Anonymous
Post 08/18/2024 11:11     Subject: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles
Anonymous wrote:Too bad the vast, vast majority of men don’t have jobs that fund the SAH lifestyle people are thinking of. Not too many women want to live in a rental taking care of kids they can’t accord enrichment for clipping coupons and never traveling. The ones who can afford the nicer lifestyle have an actual choice.


+1. Women need the boost of a patriarchal religion threatening eternal damnation before they want to be a trad wife on a budget.
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2024 10:57     Subject: Re: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Neglect of social science is a huge factor in this kind of thinking. People who actually learn about history, gender studies, and social economics know that this vision of "traditional" roles with SAH spouse was never common. (Those people would also know what the words "feminism" and "patriarchy" mean, which I'm not sure OP does.)

In an aggragrian society, everybody works but mostly not for cash. There was no "going to work" vs staying home, although you might share labor among neighbors. As things urbanized and moved to cash, people almost immediately outsourced their meals and laundry, so there were women with businesses and working outside the home. In both scenarios there were a lot of people who never married: they lived with family, or worked for the rich, or went into religion or military.

The idea of widespread marriage where one man's cash wage supports a SAHM nuclear family was a thing for a very brief period in the US, and only for a faction of the population. A blip, not traditional.


This is not what labor statistics show. But this is often repeated on here. Women didn’t even have access to daycare or any sort of maternity leave so it was extremely difficult for a woman to hold down any sort of job outside of the home. Women working a man’s job is a recent thing.


Women often had home based businesses, such as sowing, etc. Plus, their jobs didn’t require such high level training, and once the older daughters could care for younger ones (around 10 years maybe), the woman often took on jobs for wealthier people like laundry, which was physically demanding and hard labor and most MC and UMC women didn’t want to do. This was a real job before the invention of laundry machines and their common availability in the 1950s.
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2024 06:15     Subject: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles
This stupidest post have ever read.
That’s not what the article is saying at ALL
- unless you have inherited wealth or wildly successful when young then you both need to earn.
- careers aren’t linear and sometimes one person will earn more for reasons that aren’t planned. You gonna tell them to quit if they are a woman bc it doesn’t fit with the plan? No.
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2024 19:32     Subject: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles
Anonymous wrote:Too bad the vast, vast majority of men don’t have jobs that fund the SAH lifestyle people are thinking of. Not too many women want to live in a rental taking care of kids they can’t accord enrichment for clipping coupons and never traveling. The ones who can afford the nicer lifestyle have an actual choice.


+1 It's this. Young men, young women and whoever else in between might be preferring to go the traditional gender roles route, but in reality most don't qualify. This trend (if there is one) will take care of itself.
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2024 19:04     Subject: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles
Anonymous wrote:The term is "trad wife "

Please, as a professional working woman, I pray to God you are correct. The women who want to be wives and mothers, please stay home and do that full time. We're tired of you only putting in minimal effort at work.


Trad wife isn’t SAHM. Different connotations and worldviews.
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2024 19:02     Subject: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles
Too bad the vast, vast majority of men don’t have jobs that fund the SAH lifestyle people are thinking of. Not too many women want to live in a rental taking care of kids they can’t accord enrichment for clipping coupons and never traveling. The ones who can afford the nicer lifestyle have an actual choice.
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2024 19:00     Subject: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles
So few people actually think this. All these posts seem to be from the same troll trying to convince everyone that this is something. But it's not.
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2024 18:52     Subject: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles
Yes, we must always listen to what men want. Don't you all know that?
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2024 18:51     Subject: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No, they're just going to find out no one wants to date or marry them with those attitudes.


There are many many young women who want a guy who makes all the money and they can stay home. That is also pretty common now. Income and will pay for everything is very high on most young women’s lists.



Have you ever noticed that a lot of the guys who want a SAHM traditional partner are the same guys who will never crack 65k/year?


I think there are two different camps in this whole discussion.

There are those men that want a stay at home because they feel that is where a woman belongs and they are lazy and want everything done for them and have that traditional view regardless of income. And want the security of knowing the woman is 100% reliant on them.

