Anonymous
07/24/2024 17:57
Subject: Why are DCUM parents less inclined to have their child major in business?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not a major for academically smart kids.
True, outside of the top undergrad business programs (Wharton, Mit, Cornell, and about 5 others) it is not where smart kids land. Look at the smartest kids from the top private high schools and top publics: Engineering, other stem, Liberal Arts (typically prelaw or prePhD goals, for the smartest).
Again not true at all.
If a university has a business program, it's usually higher demand and more competitive to get in.
Students are smarter on the average.
A student at IU Kelley may be smarter than the average IU student, but those students in IU Kelley are NOT on average the same level of smarts as students from the top rigor/most academic group of top private and top public high schools. Those kids do Stem, Engineering, Liberal Arts at top schools, and if they want business they go to the big names, Wharton et al.
OP asked why DCum looks down on it—that is why. And it is consistent with what the PP teacher said regarding their high school, and what the vast majority of UMC parents see in their circles.
Most of DCUM actually takes a big dump on history, English, etc humanities majors at any school…if you are generally polling overall DCUM sentiment.
There's currently a post asking how people feel about english majors, and people are overwhelmingly positive. DCUM is pretty receptive to liberal arts majors, tolerates STEM/Engineering, and takes a dump on pre-professional programs.
Anonymous
07/24/2024 17:57
Subject: Why are DCUM parents less inclined to have their child major in business?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not a major for academically smart kids.
True, outside of the top undergrad business programs (Wharton, Mit, Cornell, and about 5 others) it is not where smart kids land. Look at the smartest kids from the top private high schools and top publics: Engineering, other stem, Liberal Arts (typically prelaw or prePhD goals, for the smartest).
Again not true at all.
If a university has a business program, it's usually higher demand and more competitive to get in.
Students are smarter on the average.
A student at IU Kelley may be smarter than the average IU student, but those students in IU Kelley are NOT on average the same level of smarts as students from the top rigor/most academic group of top private and top public high schools. Those kids do Stem, Engineering, Liberal Arts at top schools, and if they want business they go to the big names, Wharton et al.
OP asked why DCum looks down on it—that is why. And it is consistent with what the PP teacher said regarding their high school, and what the vast majority of UMC parents see in their circles.
I don't think you know what you are talking about.
It's especially competitive to get into the business programs at top schools if they have business programs.
UPenn, Cornell, Georgetown, Emory, Michigan, Notre Dame, Berkeley, NYU, USC, UVA, UNC, etc.
At many of these schools, you have to competitively apply to the program after you get accepted to the university.
Thus, if they are in a business school, they are smarter on the average.
Anonymous
07/24/2024 17:43
Subject: Why are DCUM parents less inclined to have their child major in business?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not a major for academically smart kids.
True, outside of the top undergrad business programs (Wharton, Mit, Cornell, and about 5 others) it is not where smart kids land. Look at the smartest kids from the top private high schools and top publics: Engineering, other stem, Liberal Arts (typically prelaw or prePhD goals, for the smartest).
Again not true at all.
If a university has a business program, it's usually higher demand and more competitive to get in.
Students are smarter on the average.
A student at IU Kelley may be smarter than the average IU student, but those students in IU Kelley are NOT on average the same level of smarts as students from the top rigor/most academic group of top private and top public high schools. Those kids do Stem, Engineering, Liberal Arts at top schools, and if they want business they go to the big names, Wharton et al.
OP asked why DCum looks down on it—that is why. And it is consistent with what the PP teacher said regarding their high school, and what the vast majority of UMC parents see in their circles.
Most of DCUM actually takes a big dump on history, English, etc humanities majors at any school…if you are generally polling overall DCUM sentiment.
Anonymous
07/24/2024 17:41
Subject: Why are DCUM parents less inclined to have their child major in business?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not a major for academically smart kids.
True, outside of the top undergrad business programs (Wharton, Mit, Cornell, and about 5 others) it is not where smart kids land. Look at the smartest kids from the top private high schools and top publics: Engineering, other stem, Liberal Arts (typically prelaw or prePhD goals, for the smartest).
Again not true at all.
If a university has a business program, it's usually higher demand and more competitive to get in.
Students are smarter on the average.
A student at IU Kelley may be smarter than the average IU student, but those students in IU Kelley are NOT on average the same level of smarts as students from the top rigor/most academic group of top private and top public high schools. Those kids do Stem, Engineering, Liberal Arts at top schools, and if they want business they go to the big names, Wharton et al.
OP asked why DCum looks down on it—that is why. And it is consistent with what the PP teacher said regarding their high school, and what the vast majority of UMC parents see in their circles.
You are referencing a data set that is minuscule…there are 3000 colleges and only a tiny percent of all kids even attend the top 100 schools.
I guarantee you there are plenty of in-state Indiana kids just as you describe attending Kelley and also similarly smart kids in Chicago and other Midwest areas also attending Kelley. It’s a top 10 business program.
I know three DMV kids at Kelley and two work for Chicago IBanks and one works for a large Midwest-based mutual fund company.
BTW, many liberal arts majors aren’t particularly rigorous and it’s laughable that you believe that to be true.
Anonymous
07/24/2024 17:09
Subject: Why are DCUM parents less inclined to have their child major in business?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not a major for academically smart kids.
