Anonymous wrote:15 years ago or so, there was a boy in my DC's kindergarten who clearly needed more assistance than the standard classroom was equipped for. However, his parents enrolled him in K and denied that there was any problem at all. In spite of many incidents, the parents refused to agree to meet for an IEP that would have given this child 1:1 support. So the school had to work through a long drawn out process of creating a paper trail to eventually, like a year later, force the issue in a manner that would stick and not get them sued. In the meantime, the kindergarten teacher has a nervous breakdown and quit, so the series of substitutes basically spent the year trying to keep the other kids safe from this kid. I hope he eventually got the help he needed in spite of his parents.

Was this at Sligo Creek?

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Anonymous wrote:My child has been hit in the face by a classmate 4 times since school started. Just from speaking to the other parents this is occurring daily and others are also being hit. Parents are receiving calls home but there doesn’t seem to be any action. What typically happens to a child like this and what is the threshold where they would remove someone hitting others on a daily basis? This is a nine year old child.

Democrats are the ones behind policies where “there doesn’t seem to be any action.”

Democrats want to keep violent kids in your children’s classroom.

Democrats do not care about your child, or any crime-victim.

This is bonkers. I want to raise taxes so there's money to send kids to special schools.

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Anonymous wrote:My child has been hit in the face by a classmate 4 times since school started. Just from speaking to the other parents this is occurring daily and others are also being hit. Parents are receiving calls home but there doesn’t seem to be any action. What typically happens to a child like this and what is the threshold where they would remove someone hitting others on a daily basis? This is a nine year old child.

Democrats are the ones behind policies where “there doesn’t seem to be any action.”

Democrats want to keep violent kids in your children’s classroom.

Democrats do not care about your child, or any crime-victim.

I heard it was Hillary Climpton!

Anonymous wrote:My child has been hit in the face by a classmate 4 times since school started. Just from speaking to the other parents this is occurring daily and others are also being hit. Parents are receiving calls home but there doesn’t seem to be any action. What typically happens to a child like this and what is the threshold where they would remove someone hitting others on a daily basis? This is a nine year old child.

This is relatively normal these days. They sometimes make them attend a restorative circle.

As a former teacher these students go to admin to get candy then sent back to do it again for another treat. Teachers will be berated and poorly supported as well as given bad reviews from admin bc the kids are nuts and the admin are corrupt and spineless.

Anonymous wrote:My child has been hit in the face by a classmate 4 times since school started. Just from speaking to the other parents this is occurring daily and others are also being hit. Parents are receiving calls home but there doesn’t seem to be any action. What typically happens to a child like this and what is the threshold where they would remove someone hitting others on a daily basis? This is a nine year old child.

Democrats are the ones behind policies where “there doesn’t seem to be any action.”

Democrats want to keep violent kids in your children’s classroom.

Democrats do not care about your child, or any crime-victim.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone wonder why the heck we have so many violent elementary aged students nowadays? There existed in the past, but it feels like in every school I hear of multiple kids who are destructive and dangerous. What has changed?

I’m an SN parent and I’ve spent 10+ yrs on the Kids with SN forum. I was reading it yesterday wondering the same thing. The first page is filled with variations on the same topic. So many kids are struggling and it’s coming out as violent behavior in the classroom. I was trying to remember if it was always this bad once school got underway but this year just seems overwhelmingly bad.

I'm a Special Education teacher and have a child with a disability. Schools have been quietly whittling away services and making the job impossible for the past 10 years or so. Fewer services and fewer teachers who can provide the existing services is a recipe for disaster. Each year feels a little worse than the one before because qualified people are not willing to take a job where they're underpaid and not respected.

+1 we’ve cut self-contained programs and are striving to have even students with significant needs in gen Ed 80% of the time. It’s not going well.

Ex-teacher and SN parent here. This tracks with my experience.

Time for a class action lawsuit to get school districts back in alignment with the law. Nobody's needs are being served this way.

Good luck. These issues are largely due to federal laws regarding proportional discipline & least restrictive environment, among others.

