Anonymous
Post 07/18/2024 08:09     Subject: Crunchy MAGA: The New Right of the 2020s.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dems brought it on themselves, Biden is played like a fiddle by the far left. Too many handouts to random people like fake asylum seekers and irresponsible parents; overstepping with Covid restrictions;a ridiculous approach to trans issues, you name it.
I use some of the handouts so I’ll vote dem mostly (unless it’s super local) but it’s frankly ridiculous. No normal person wants to subsidize all these people.


This!! It’s all moved to a direction where I feel like we are subsidizing so much. It’s as if no one should be responsible for taking care of themselves and their own kids anymore. Just sit back, vote Dem, and Uncle Joe will take care of it.


The problem is our broken system which is the fault of both sides. It allows people to show up at the border and ask for asylum, and we can't turn them away without due process and adjudication. Meanwhile our laws also say asylum seekers can't work. There were bipartisan proposals to start fixing that but Trump had the MAGA Republicans controlling the House shut it down. You can't just blindly blame Joe without acknowledging the bigger picture and that Republicans have a huge hand in it. And meanwhile you also can't just gesture wildly at Trump's agenda as the answer because it's just a blunt-force mass-deportation instruments that would cause tremendous labor shortages, consumer cost increases and inflation and cause damage to the economy rather than offering a more workable and needed solution like expanding worker visas. If you're mad about the whole thing then you shouldn't be voting for anyone in either party because they are BOTH at fault.


We are subsizing more than ever for all our citizens too.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2024 08:05     Subject: Crunchy MAGA: The New Right of the 2020s.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dems brought it on themselves, Biden is played like a fiddle by the far left. Too many handouts to random people like fake asylum seekers and irresponsible parents; overstepping with Covid restrictions;a ridiculous approach to trans issues, you name it.
I use some of the handouts so I’ll vote dem mostly (unless it’s super local) but it’s frankly ridiculous. No normal person wants to subsidize all these people.


This!! It’s all moved to a direction where I feel like we are subsidizing so much. It’s as if no one should be responsible for taking care of themselves and their own kids anymore. Just sit back, vote Dem, and Uncle Joe will take care of it.


The problem is our broken system which is the fault of both sides. It allows people to show up at the border and ask for asylum, and we can't turn them away without due process and adjudication. Meanwhile our laws also say asylum seekers can't work. There were bipartisan proposals to start fixing that but Trump had the MAGA Republicans controlling the House shut it down. You can't just blindly blame Joe without acknowledging the bigger picture and that Republicans have a huge hand in it. And meanwhile you also can't just gesture wildly at Trump's agenda as the answer because it's just a blunt-force mass-deportation instruments that would cause tremendous labor shortages, consumer cost increases and inflation and cause damage to the economy rather than offering a more workable and needed solution like expanding worker visas. If you're mad about the whole thing then you shouldn't be voting for anyone in either party because they are BOTH at fault.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2024 07:56     Subject: Crunchy MAGA: The New Right of the 2020s.
Anonymous wrote:Dems brought it on themselves, Biden is played like a fiddle by the far left. Too many handouts to random people like fake asylum seekers and irresponsible parents; overstepping with Covid restrictions;a ridiculous approach to trans issues, you name it.
I use some of the handouts so I’ll vote dem mostly (unless it’s super local) but it’s frankly ridiculous. No normal person wants to subsidize all these people.


This!! It’s all moved to a direction where I feel like we are subsidizing so much. It’s as if no one should be responsible for taking care of themselves and their own kids anymore. Just sit back, vote Dem, and Uncle Joe will take care of it.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2024 07:42     Subject: Re:Crunchy MAGA: The New Right of the 2020s.
Anonymous wrote:
Plus, she always had a view that poor people aren't "owed" anything. If you can't afford to live in her upscale beach community, then too bad, don't expect government subsidized housing or any other kind of handout. But voluntary generosity and kindness are virtues.


Interesting narrative - thanks for sharing. Totally agree with above view.


Agree. I don’t appreciate my hard earned money being taken then allocated as the government sees fit- at least not beyond what is necessary to keep up infrastructure and safety.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2024 07:19     Subject: Crunchy MAGA: The New Right of the 2020s.
Anonymous wrote:Welp, looks like all the propaganda bots on here will be voting Trump in November.

Actual sentient, thinking humans will not be.


That's right. Everyone who disagrees with you is a bot.

Sorry OP -- would have enjoyed having a conversation with you about this political shift. There are a lot of us.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2024 07:16     Subject: Re:Crunchy MAGA: The New Right of the 2020s.
Clearly you didn’t watch the 2020 debates. Dems were constantly talking about policy, but it’s not as sexy as a sound bite. Can you please explain how so many people voted for Trump in 2020 when there was NO GOP platform. They literally voted for nothing. So, you can’t now claim you want policy. GMAFB. Always moving the goalposts.


