

Kids from elite schools aim for jobs on the Hill, in government, and in policy organizations all the time.

Cute, you think any of those are elite? Wow, which one do you work for? You have a high opinion of your profession... none of those are elite.

Go away bum.
The question is specifically about jobs in government, policy etc

So not elite, lemme guess, GS12 or lowely Hill mule for someloser congressional clown?

Your spelling suggests there is nothing elite about you. Go play, the adults are talking right now.

Hmm... definitely a GS-12. Getting the inferiority vibes big time. This is DCUM honey, there are no adults talking. There is a dearth of common sense here, and your prickly soft-skinned demeanor is proof positive. 😀