Anonymous wrote:Just because too much alcohol is bad doesn’t mean the only non-toxic level of alcohol is 0. No matter what some contemporary histrionics will indicate. There’s going to be virtually no difference in long term health consequences to someone who has 8-10 drinks a month vs someone who has 0.

I’d say someone doesn’t “really” drink if they drink at a rate that is so low as to be statistically insignificant from not drinking at all.

Probably in the neighborhood of 2-3 drinks spread out over 2-3 days per week (with food). At that dosage there’s likely about 10 things you’re consuming/exposed to that presents a higher toxicity risk and worse health outcomes.

The case for eliminating all processed meats, eliminating red meat and pork, and an array of processed foods is stronger than eliminating ALL alcohol.

At the rate of 2-3 drinks a week, I think I’d start worrying about mercury accumulating in my body from seafood before I’d worry about such low levels of alcohol which are processed very quickly. NSAIDs are probably also a higher (albeit very very low danger).

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Anonymous wrote:That's something I would say if my 14 yo was with me too!

Really? Lying is more acceptable to you than responsibly and moderately imbibing?

There is no acceptable amount that is healthy. But if he said that then drinkers would get upset.

I don’t see where I said drinking was healthy. But responsible, moderate drinking can be part of a healthy life, just as eating a steak or a bowl of ice cream can be. You don’t need to be abstinent to be healthy. This black or white thinking is so off-putting and frankly childish. It’s how I thought when I was 8.

It isn't childish because it is correct. There is nothing good that you get from drinking alcohol. And I honestly,
What do you care what I think? If you read the latest studies alcohol is responsible for six different cancers. But. Go ahead and drink. I don't care if you rot your brain or liver. As long as you don't drink and drive it is your life.

No one knows what I think about alcohol but while I don't push you to stop alcoholics will push you to drink or call you names. Like you pp. Maybe you are the immature one. Eh?

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I don't drink much, i.e., 3 glasses a year and I totally disagree with the bolded. It is a social lubricant. People with healthy social lives live longer. This has been proven over and over and over. Alcohol is a part of the culture in MANY of the societieswith the longest life spans. As PP said, living in a black and white world is childish. Alcohol is very much grey world. Too much is bad, we know that. A little can be very healthy.

A social lubricant..now I have heard it all...lol You know it is possible to be social and not drink alcohol. Alcohol was just proven to cause six different cancers. If that is your idea of a good time enjoy your cancer. As far as the 'childish' comment goes it is the truth and you are like children who can't handle the knowledge that alcohol is killing you.

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Anonymous wrote:That's something I would say if my 14 yo was with me too!

Really? Lying is more acceptable to you than responsibly and moderately imbibing?

There is no acceptable amount that is healthy. But if he said that then drinkers would get upset.

I don’t see where I said drinking was healthy. But responsible, moderate drinking can be part of a healthy life, just as eating a steak or a bowl of ice cream can be. You don’t need to be abstinent to be healthy. This black or white thinking is so off-putting and frankly childish. It’s how I thought when I was 8.

These things are not the same. Steak has protein, ice cream has calcium, alcohol has poison. There isn't a nutritional value in alcohol, especially the way some of y'all drink it.

You'll try some "red wine has..." and so does a tomato, without the carcinogens.

So yeah, those of us who don't drink (at all) will often hedge it a bit ("I don't really drink") because y'all tend to freak out when we say it's not for us at all.

I think people "freak out" with the condescending judgements, not the 'I don't drink'.

I get this if the non drinker is telling them alcohol is bad, poison or whatever, but why do drinkers automatically feel judged simply by someone saying "no, thanks, I don't really drink" and leaving it at that?

Anonymous wrote:Every one in my immediate family would say that. Meaning they might have a margarita in Mexico or champagne during wedding toasts. But never multiples and never to get drunk.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't "really" drink means you are standing next to your 14 year old son who is listening to the answer.

Cute answer but no. It is an easy way for those of us who don't drink alcohol or rarely ever drink alcohol to end the discussion. You would be surprised by how many people are offended by non-drinkers. Those people often are crazy and feel the need to push non drinkers to to drink. Some people are relentless.

Anonymous wrote:I don't "really" drink means you are standing next to your 14 year old son who is listening to the answer.

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Anonymous wrote:That's something I would say if my 14 yo was with me too!

Really? Lying is more acceptable to you than responsibly and moderately imbibing?

There is no acceptable amount that is healthy. But if he said that then drinkers would get upset.

I don’t see where I said drinking was healthy. But responsible, moderate drinking can be part of a healthy life, just as eating a steak or a bowl of ice cream can be. You don’t need to be abstinent to be healthy. This black or white thinking is so off-putting and frankly childish. It’s how I thought when I was 8.

These things are not the same. Steak has protein, ice cream has calcium, alcohol has poison. There isn't a nutritional value in alcohol, especially the way some of y'all drink it.

You'll try some "red wine has..." and so does a tomato, without the carcinogens.

So yeah, those of us who don't drink (at all) will often hedge it a bit ("I don't really drink") because y'all tend to freak out when we say it's not for us at all.

I think people "freak out" with the condescending judgements, not the 'I don't drink'.

I get this if the non drinker is telling them alcohol is bad, poison or whatever, but why do drinkers automatically feel judged simply by someone saying "no, thanks, I don't really drink" and leaving it at that?

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Anonymous wrote:That's something I would say if my 14 yo was with me too!

Really? Lying is more acceptable to you than responsibly and moderately imbibing?