Then there are men who want a SAH because that is what works best for the family as whole. It allows them to pursue or stay in a higher earning career. They have some that can hold down the fort and not worry about juggling schedules when they have an extra long work day. They realize the ease of logistics, especially when planning vacations. The wife has more flexibility and security because of a better financial situation. I will the latter is more common in the DC area.


My husband is in this second camp. What drove me crazy for years was that he wouldn’t or couldn’t just come out and say it. He would always say that it was my decision to work or not, and he supported whatever I wanted to do. But his support was lip service only. He was never home to take kids to daycare and couldn’t be relied on to pick them up. He would be home for dinner, but not home to cook, and he would often log back in to finish notes or work on lectures afterward. I couldn’t realistically travel, come in early, or stay late without getting childcare or having my mom come to stay.
I got burnt out. Our house wasn’t a pleasant place to be. I really think that he thought “supporting” me working meant not actively discouraging it.
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2024 18:50     Subject: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles
Anonymous wrote:This is like an Onion Headline “Men who Bendfitted From Patriarchy Decide Feminism Is On Its Way Out”. (Subtitle: “offer to explain it to young women who might be confused”)


Anonymous
Post 08/17/2024 18:41     Subject: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles
This is like an Onion Headline “Men who Bendfitted From Patriarchy Decide Feminism Is On Its Way Out”. (Subtitle: “offer to explain it to young women who might be confused”)
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2024 18:19     Subject: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles
The term is "trad wife "

Please, as a professional working woman, I pray to God you are correct. The women who want to be wives and mothers, please stay home and do that full time. We're tired of you only putting in minimal effort at work.
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2024 18:14     Subject: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The unpopular but true opinion is that being a housewife is an amazing job. You don't have a boss. You can wakeup whenever you want most days. The lions share of chores are a cinch. Wow, throw in laundry and go run on the treadmill for an hour. Throw in dryer and stream Netflix vids.

Why would you want a stressful professional job that kills you and makes you die early?

Gen Z women have figure out that the working world is overrated and for suckers.



Tell me you have never been a stay home parent without telling me. In fact, tell me you never had kids and live in mother’s basement. You cannot wake up whenever you want. Lol. You get up when your kids get up. You get up when they have early morning lacrosse camps and when your three year old doesn’t sleep past 5:30 AM. I have been a SAHM mom for 20 years. Husband has a demanding high net worth job. It is lonely and boring. Though still the right choice for our family as a whole.



That’s only for a few years though. Stay at home parent is the gravy train once kids get into middle school and beyond because they’re largely self sufficient.


I guess that depends on your definition of “a few years.” If you have 3-4 kids, it could easily be 20+ years before your youngest child is in their teens and “self-sufficient.”

Anonymous
Post 08/17/2024 18:10     Subject: Re: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles
Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's all just "young men" who prefer the traditional roles....

There is a "tradwife" trend: https://abcnews.go.com/US/tradwife-lifestyle-trends-social-media-internet-divided/story?id=111327508

My DD who has been in long-term relationship with SO (HS sweetheart) is a new teacher and tells me she plans to take a break from teaching when she has kids to be able spend at least the first years with them instead of going back to work after just 12 weeks. DD also states she wants kids before 30. If that's the end of feminism then I fully support it.

I went to work after 12 weeks and continued to work in the corporate world - while I did and still do have a flexible work-life balance...DD still remembers the "crunch" and "stressful" times when I still had to do a little work even while on PTO. But what works for me and my life isn't going to work for hers and that's perfectly fine - she is not my clone.


That's what your daughter wants and it's fine with you . . . even though no one seems to know what her SO wants?
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2024 18:02     Subject: The End of Feminism? Young Men Prefer Traditional Gender Roles

Are you kidding! At my Country Club in Bethesda very few of the women work full time. Before you knock country club, Obama belongs there.

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No, they're just going to find out no one wants to date or marry them with those attitudes.


Yes ,it’s going to be hard for a man to find a woman who wants to take care of kid, family and home instead of going into the workforce.

You’re delusional if you think that is going to be hard.