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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know JD Vance personally, but I read his book.

He grew up outside of an organized church. His father was a fundamentalist Christian. I can see why he settled on becoming Catholic once he was old enough to set his own path.

It’s not a political choice. It’s personal. If it wasn’t, he wouldn’t have been Confirmed.

I find it odd people think he converted to Catholicism for political reasons. I can't think of one thing a politician would gain by being a Catholic convert.

JFK was Catholic. When Vance runs for president in 2028, he can draw in the minds of Americans a picture that he is the next JFK.

Not now that he killed the Pope he can’t.

Imagine being so awful and yet so powerful that the Pope decides he needs to fit you in on his last full day on the planet, the day before Easter.

And a Pope who knows he is dying.

His doctors told him that they were sending him home to die, except that if he stayed in his room resting for months, he might make it. He knew he didn't want to do that.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know JD Vance personally, but I read his book.

He grew up outside of an organized church. His father was a fundamentalist Christian. I can see why he settled on becoming Catholic once he was old enough to set his own path.

It’s not a political choice. It’s personal. If it wasn’t, he wouldn’t have been Confirmed.

I find it odd people think he converted to Catholicism for political reasons. I can't think of one thing a politician would gain by being a Catholic convert.

JFK was Catholic. When Vance runs for president in 2028, he can draw in the minds of Americans a picture that he is the next JFK.

Not now that he killed the Pope he can’t.

Imagine being so awful and yet so powerful that the Pope decides he needs to fit you in on his last full day on the planet, the day before Easter.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know JD Vance personally, but I read his book.

He grew up outside of an organized church. His father was a fundamentalist Christian. I can see why he settled on becoming Catholic once he was old enough to set his own path.

It’s not a political choice. It’s personal. If it wasn’t, he wouldn’t have been Confirmed.

I find it odd people think he converted to Catholicism for political reasons. I can't think of one thing a politician would gain by being a Catholic convert.

JFK was Catholic. When Vance runs for president in 2028, he can draw in the minds of Americans a picture that he is the next JFK.

Not now that he killed the Pope he can’t.

There are a lot of Catholics in the Senate. I believe this year a few more Da than Rs, but it is pretty close.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know JD Vance personally, but I read his book.

He grew up outside of an organized church. His father was a fundamentalist Christian. I can see why he settled on becoming Catholic once he was old enough to set his own path.

It’s not a political choice. It’s personal. If it wasn’t, he wouldn’t have been Confirmed.

I find it odd people think he converted to Catholicism for political reasons. I can't think of one thing a politician would gain by being a Catholic convert.

JFK was Catholic. When Vance runs for president in 2028, he can draw in the minds of Americans a picture that he is the next JFK.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know JD Vance personally, but I read his book.

He grew up outside of an organized church. His father was a fundamentalist Christian. I can see why he settled on becoming Catholic once he was old enough to set his own path.

It’s not a political choice. It’s personal. If it wasn’t, he wouldn’t have been Confirmed.

I find it odd people think he converted to Catholicism for political reasons. I can't think of one thing a politician would gain by being a Catholic convert.

I don't know what anyone would gain by converting to any religion.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know JD Vance personally, but I read his book.

He grew up outside of an organized church. His father was a fundamentalist Christian. I can see why he settled on becoming Catholic once he was old enough to set his own path.

It’s not a political choice. It’s personal. If it wasn’t, he wouldn’t have been Confirmed.

OMG this is gobbleygook.

His book has already been proven unfactual.

He is not a Catholic or religious you fool.

He knows approximately 27% of this country is Catholic it's about stupid Americans voting religion and not reality.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know JD Vance personally, but I read his book.

He grew up outside of an organized church. His father was a fundamentalist Christian. I can see why he settled on becoming Catholic once he was old enough to set his own path.

It’s not a political choice. It’s personal. If it wasn’t, he wouldn’t have been Confirmed.

I find it odd people think he converted to Catholicism for political reasons. I can't think of one thing a politician would gain by being a Catholic convert.

I don’t know JD Vance personally, but I read his book.

He grew up outside of an organized church. His father was a fundamentalist Christian. I can see why he settled on becoming Catholic once he was old enough to set his own path.

It’s not a political choice. It’s personal. If it wasn’t, he wouldn’t have been Confirmed.

As a lapsed Catholic now raising my own kids, I think about the reasons I left the church—hearing homilies about how girls should not aspire to anything other than motherhood, the concept that you could sin just by thinking about sex, and obviously the horrendous abuse scandals that affected people I knew personally—and I know it was the right thing to do. The one thing that gnaws at me is the emphasis on service. I did volunteer work of some kind on a weekly basis from age 10 through college graduation. I have found ways to teach my kids to give their time to others, but it’s not a part of their lives like it was when I was in Catholic school.

I was a high school debate champion and guys like JD Vance were a dime a dozen. “Intellectual” Catholics with little feel for the moral underpinnings of it all, and with unbridled ambition to use their intelligence and smooth talk to get to the top in law and conservative politics. More smart young people are liberal—being a brainy conservative is a savvy way to get ahead.

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Anonymous wrote:He seems like a sort of sad figure in that there was a lot missing in his life growing up and he’s been looking for ways to fill that hole. He does seem like an opportunist so I’m not confident that he didn’t choose conversion in part due to the political advantage, but evangelicalism might have served him better there. At any rate, I find the Trunp policies and attitudes/rhetoric to be entirely antithetical to Catholic teaching,so I can’t be impressed by the faith of any Catholic that hitches his wagon to Trump.

Of all the things about the Catholic Church that I find most disappointing, the Catholic support of Trump is near the top of the list. If the majority of the faithful are voting for this, I think that the Church is failing to effectively communicate Jesus’s message. I find it really depressing. WWJD? Not be anywhere near Trump, that’s for sure.

52% of Catholics voted for Biden in the last election. I think that's still depressingly low, but your statement that I bolded is false.

I will say that in my experience, there are many converts to Catholicism who are attracted to what they see as a structure and an emphasis on rules, who can be far more rigid and conservative than the majority of cradle Catholics. They tend to bring the worst parts of Evangelism with them when they join the church, and it's a bad combination.

I always think of this tweet: https://x.com/agraybee/status/1537869930242113536

Every lifelong Catholic I've ever met is like "I think we're supposed to give this food to poor people" and every adult convert is like "the Archon of Constantinople's epistle on the Pentacostine rites of the eucharist clearly states women shouldn't have driver's licenses."

This x 1000

Anonymous wrote:It probably won't last. He'll move on it he sees an advantage somewhere else or if his career stalls and he hss no reason for it. It's strictly for optics and connections.

Exactly. He is one of the people currently arguing that empathy is bad. He says he will "make up stories" to get media attention even if those lies hurt people. He is an awful, repugnant man and I don't think he really believes in anything but himself. Just like Trump.

Anonymous wrote:there's a lot of people who convert from the military too. there's something to the young/male/very conservative portion of the church. I try to ignore it.

Some people use Catholicism as permanent scaffolding for their lives. These are people who desperately need rules and hierarchy like that which they found in the military. It's not my kind of Catholicism. Historically, it's been bad form to dismiss someone's conversion story, but tbh these converts are lame. Jesus Christ wasn't about rules and hierarchy.

there's a lot of people who convert from the military too. there's something to the young/male/very conservative portion of the church. I try to ignore it.

If I picked up a hitchhiker and then he started attacking me, I would do my damndest to throw him out of the car.

JD Vance, the first Catholic convert elected to the vice presidency, has provoked an extraordinary string of conflicts within the church he joined six years ago.
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