There is no acceptable amount that is healthy. But if he said that then drinkers would get upset.

I don’t see where I said drinking was healthy. But responsible, moderate drinking can be part of a healthy life, just as eating a steak or a bowl of ice cream can be. You don’t need to be abstinent to be healthy. This black or white thinking is so off-putting and frankly childish. It’s how I thought when I was 8.

It isn't childish because it is correct. There is nothing good that you get from drinking alcohol. And I honestly,
What do you care what I think? If you read the latest studies alcohol is responsible for six different cancers. But. Go ahead and drink. I don't care if you rot your brain or liver. As long as you don't drink and drive it is your life.

No one knows what I think about alcohol but while I don't push you to stop alcoholics will push you to drink or call you names. Like you pp. Maybe you are the immature one. Eh?

DP

I don't drink much, i.e., 3 glasses a year and I totally disagree with the bolded. It is a social lubricant. People with healthy social lives live longer. This has been proven over and over and over. Alcohol is a part of the culture in MANY of the societieswith the longest life spans. As PP said, living in a black and white world is childish. Alcohol is very much grey world. Too much is bad, we know that. A little can be very healthy.

A social lubricant..now I have heard it all...lol You know it is possible to be social and not drink alcohol. Alcohol was just proven to cause six different cancers. If that is your idea of a good time enjoy your cancer. As far as the 'childish' comment goes it is the truth and you are like children who can't handle the knowledge that alcohol is killing you.

For your education: https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/04-01-2023-no-level-of-alcohol-consumption-is-safe-for-our-health I forgot to post this for all you drinkers out there.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t really drink. Here’s what I mean by that:

Because wine can be a migraine trigger and is linked with breast cancer (and I have a family history of BC), I pretty much gave up wine. I might have a few sips once or twice a year at a holiday event or gathering.

Because beer is fattening and upsets my stomach, I only have one beer 0 to 3 times a year (think: really cold light beer with a lime wedge at a party or on vacation…and I never finish the entire bottle).

I’ll have 1 or 2 hard ciders (probably half the serving) each year at a bonfire or beer farm each fall season.

A tiny bit of champagne once or twice a year at party.

Frozen drinks on vacation. Never finish the entire drink (barely half…which frustrates my cheapskate husband).

Another way to think about this: we don’t keep beer or booze in our house and if I never had another drink for the rest of my life I wouldn’t really notice or miss it.

FTR, I’ve never had a drinking problem. I just realize it’s not healthy and I’m long past my teen years when getting drunk was fun.

In 2024, anyone who drinks daily must not be paying attention to the research.

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Anonymous wrote:That's something I would say if my 14 yo was with me too!

Really? Lying is more acceptable to you than responsibly and moderately imbibing?

There is no acceptable amount that is healthy. But if he said that then drinkers would get upset.

I don’t see where I said drinking was healthy. But responsible, moderate drinking can be part of a healthy life, just as eating a steak or a bowl of ice cream can be. You don’t need to be abstinent to be healthy. This black or white thinking is so off-putting and frankly childish. It’s how I thought when I was 8.

It isn't childish because it is correct. There is nothing good that you get from drinking alcohol. And I honestly,
What do you care what I think? If you read the latest studies alcohol is responsible for six different cancers. But. Go ahead and drink. I don't care if you rot your brain or liver. As long as you don't drink and drive it is your life.

No one knows what I think about alcohol but while I don't push you to stop alcoholics will push you to drink or call you names. Like you pp. Maybe you are the immature one. Eh?

DP

I don't drink much, i.e., 3 glasses a year and I totally disagree with the bolded. It is a social lubricant. People with healthy social lives live longer. This has been proven over and over and over. Alcohol is a part of the culture in MANY of the societieswith the longest life spans. As PP said, living in a black and white world is childish. Alcohol is very much grey world. Too much is bad, we know that. A little can be very healthy.

A social lubricant..now I have heard it all...lol You know it is possible to be social and not drink alcohol. Alcohol was just proven to cause six different cancers. If that is your idea of a good time enjoy your cancer. As far as the 'childish' comment goes it is the truth and you are like children who can't handle the knowledge that alcohol is killing you.

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Anonymous wrote:That's something I would say if my 14 yo was with me too!

Really? Lying is more acceptable to you than responsibly and moderately imbibing?

There is no acceptable amount that is healthy. But if he said that then drinkers would get upset.

I don’t see where I said drinking was healthy. But responsible, moderate drinking can be part of a healthy life, just as eating a steak or a bowl of ice cream can be. You don’t need to be abstinent to be healthy. This black or white thinking is so off-putting and frankly childish. It’s how I thought when I was 8.

It isn't childish because it is correct. There is nothing good that you get from drinking alcohol. And I honestly,
What do you care what I think? If you read the latest studies alcohol is responsible for six different cancers. But. Go ahead and drink. I don't care if you rot your brain or liver. As long as you don't drink and drive it is your life.

No one knows what I think about alcohol but while I don't push you to stop alcoholics will push you to drink or call you names. Like you pp. Maybe you are the immature one. Eh?

DP

I don't drink much, i.e., 3 glasses a year and I totally disagree with the bolded. It is a social lubricant. People with healthy social lives live longer. This has been proven over and over and over. Alcohol is a part of the culture in MANY of the societieswith the longest life spans. As PP said, living in a black and white world is childish. Alcohol is very much grey world. Too much is bad, we know that. A little can be very healthy.