Anonymous
Post 08/16/2024 07:02     Subject: Vance’s Latest Misogynistic View
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Having a grandparent care for your kids is a wonderful thing. You know what isn't a wonderful thing?

Agreeing that this is the only thing the grandmother is good for anymore.


This.
You do you honey...hell give your kids to your mom...I don't care, but to act like she has no other worth than a baby sitter is demeaning.
Anonymous
Post 08/16/2024 06:42     Subject: Vance’s Latest Misogynistic View
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Anonymous wrote:"Postmenopausal females" -- and they wonder why we call them weird. What a psychotic way to refer to older women.


Why do these people have difficulty using the noun woman instead of the adjective female when discussing women?

It’s WOMEN, JD. Go ahead and try to say it.


Funny that none of you will acknowledge that Vance didn't make that comment. The guy interviewing him did.


Two conservative guys had a weird cringy podcast conversation judging the value of women based on how the women serve them. There was no disagreement, not even a “yes, but …” from Vance. He agreed that his mother in law’s value was her childcare contribution.


So, you see a few words uttered on a podcast that trigger you for some unknown reason and you jump to conclusions about the content of the podcast and draw conclusions that were absolutely NOT made because you are nothing more than an uninformed, partisan idiot who will not take the time to get more information.
No, that is not what they said on the podcast. The conversation focused on society, the changes that have occurred that have been, in some cases, positive, and in some cases, negative. And, how Vance's experience growing up was different than many in society today. It was actually very good and very thought-provoking. But, you are unwilling to fathom that.
Anonymous
Post 08/16/2024 05:29     Subject: Vance’s Latest Misogynistic View
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Anonymous wrote:I agree with his core premise—- it’s much better , in most cases, for a child to be raised by parents/grandparents vs daycare. Universal daycare is what is eww in this discussion.


I do too. Totally.

I would also like to point out that this audio is clearly edited... who knows what is spliced or missing. And, it is an article from Salon, so that makes it even more questionable.
Having said that, if advocating for having a grandparent assist with the care of a newborn infant is misogynistic, call me a misogynist. I like when he pointed out that she could have just continued working and given some of her salary to help them out, but she chose to help with the care itself.
And, I say this as someone who is currently in this exact position.... and I'm not Indian. A grandmother who is lucky enough to help with the care of her grandchild during the critical first years of development. I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world.


That's wonderful but many grandparents are still working, many are infirm, many kids have moved far from home so the grandparents aren't there to help, my own parents have a little of both - my father is still working and my mother has a debilitating disease that would make it impossible for her to have helped even if the kids were still close by enough for them to help to the degree that daycare wouldn't have been necessary.

But it's nice that you've figured out all the secrets to life.


I think it would be a really nice policy to mandate for a one year sabbatical for any person who wants to take care of any other person- whether it is a child, parent, grandchild, partner, or even a friend.

Imagine how many people that would help, how many people wouldn’t be alone at the end of their lives, how many children would have a loving caregiver, how many unmarried people could have care from someone who loves them.

Still waiting for Republicans to propose this!


You mean go a year without pay but have your job held open while you're out? Sounds very doable.



First of all, going for a year without pay is not doable for the vast majority of Americans.

Second of all, FMLA is 3 months without pay, not a year. And I don’t think it applies to anyone except parents are caregivers, not grandparents.

Third—the party fighting things line parental leave (forget paid parental leave), the child tax credit and other policies that would make it financially possible to take time off is.. not the Democrats.

If you look on the jobs and careers section of this board, a lot of right wing hate that Feds finally got paid parental leave— from the right wing.

If you want parents (not mothers and grandmothers— parents) to take a year off, make it a policy position, like Dems do. So *people, parents, grandparents* can do this and not lose their house and starve. And have their job protected.

Fourth— postmenopausal women? Ewww. What a weirdo. Why does he care about my period so much? He spends so much time discussing whether I bleed each month. He wants me to report my periods, be restricted in what I can do if I miss one, care for my grandkids if they stop. Just gross.
Anonymous
Post 08/16/2024 02:26     Subject: Re:Vance’s Latest Misogynistic View
Vance even said earlier on in the podcast that we should have legislation to make it easier to allow a parent to remain home during the first year, and acknowledging that this would probably be mostly the moms who chose to do that because...... Yes, research indicates that mothers would like to stay home longer with their children (as opposed to fathers). That is just fact.