DP and true. I do think there’s going to be endless drain to the charters and privates until this reverses - but that will take decades and a return of some form of warehousing. I don’t see a middle path with this, because parents of kids without learning disabilities or physical limitations absolutely cannot and will not deal in full with badly behaved kids with dubious psychological excuses masked as diagnoses. That monster who shot Abby Zwerner at 6 almost choked out a teacher at 5 and sexually touched girls at 4 and 5- he’s the extreme example of the kind of behavior this thread is all about. And his nasty assed mom who lied about the gun had time to go to his school daily - but not to homeschool or seek a more restrictive placement or additional assessment. Her mentality is often extant to a lesser degree in parents who have bad/violent kids. They themselves don’t like or trust their kids so they need the kid to be the public schools problem. So any change will ultimate reverse gains there to what I believe will be a bad degree, but this won’t happen in time to save a good student from an often-evacuated class - and it also won’t make the class nightmare more educable or employable when all is said and done.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone wonder why the heck we have so many violent elementary aged students nowadays? There existed in the past, but it feels like in every school I hear of multiple kids who are destructive and dangerous. What has changed?

I’m an SN parent and I’ve spent 10+ yrs on the Kids with SN forum. I was reading it yesterday wondering the same thing. The first page is filled with variations on the same topic. So many kids are struggling and it’s coming out as violent behavior in the classroom. I was trying to remember if it was always this bad once school got underway but this year just seems overwhelmingly bad.

I'm a Special Education teacher and have a child with a disability. Schools have been quietly whittling away services and making the job impossible for the past 10 years or so. Fewer services and fewer teachers who can provide the existing services is a recipe for disaster. Each year feels a little worse than the one before because qualified people are not willing to take a job where they're underpaid and not respected.

+1 we’ve cut self-contained programs and are striving to have even students with significant needs in gen Ed 80% of the time. It’s not going well.

Ex-teacher and SN parent here. This tracks with my experience.

Time for a class action lawsuit to get school districts back in alignment with the law. Nobody's needs are being served this way.

Good luck. These issues are largely due to federal laws regarding proportional discipline & least restrictive environment, among others.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone wonder why the heck we have so many violent elementary aged students nowadays? There existed in the past, but it feels like in every school I hear of multiple kids who are destructive and dangerous. What has changed?

I’m an SN parent and I’ve spent 10+ yrs on the Kids with SN forum. I was reading it yesterday wondering the same thing. The first page is filled with variations on the same topic. So many kids are struggling and it’s coming out as violent behavior in the classroom. I was trying to remember if it was always this bad once school got underway but this year just seems overwhelmingly bad.

I'm a Special Education teacher and have a child with a disability. Schools have been quietly whittling away services and making the job impossible for the past 10 years or so. Fewer services and fewer teachers who can provide the existing services is a recipe for disaster. Each year feels a little worse than the one before because qualified people are not willing to take a job where they're underpaid and not respected.

+1 we’ve cut self-contained programs and are striving to have even students with significant needs in gen Ed 80% of the time. It’s not going well.

Ex-teacher and SN parent here. This tracks with my experience.

Time for a class action lawsuit to get school districts back in alignment with the law. Nobody's needs are being served this way.

There is more though. Some of it is parenting styles are less authoritative (no more children are seen and not heard) and that parents haven’t really mastered the new style. But there is a mismatch between the factory style of education we have (all kids, same ages moving through same curriculum at school). We are also expecting more academically at younger ages than we did before.

Add that to the fact that plastics and environmental issues affect young bodies more and more kids have been diagnosed with delays, autism and adhd. Even typical kids get who have a device loving parent that give an IPad as an antidote to working through emotions can exhibit extreme behavior.

Another HUGE factor is that Teachers aren’t allowed to give consequences. We can’t pick a kid up (I’m talking preschool/Kindergarten) if they are kicking, biting or punching someone. We aren’t even allowed to tell them no. We are watched 3x a year for 2 hours each time and down graded if we give a kid a stern NO. It is insane.

