Anonymous wrote:The real ranking is actions by real people.
Combination of acceptance rate + yield rate + student caliber. Everything is dissolved in that.

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This seems like a list without payoffs and manipulation.

Ummm really?
Duke at 20 way too low
UC San Diego at 21 way too high
Cal Tech at 22 way too low
Georgetown and Emory at 32 and 33 also too low.
BYU at 36 too High
Pomona at 37 too low
It's a strange list after the top 10.

Seems right to me. My brother covers higher education in the press including NYT and says the rankings are pretty legit in his opinion.

JMU over Kenyon? UCONN over Wake? Not in a million years and I’m a JMU booster.

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Anonymous wrote:UF ahead of Michigan, UNC, and UVA. Go Gators!

University of Florida at 26! Go Gators!

And #4 for top public!

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Anonymous wrote:"No, Georgetown, Emory, WashU are permanent T25s. Some crazy choices Forbes ranked above them include
CMC
UCSD
Bowdoin
UF
USC"

Partly agree. "Permanent T25s" when slacs are not included. Ucsd & uf totally agree, crazy. Bowdoin, cmc & usc, arguable but not totally crazy.

You are clueless regarding UCSD and UF. USC, as well.

UCSD is a bunch of UCLA rejects who can’t cope. Perfectly respectable school, but #3 & 2nd tier in their own testblind for entry overrated public school system. No way they should be above Georgetown, Emory & WashU.

UF much better than most would think nowadays. Regionally strong rep & network. Top UF kids are underrated and would be competitive at most any top school. Good # of hardworking bright kids w/hi-stats who just didn’t get into ivies or Duke/Vanderbilt/Emory or decided to stay home due to Bright Futures. But end of day being a public school & having to accept kids from all across the state, hard to put above Georgetown, Emory & WashU.

USC, same tier as Georgetown, Emory & WashU. Hard for older folks who remember the old USC to comprehend.

UF's SAT score profile is a 1320-1450. UF's 75th percentile is Emory, Georgetown, and Washu's 25th percentile.

I have familiarity with the University of Florida, the University of Georgia, Emory, WashUStl, Georgetown, and UC-San Diego. The University of Florida is an excellent state school as are U Georgia & UC-San Diego, however U Florida is a bit overrated (and overcrowded).

Forbes makes a point to differentiate it's rankings from US News and to shock readers in order to garner attention.

IMO, FL's education in general will be impacted by Desantis' policies.

He will be gone soon enough.

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Anonymous wrote:"No, Georgetown, Emory, WashU are permanent T25s. Some crazy choices Forbes ranked above them include
CMC
UCSD
Bowdoin
UF
USC"

Partly agree. "Permanent T25s" when slacs are not included. Ucsd & uf totally agree, crazy. Bowdoin, cmc & usc, arguable but not totally crazy.

You are clueless regarding UCSD and UF. USC, as well.

UCSD is a bunch of UCLA rejects who can’t cope. Perfectly respectable school, but #3 & 2nd tier in their own testblind for entry overrated public school system. No way they should be above Georgetown, Emory & WashU.

UF much better than most would think nowadays. Regionally strong rep & network. Top UF kids are underrated and would be competitive at most any top school. Good # of hardworking bright kids w/hi-stats who just didn’t get into ivies or Duke/Vanderbilt/Emory or decided to stay home due to Bright Futures. But end of day being a public school & having to accept kids from all across the state, hard to put above Georgetown, Emory & WashU.

USC, same tier as Georgetown, Emory & WashU. Hard for older folks who remember the old USC to comprehend.

UF's SAT score profile is a 1320-1450. UF's 75th percentile is Emory, Georgetown, and Washu's 25th percentile.

I have familiarity with the University of Florida, the University of Georgia, Emory, WashUStl, Georgetown, and UC-San Diego. The University of Florida is an excellent state school as are U Georgia & UC-San Diego, however U Florida is a bit overrated (and overcrowded).

Forbes makes a point to differentiate it's rankings from US News and to shock readers in order to garner attention.

IMO, FL's education in general will be impacted by Desantis' policies.

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This seems like a list without payoffs and manipulation.

Ummm, Carnegie Mellon is below Cal Poly SLO. In what world is that accurate? (Its' not---CalPolySLO is a good school, but definately not on par with CMU)

Average quality of student is ignored on this list which is a shame. Student quality determines how fast and deep classes can go, for humanities and stem. CMU is far and above better than cal poly. Caltech should be in the top 10.

Yup!
This list apparently favors large states schools vs smaller private schools on many levels. Which is the opposite of what we look for in schools. I believe in smaller class sizes, the ability to major in whatever you want versus competing in Hunger Games 2.0 (HS was 1.0) to get into your desired undergrad major, and similarly the Hunger Games experience to get into the actual classes you want/need for your desired major.