Hey, someone told me that the guy who said this is in the Senate now, you know, one of the places that determines what legislation we have. Did he propose any bills like this while he was there? I know it’s only been a minute but still, he seems so sincere in his beliefs.
Anonymous
Post 08/16/2024 01:51     Subject: Vance’s Latest Misogynistic View
He reminds me on one of those wanna be alpha males you might see on tik tok. Just negative and bad advice.
Anonymous
Post 08/16/2024 01:35     Subject: Vance’s Latest Misogynistic View
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Anonymous wrote:"Postmenopausal females" -- and they wonder why we call them weird. What a psychotic way to refer to older women.

Does he refer to his mother this way? Will he refer to his wife this way when she hits that stage? Weirdo.

He gives me incel vibes.

I doubt he refers to his mother that way. His mother was an abusive, drug-addicted, unstable woman. For that reason, his grandmother took over raising him when he was a teenager.


So this is why he hates women so much. He is an abandoned puppy. What a weirdo!

Anonymous
Post 08/16/2024 00:36     Subject: Vance’s Latest Misogynistic View
Did she have the baby before her appellate clerkship or before her Supreme Court clerkship? I cannot imagine having a baby with a Supreme Court clerkship. My husband was flipping out about the idea of me possibly giving birth before his Supreme Court clerkship. She must have been seriously flipped out — no wonder her mom came to help. But also lame that he couldn’t take the year off to care for the baby.

Also I wonder if her law firm pressured her to resign rather than take a sabbatical. The Trump folks are pretty unliked within the big law legal establishment, outside of the jones day folks.
Anonymous
Post 08/16/2024 00:23     Subject: Vance’s Latest Misogynistic View
Anonymous wrote:I agree with his core premise—- it’s much better , in most cases, for a child to be raised by parents/grandparents vs daycare. Universal daycare is what is eww in this discussion.


He lives in Virginia and the grandparents live and have successful careers in CA. I doubt they raised his three kids much beyond that first year with the first newborn. Which brings the question, who was raising the kids while Usha was still practicing, and Hamel was serving as a Senator? A nanny? Usha quit her job the day Trump announced his VP candidate.
Anonymous
Post 08/16/2024 00:17     Subject: Vance’s Latest Misogynistic View
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Anonymous wrote:"Postmenopausal females" -- and they wonder why we call them weird. What a psychotic way to refer to older women.

Does he refer to his mother this way? Will he refer to his wife this way when she hits that stage? Weirdo.

He gives me incel vibes.

I doubt he refers to his mother that way. His mother was an abusive, drug-addicted, unstable woman. For that reason, his grandmother took over raising him when he was a teenager.


Yet he brought his mother to the RNC so he could call her out as ten years sober. Most people go no contact with truly abusive parents. I think he may have exaggerated in his book a little.
Anonymous
Post 08/16/2024 00:13     Subject: Vance’s Latest Misogynistic View
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Anonymous wrote:"Postmenopausal females" -- and they wonder why we call them weird. What a psychotic way to refer to older women.

Does he refer to his mother this way? Will he refer to his wife this way when she hits that stage? Weirdo.

He gives me incel vibes.


Isn't Usha about 39? It won't be long until she is useless. It will be a long time until she has grandchildren to raise.
Anonymous
Post 08/15/2024 23:45     Subject: Vance’s Latest Misogynistic View
Anonymous wrote:
Having a grandparent care for your kids is a wonderful thing. You know what isn't a wonderful thing?

Agreeing that this is the only thing the grandmother is good for anymore.


Well since that’s not what was “agreed on,” you don’t need to fret.
Anonymous
Post 08/15/2024 23:42     Subject: Vance’s Latest Misogynistic View
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I agree with his core premise—- it’s much better , in most cases, for a child to be raised by parents/grandparents vs daycare. Universal daycare is what is eww in this discussion.