ITA with the points but in terms of a parenting board discussion, it gives me some comfort that other people are calling parenting failures as a big part of this. It’s absolutely true. We are in a different area, top reviewed public, and the inclusion rolls are stuffed with “behavioral disabilities” children who basically do nothing but destroy the learning environment consistently for 20 kids who can listen and work. These are 5th graders. The parents of the nightmares are very attached in their learned helplessness. Nothing is their fault. Ever. The kids who get hit, attacked, and are stressed by the awful kids see that their needs don’t matter. It’s untenable for everyone but the low-performing low-grade sociopaths, and the parents just kick the can down the road and ask to be pitied. It’s an absolute inversion of values and so we will try private going forward.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone wonder why the heck we have so many violent elementary aged students nowadays? There existed in the past, but it feels like in every school I hear of multiple kids who are destructive and dangerous. What has changed?

I’m an SN parent and I’ve spent 10+ yrs on the Kids with SN forum. I was reading it yesterday wondering the same thing. The first page is filled with variations on the same topic. So many kids are struggling and it’s coming out as violent behavior in the classroom. I was trying to remember if it was always this bad once school got underway but this year just seems overwhelmingly bad.

I'm a Special Education teacher and have a child with a disability. Schools have been quietly whittling away services and making the job impossible for the past 10 years or so. Fewer services and fewer teachers who can provide the existing services is a recipe for disaster. Each year feels a little worse than the one before because qualified people are not willing to take a job where they're underpaid and not respected.

+1 we’ve cut self-contained programs and are striving to have even students with significant needs in gen Ed 80% of the time. It’s not going well.

Ex-teacher and SN parent here. This tracks with my experience.

Time for a class action lawsuit to get school districts back in alignment with the law. Nobody's needs are being served this way.

There is more though. Some of it is parenting styles are less authoritative (no more children are seen and not heard) and that parents haven’t really mastered the new style. But there is a mismatch between the factory style of education we have (all kids, same ages moving through same curriculum at school). We are also expecting more academically at younger ages than we did before.

Add that to the fact that plastics and environmental issues affect young bodies more and more kids have been diagnosed with delays, autism and adhd. Even typical kids get who have a device loving parent that give an IPad as an antidote to working through emotions can exhibit extreme behavior.

Another HUGE factor is that Teachers aren’t allowed to give consequences. We can’t pick a kid up (I’m talking preschool/Kindergarten) if they are kicking, biting or punching someone. We aren’t even allowed to tell them no. We are watched 3x a year for 2 hours each time and down graded if we give a kid a stern NO. It is insane.

Unless a lot of parents really make a stink about it, then nothing will happen. No doubt the teacher has tried repeatedly to get admin to take action, and they have refused. It's all too common.

What has changed is that NOTHING happens to the violent kid.

When I started teaching 25 years ago, kids who tried to violently lash out and/or destroy a classroom were restrained and prevented from doing so. Then they were often suspended so their parents were motivated to deal with the issue. They weren't kept in a classroom for YEARS doing the same thing over and over again.

It is incomprehensible that we are allowing students whether they are 5 or 7 or 12 or 15 year the power to control the classroom, assault other students and staff, and if they please to destroy rooms and cause the entire class to evacuate the classroom. That is an insane level of power to give a kid. Many of these kids are pretty clever and realize there are no consequences. Everything is now based on positives.

The toll this is taking on both general ed. teachers and special education teachers is catastrophic. As more and more special ed teachers quit, there are fewer places to send violent students so they are in general ed. classes. General ed. teachers are getting burned out because they have to do too much and are tired of one or two really disruptive kids making teaching insufferable . Districts have realized they can save money by trying to include most students. Many of these students need a smaller teacher to staff ratio and those classes are disappearing.

There really aren't many jobs were you are expected to be hit, kicked, bit, spit on, and sworn at on a weekly or daily basis and then blamed for not doing enough. A 6 year old shoots a teacher and the school district response is - well that's to be expected, that's one of the dangers of teaching.

Then your workplace gets destroyed by one child as well and you aren't reimbursed for all the items you purchased with your own money and all the time you spent making the classroom a pleasing place.