True, outside of the top undergrad business programs (Wharton, Mit, Cornell, and about 5 others) it is not where smart kids land. Look at the smartest kids from the top private high schools and top publics: Engineering, other stem, Liberal Arts (typically prelaw or prePhD goals, for the smartest).
What is your definition of "smart kids?" Like what percent?
The 98-99th %ile type kids: correlates to the top 15-25% of most private schools, the top 5-10% of your average suburban public, the top third of a top boarding school.
The 99th percentile in what? Reading, writing , arithmetic?
Anonymous
07/24/2024 16:22
Subject: Why are DCUM parents less inclined to have their child major in business?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not a major for academically smart kids.
True, outside of the top undergrad business programs (Wharton, Mit, Cornell, and about 5 others) it is not where smart kids land. Look at the smartest kids from the top private high schools and top publics: Engineering, other stem, Liberal Arts (typically prelaw or prePhD goals, for the smartest).
What is your definition of "smart kids?" Like what percent?
The 98-99th %ile type kids: correlates to the top 15-25% of most private schools, the top 5-10% of your average suburban public, the top third of a top boarding school.
Anonymous
07/24/2024 16:15
Subject: Why are DCUM parents less inclined to have their child major in business?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not a major for academically smart kids.
True, outside of the top undergrad business programs (Wharton, Mit, Cornell, and about 5 others) it is not where smart kids land. Look at the smartest kids from the top private high schools and top publics: Engineering, other stem, Liberal Arts (typically prelaw or prePhD goals, for the smartest).
Again not true at all.
If a university has a business program, it's usually higher demand and more competitive to get in.
Students are smarter on the average.
A student at IU Kelley may be smarter than the average IU student, but those students in IU Kelley are NOT on average the same level of smarts as students from the top rigor/most academic group of top private and top public high schools. Those kids do Stem, Engineering, Liberal Arts at top schools, and if they want business they go to the big names, Wharton et al.
OP asked why DCum looks down on it—that is why. And it is consistent with what the PP teacher said regarding their high school, and what the vast majority of UMC parents see in their circles.
Anonymous
07/24/2024 16:08
Subject: Why are DCUM parents less inclined to have their child major in business?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not a major for academically smart kids.
+1
I’m a high school teacher and talk to and write recs for 100+ kids every year. The kids who are decided on Business as an undergrad major are not the academically smart kids. Also, if the 20 years of evidence I have in this area means anything here, no, it is not a guarantee of a high paying job.
Thank you, interesting but not really surprising.
Anonymous
07/24/2024 15:24
Subject: Why are DCUM parents less inclined to have their child major in business?
Anonymous wrote:You would have us believe that undergraduate business and MBA curricula are completely different animals?
People get MBA's when they're established and want to expand their network, few MBAs are worth it.
Anonymous
07/24/2024 15:16
Subject: Why are DCUM parents less inclined to have their child major in business?
You would have us believe that undergraduate business and MBA curricula are completely different animals?
Anonymous
07/24/2024 14:43
Subject: Re:Why are DCUM parents less inclined to have their child major in business?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many CEO’ s have a STEM background from undergrad.
And most of them also have an MBA...hmmm, why is that?
No one here is trashing MBAs. They're faulting undergrad business.
Anonymous
07/24/2024 14:30
Subject: Re:Why are DCUM parents less inclined to have their child major in business?
Anonymous wrote:Many CEO’ s have a STEM background from undergrad.
And most of them also have an MBA...hmmm, why is that?
Anonymous
07/24/2024 14:16
Subject: Re:Why are DCUM parents less inclined to have their child major in business?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just have found the business majors in my life to be incredibly...money-driven in the most charitable way I'd put it. They bemoaned having to take anything creative or abstract or...beneficial to know as a human being. Even peers in econ would gladly take a language class or go into classes they had never tried before, but the business majors always seemed to into money to realize that they'll be 30, burnt out, and tired of the perpetual "grind" and won't have any time to use the money they hoard after their imaginary Investment Banking career.
It's a shallow reading, but I rarely find a business major with interests beyond their work.
Business majors are generally douches and intellectually challenged. You can be hugely successful in business if you major in something more rigorous. Many CEO’ s have a STEM background from undergrad.
Sure…other than the 50% that have undergraduate business degrees which makes that the most popular CEO discipline by far.
Anonymous
07/24/2024 13:52
Subject: Re:Why are DCUM parents less inclined to have their child major in business?
Anonymous wrote:I just have found the business majors in my life to be incredibly...money-driven in the most charitable way I'd put it. They bemoaned having to take anything creative or abstract or...beneficial to know as a human being. Even peers in econ would gladly take a language class or go into classes they had never tried before, but the business majors always seemed to into money to realize that they'll be 30, burnt out, and tired of the perpetual "grind" and won't have any time to use the money they hoard after their imaginary Investment Banking career.
It's a shallow reading, but I rarely find a business major with interests beyond their work.
Business majors are generally douches and intellectually challenged. You can be hugely successful in business if you major in something more rigorous. Many CEO’ s have a STEM background from undergrad.
Anonymous
07/24/2024 13:47
Subject: Why are DCUM parents less inclined to have their child major in business?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not a major for academically smart kids.
True, outside of the top undergrad business programs (Wharton, Mit, Cornell, and about 5 others) it is not where smart kids land. Look at the smartest kids from the top private high schools and top publics: Engineering, other stem, Liberal Arts (typically prelaw or prePhD goals, for the smartest).
What is your definition of "smart kids?" Like what percent?