I don't care about the mega facilities or research happening at most large state U's because most undergrads will never get the opportunity to experience any of it---except for the crappy profs who don't give a shit about teaching but are required to teach one-two courses each semester (they are there for doing research and research only as a prof)

1. What you call Hunger Games, I call life preparation. They have to compete and stand up for themselves. Sometimes it doesnt work out but you keep pressing on. Kids their age not in school have/seeking full time employment. Many are in the military. You can continue with the handholding or let them find their way in adulthood.
2. My kid was introduced to research during his freshman year at UMD. Had paid research internship through a joint UMD/Fed government agency the summer after his freshman year.

Your tirade is completely off the mark.

Agree. That person has issues. I chuckle at parents who say their adult child can't handle a big school. The world is BIG. One SLAC student tour guide -- who had attended a 17-person expensive school in NYC -- said they wouldn't know what to do at a big school. I was done right there. I want my kid to know how to handle the big, bad world.

Majority who attend a smaller university (under 8-10k) are quite capable of "handling the big bad world". But choose to take advantage of a smaller environment that allows them to hone their skills in a more personable environment.

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Anonymous wrote:UF ahead of Michigan, UNC, and UVA. Go Gators!

University of Florida at 26! Go Gators!

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Anonymous wrote:Waiting for someone to chime in about Northeastern@#73.
Carnegie-Mellon way too low
ND a bit low
Florida above Michigan, UVA & UNC!?
Ball-washing for the UC’s: Cal & Ucla slightly overrated. SD, SB & Irvine overrated
#’s 28-34 oddly feels just right. USC-Michigan-WashU-UNC-Georgetown-Emory-UVA

Tufts 52, Boston Univ 53, Boston College 59, so Northeastern 73 is not really too peculiar for their standard,
but Case Western @#238

Anonymous wrote:Waiting for someone to chime in about Northeastern@#73.
Carnegie-Mellon way too low
ND a bit low
Florida above Michigan, UVA & UNC!?
Ball-washing for the UC’s: Cal & Ucla slightly overrated. SD, SB & Irvine overrated
#’s 28-34 oddly feels just right. USC-Michigan-WashU-UNC-Georgetown-Emory-UVA

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Anonymous wrote:"No, Georgetown, Emory, WashU are permanent T25s. Some crazy choices Forbes ranked above them include
CMC
UCSD
Bowdoin
UF
USC"

Partly agree. "Permanent T25s" when slacs are not included. Ucsd & uf totally agree, crazy. Bowdoin, cmc & usc, arguable but not totally crazy.

You are clueless regarding UCSD and UF. USC, as well.

UCSD is a bunch of UCLA rejects who can’t cope. Perfectly respectable school, but #3 & 2nd tier in their own testblind for entry overrated public school system. No way they should be above Georgetown, Emory & WashU.

UF much better than most would think nowadays. Regionally strong rep & network. Top UF kids are underrated and would be competitive at most any top school. Good # of hardworking bright kids w/hi-stats who just didn’t get into ivies or Duke/Vanderbilt/Emory or decided to stay home due to Bright Futures. But end of day being a public school & having to accept kids from all across the state, hard to put above Georgetown, Emory & WashU.

USC, same tier as Georgetown, Emory & WashU. Hard for older folks who remember the old USC to comprehend.

UF's SAT score profile is a 1320-1450. UF's 75th percentile is Emory, Georgetown, and Washu's 25th percentile.

I have familiarity with the University of Florida, the University of Georgia, Emory, WashUStl, Georgetown, and UC-San Diego. The University of Florida is an excellent state school as are U Georgia & UC-San Diego, however U Florida is a bit overrated (and overcrowded).

Forbes makes a point to differentiate it's rankings from US News and to shock readers in order to garner attention.

UF has never been TO. Honor college 50% sat is 1500+

You are not comparing apples to apples if you ignore the kids getting in Test optional at other schools.

I am the "DP" to whom you responded.

You make two great points:

UF has never been TO and the standards for the UF Honors College are equivalent to those at the University of Georgia. Nevertheless, UF has to deal with overcrowding and lack of geographical diversity (even though the state of Florida is very diverse in other ways).

One way to compare would be to attend classes at several different highly ranked colleges and universities. The honors only classes at U Florida & at U Georgia are the most similar to all classes at highly ranked private colleges and universities.

Personally, I love the environment (social & academic) and myriad of opportunities found on SEC and Big Ten Conference campuses. Nevertheless, online classes (UF undergraduate business school) and large, crowded lecture halls for intro courses do dilute the educational experience.

Anonymous wrote:UF ahead of Michigan, UNC, and UVA. Go Gators!

Anonymous wrote:What's striking about the Forbes list is the average grant aid. Good to see it included in an easy to read format. Stanford, Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Rice, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Dartmouth, Brown, Duke, CalTech, Wellesley, and Amherst are not messing around. They want the best of the best.

And that's where you are seeing some difference with Notre Dame, Georgetown, Swarthmore, Emory, and NYU.

The publics are pathetic with grants. If you have a talented kid, don't even bother.