Now add to that the trauma other students are witnessing on a DAILY basis. Imagine going to work with a co-worker who throws things at you when you are trying to work, will rip up the paper you just completed, who might attack you, yell profanities at you, cause you to have to evacuate your office two to three times a week. It is so sad to hear how happy kids are when the massive behavior problem kid isn't there. They sense their teacher is ecstatic as well.

If you are a parent who has a kid in this situation, sorry it most likely isn't going to get better. After my kid got hit in the head with a rock, had to evacuate his class once a week, and saw how stressed his teacher was I decided to move him mid-year to a private school. There were just way too many problem kids in his cohort that were sucking the life out of his classes.

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Anonymous wrote:You have to threaten to go to the police about it or up the chain to the Super bc if you don't the admin will hold the violence against the teacher as bad classroom management and they will just blame blame blame the teachers.

The police? Get ahold of yourself. Seriously.

After many difficult years working in special education I think this is the way. Now that I am in a gen ed situation I have decided if a kid ever hits me again I will quit. If one hit my kid I'm calling the cops. Schools don't do sh!t to protect students or teachers. If there is an IEP in place their only concern in legal compliance, collateral damage be damned.

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How in the world would you know what action has or hasn't been taken?

My kid was that kid. BEGGED AND PLEADED for him to be removed to a special school. It never happened. By all means, bug the administration, I'm sure his parents don't want him to hurt other kids either.

what is his diagnosis?

I know there’s been no action because the student is in the classroom and my child continues to be hit.

Why would I tell you my kid's DX? You aren't a SN parent clearly.

Also - that doesn't mean there's been no action. Don't get me wrong, your kid being hit is completely unacceptable, but that doesn't mean the parents aren't doing anything.

Parents that have crazy kids that send them to school knowing they will cause irreparable damage to many other kids are complicit. Don't dare lash out at victimized parents and kids. You are choosing to send your kid to school with full knowledge of what's happening every day. You can't play the victim. You have no idea nor do you care what these kids do to the teacher and the kids. We had 3 established teachers quit for 3 consecutive grades because of several kids like this. One kid thought it was funny to pull on my kid's broken limb that was healing. This is not special needs for education these are sociopaths and these kids need to be gone.

Aaaaand you are why PP won’t share any more info about her child. SMH.

DP. The diagnosis does not matter to anyone other than the mother who knows her child is rotten. Okay? Trust and believe that the other parents aren’t worried about whether it’s a speech impediment or dyscalculia that’s causing poor Mason to attack everyone near him without those issues. Because in the first instance, that’s never true. FERPA doesn’t exist in terms of this discussion, so keep on being a big-backed delusional fool about how all these parent haters just want this important info about your messed-up zero-future kid for sh!ts and giggles. No. They want your kid making your flabby self miserable as you homeschool your “behaviorally disabled” ogre. These parents have their own lives where they already take responsibility for their own children. They. Don’t. Give. A. Flying. F. Nor should they about your excuses. They don’t care. They’re just waiting for the joyous moment where a peer beats your kid bloody and you finally freak out about what you currently fail to work on. The rest is noise.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone wonder why the heck we have so many violent elementary aged students nowadays? There existed in the past, but it feels like in every school I hear of multiple kids who are destructive and dangerous. What has changed?

I’m an SN parent and I’ve spent 10+ yrs on the Kids with SN forum. I was reading it yesterday wondering the same thing. The first page is filled with variations on the same topic. So many kids are struggling and it’s coming out as violent behavior in the classroom. I was trying to remember if it was always this bad once school got underway but this year just seems overwhelmingly bad.

I'm a Special Education teacher and have a child with a disability. Schools have been quietly whittling away services and making the job impossible for the past 10 years or so. Fewer services and fewer teachers who can provide the existing services is a recipe for disaster. Each year feels a little worse than the one before because qualified people are not willing to take a job where they're underpaid and not respected.

+1 we’ve cut self-contained programs and are striving to have even students with significant needs in gen Ed 80% of the time. It’s not going well.

Ex-teacher and SN parent here. This tracks with my experience.

Time for a class action lawsuit to get school districts back in alignment with the law. Nobody's needs are being served this way.