And there is no policy platform now! RNC is nothing but an evangelical's wet dream.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2024 07:14     Subject: Crunchy MAGA: The New Right of the 2020s.
Anonymous wrote:It sounds like your friend has lots in common with disillusioned Democrats like myself. We are far left progressive but are tired of the failures and empty promises of the Dem Party .

Much like the Reagan Democrats, the Trump Democrats are real. We are here and we are anti war and pro American labor not for cheap illegal migrant exploitation/labor or outsourcing . Donald Trump is a one man walking and talking labor Union and anti war activist for America and that’s just enough for some of us progressives to make him better than Biden or Hillary


I feel the same way about the democrats (used to be a very enthusiastic dem voter) but I just can’t get behind Trump. I don’t actually believe he has any real core beliefs, and will simply say what gets him the most adulation at any time. I’ll probably vote green again. I’m in Maryland, so my presidential vote doesn’t make any difference.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2024 04:10     Subject: Crunchy MAGA: The New Right of the 2020s.
Dems brought it on themselves, Biden is played like a fiddle by the far left. Too many handouts to random people like fake asylum seekers and irresponsible parents; overstepping with Covid restrictions;a ridiculous approach to trans issues, you name it.
I use some of the handouts so I’ll vote dem mostly (unless it’s super local) but it’s frankly ridiculous. No normal person wants to subsidize all these people.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2024 02:50     Subject: Crunchy MAGA: The New Right of the 2020s.
There are people who think that the government has room for improvement, but ultimately does more good than harm, and that the little individual needs a big collective organization to protect them from evil and powerful corporations or from diseases and disasters that come from the natural world.

There are people who think the government does more damage through ill-considered policies, immoral corruption and collusion with big business, or inadvertent bumbling, and the smaller and less intrusive that government is, the better off the individual is.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2024 02:44     Subject: Re:Crunchy MAGA: The New Right of the 2020s.
Anonymous wrote: I know that not all Trump supporters are mouth-breathing confederate flag-waving gun-toting obese rednecks in coal-rolling pickuptrucks who eat red meat all day.

And I know you know that the left is not all Biden-worshipping "HOA Karen" types wearing pink pussyhats all day, nor are we all overweight screeching genderqueer pink-haired, tattooed, septum-pierced, crybabies wearing masks alone in the car.


Just clipping this to say I am amused and enjoy your descriptive caricatures of each candidate's supporters, OP. You made me laugh, which is always appreciated.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2024 01:14     Subject: Crunchy MAGA: The New Right of the 2020s.
Your friend is like me, right down to saving dragonflies and picking up trash at the beach.

I haven’t read the replies but you forgot raw milk in your OP. People are allowed to shoot heroin in the open in some of our blue cities but in most parts of the country we’re not legally allowed to buy milk that comes directly from a cow. It’s insanity.

Another point is that Biden finally said in an interview before he was elected that he did NOT believe in vaccine mandates. And then in just a couple months he had mandated it for tons of people (including anyone working for a company that does government projects, even if you were not working on those projects directly). People don’t forget or forgive stuff like that.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2024 01:09     Subject: Re:Crunchy MAGA: The New Right of the 2020s.
This dichotomy is very common in the "wellness" industry, which overlaps a lot with the MLM crowd. Generally not well educated but do a lot "my own research".
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2024 00:50     Subject: Crunchy MAGA: The New Right of the 2020s.
This is a sizable population group. I live in California and it’s quite common.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2024 00:06     Subject: Crunchy MAGA: The New Right of the 2020s.
Anonymous wrote:You referenced Jimmy Dore OP and I must say I am surprised at the right /pro Trump turn he’s taken given he was a Bernie Bro but I still like his YouTube show. His mockery of CNN and MSNBC is really good


I remember Dore in the TYT days and he'd go off on straight up communist rants - I thought he was a wackjob then and he's still a total wackjob now.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2024 00:05     Subject: Crunchy MAGA: The New Right of the 2020s.
Anonymous wrote:I pretty much identify just like your friend, OP.

Used to be a democrat when I was younger, became a cynical disaffected independent… still an independent but supported Trump in 2020 after not voting for either in 2016.

The covid pandemic and the BLM lawlessness and how both were obviously being used to derail what had been a very successful economy in the name of defeating Trump is what finally drive me away from democrats in disgust.


There’s lots of us out here. We saw right through it. And now they’re trying to assassinate him.


That successful economy was 100% Obama's, and Trump crashed it. It's turned back around since Biden took office.