I do too. Totally.

I would also like to point out that this audio is clearly edited... who knows what is spliced or missing. And, it is an article from Salon, so that makes it even more questionable.
Having said that, if advocating for having a grandparent assist with the care of a newborn infant is misogynistic, call me a misogynist. I like when he pointed out that she could have just continued working and given some of her salary to help them out, but she chose to help with the care itself.
And, I say this as someone who is currently in this exact position.... and I'm not Indian. A grandmother who is lucky enough to help with the care of her grandchild during the critical first years of development. I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world.


+100
It's beyond telling that liberals are objecting to his point - that having a grandparent care for your kids is a wonderful thing. My own mom did something very similar and we all benefitted from it. My kids grew so close to her and didn't have to attend daycare. Bonus all around.

I mean, many millions of people have had help from grandparents for generations. Why is it a political stance now and why is it partisan? Why are Republicans even talking about this? If they're not talking about a policy decision related to it that could benefit families, then they just need to get off this subject. There are two wars going on and could they discuss health care, environmental or housing issues, perhaps? Maybe choose not to be a guest on podcasts and shows that can't get beyond these family issues? They won't.


Um… the podcast in question was recorded FOUR years ago. Good grief.
Anonymous
Post 08/15/2024 23:39     Subject: Vance’s Latest Misogynistic View
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Anonymous wrote:"Postmenopausal females" -- and they wonder why we call them weird. What a psychotic way to refer to older women.

Does he refer to his mother this way? Will he refer to his wife this way when she hits that stage? Weirdo.

He gives me incel vibes.


+1

His wife must have some serious issues to consent to a relationship with this POS.


I wonder how his mother-in-law will vote? And what family holiday dinners will be like going forward.

As for his wife, I think she’s worked hard to get Vance this far, and probably wholeheartedly supports most of it, although it can’t be winning her points with her suburban neighbors. I do think, though, that this might not be the first relationship where a spouse reveals who they really are after marriage and kids. I’ve wondered before why Usha quit her job instead of taking a leave of absence until after the election results were in.


What a strange thing to wonder. You realize that many women - and some men - decide to leave their careers in order to raise their children, right? Nothing odd about that whatsoever.
DP


She quit when her husband accepted the VP job for Trump — even if the purported reason was raising their children. I find it curious that she decided to give up her independent income before her husband’s next job is a done deal. Many people would do that. Many people would not.



It's expected in Republican circles.


Such a stupid statement.
DP
Anonymous
Post 08/15/2024 23:37     Subject: Vance’s Latest Misogynistic View

Having a grandparent care for your kids is a wonderful thing. You know what isn't a wonderful thing?

Agreeing that this is the only thing the grandmother is good for anymore.
Anonymous
Post 08/15/2024 23:08     Subject: Vance’s Latest Misogynistic View
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I agree with his core premise—- it’s much better , in most cases, for a child to be raised by parents/grandparents vs daycare. Universal daycare is what is eww in this discussion.


I do too. Totally.

I would also like to point out that this audio is clearly edited... who knows what is spliced or missing. And, it is an article from Salon, so that makes it even more questionable.
Having said that, if advocating for having a grandparent assist with the care of a newborn infant is misogynistic, call me a misogynist. I like when he pointed out that she could have just continued working and given some of her salary to help them out, but she chose to help with the care itself.
And, I say this as someone who is currently in this exact position.... and I'm not Indian. A grandmother who is lucky enough to help with the care of her grandchild during the critical first years of development. I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world.


+100
It's beyond telling that liberals are objecting to his point - that having a grandparent care for your kids is a wonderful thing. My own mom did something very similar and we all benefitted from it. My kids grew so close to her and didn't have to attend daycare. Bonus all around.

I mean, many millions of people have had help from grandparents for generations. Why is it a political stance now and why is it partisan? Why are Republicans even talking about this? If they're not talking about a policy decision related to it that could benefit families, then they just need to get off this subject. There are two wars going on and could they discuss health care, environmental or housing issues, perhaps? Maybe choose not to be a guest on podcasts and shows that can't get beyond these family issues? They won't.