Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But adults can use whatever technology is available to them to do their jobs. Kids in public school aren’t able to do that. It’s another one of the massive issues with our public school systems. They are still operating like it is 1985.
Some privates recognize this and don’t dig in like it’s three decades ago. Give the kids the accommodations and teach them to be successful today.

Then that technology should be availabile to all the kids, not just a subset.

100 percent agree and I wrote this comment. Modern technology should be available to all kids and the kids that need more can use it and if you don’t need it, then do what works for you. Are you coming from the pov that accommodations somehow penalize NT kids?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I dunno about you all but test taking is not one of my regular job duties. Everyone has different strengths. Not being able to finish a test quickly is not a death knell for success in the workplace. The issues that drive the need for the accommodation are what might get in the way, and that will depend on the specific job.

No sh*t. But many (most) jobs require you to prioritize work and complete it in a timely manner to the standards required by your boss. People with “adult ADHD” are not going to be able to get out of these requirements for the pace & accuracy of their work on the basis of their disability.

This is completely untrue.

I work in IT and almost everybody is ADHD or ASD.

We have project managers to keep you on task and we adjust schedules when things are late.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I dunno about you all but test taking is not one of my regular job duties. Everyone has different strengths. Not being able to finish a test quickly is not a death knell for success in the workplace. The issues that drive the need for the accommodation are what might get in the way, and that will depend on the specific job.

My job doesn't include tests but frequently involves being able to produce work (data analysis or written narrative or similar) on very tight deadlines under sometimes stressful conditions (an unhappy client or needing to correct someone else's error) with few or no errors. Someone who spent their whole life getting extra time for all their tests and assignments would really struggle in my job.

Again, sounds like we agree. I actually do data analysis as well but work in an environment where there are rarely real deadlines. Every job is different. And in most cases test taking is actually pretty different from what is required in a real world job.

It’s really not though. And I say this as the mom of a kid who tests poorly. Timed tests measure a specific type of intelligence and ability that absolutely correlated to many professional job requirements. Testing well on its own isn’t enough, but it definitely relates to job duties - especially for the kinds of elite jobs you assume the elite private school kids are gunning for.

I haven't said anything about my assumptions about "elite private school kids" and what jobs they want. I think you may be referring to the kinds of jobs their parents want them to have? I attended an "elite private school" for a time and the jobs my classmates from that school actually have now run the gamut. If anything, my public school classmates have more demanding jobs.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I dunno about you all but test taking is not one of my regular job duties. Everyone has different strengths. Not being able to finish a test quickly is not a death knell for success in the workplace. The issues that drive the need for the accommodation are what might get in the way, and that will depend on the specific job.

My job doesn't include tests but frequently involves being able to produce work (data analysis or written narrative or similar) on very tight deadlines under sometimes stressful conditions (an unhappy client or needing to correct someone else's error) with few or no errors. Someone who spent their whole life getting extra time for all their tests and assignments would really struggle in my job.

Again, sounds like we agree. I actually do data analysis as well but work in an environment where there are rarely real deadlines. Every job is different. And in most cases test taking is actually pretty different from what is required in a real world job.

It’s really not though. And I say this as the mom of a kid who tests poorly. Timed tests measure a specific type of intelligence and ability that absolutely correlated to many professional job requirements. Testing well on its own isn’t enough, but it definitely relates to job duties - especially for the kinds of elite jobs you assume the elite private school kids are gunning for.

Anonymous wrote:Workplaces are happy to provide accommodations that improve their business outcomes. If they can find someone to do the job just as well without them, it’s an unnecessary cost. But if the cost of the accommodation is low and the work product is good, I think they’re pretty likely to get it.

Right but "please give me double the time to complete all my work" is pretty much never going to be profitable or good for business.

Anonymous wrote:But adults can use whatever technology is available to them to do their jobs. Kids in public school aren’t able to do that. It’s another one of the massive issues with our public school systems. They are still operating like it is 1985.
Some privates recognize this and don’t dig in like it’s three decades ago. Give the kids the accommodations and teach them to be successful today.

Then that technology should be availabile to all the kids, not just a subset.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I dunno about you all but test taking is not one of my regular job duties. Everyone has different strengths. Not being able to finish a test quickly is not a death knell for success in the workplace. The issues that drive the need for the accommodation are what might get in the way, and that will depend on the specific job.

My job doesn't include tests but frequently involves being able to produce work (data analysis or written narrative or similar) on very tight deadlines under sometimes stressful conditions (an unhappy client or needing to correct someone else's error) with few or no errors. Someone who spent their whole life getting extra time for all their tests and assignments would really struggle in my job.

Again, sounds like we agree. I actually do data analysis as well but work in an environment where there are rarely real deadlines. Every job is different. And in most cases test taking is actually pretty different from what is required in a real world job.

Sometimes yes and sometimes no. There are actually a lot of jobs that require people to work accurately and efficiently under time pressure. People who do well on tests often do well in demanding industries where deadlines are common.

If tests really didn't matter at all then we should give all the kids double the time.

Say we got rid of timed tests altogether with the argument that the workplace doesn't really require that skill. I think sometimes it does but fine. Say we replace it with open book untimed tests -- students have a whole week and whatever resources they want to complete their demonstration of knowledge or mastery of concepts or whatever.

We would still have families saying "oh no this isn't fair to my kid for XYZ reason and we need a special accommodation."

It's not really about the test. It's about parents who are unwilling to accept that their child might simply not be as skilled or talented or hard working as other students and keep looking for ways to disguise this truth from even themselves.

Workplaces are happy to provide accommodations that improve their business outcomes. If they can find someone to do the job just as well without them, it’s an unnecessary cost. But if the cost of the accommodation is low and the work product is good, I think they’re pretty likely to get it.

Adults get jobs they can do.

School is like if we made every single person work at Berkshire Hathaway

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I dunno about you all but test taking is not one of my regular job duties. Everyone has different strengths. Not being able to finish a test quickly is not a death knell for success in the workplace. The issues that drive the need for the accommodation are what might get in the way, and that will depend on the specific job.

My job doesn't include tests but frequently involves being able to produce work (data analysis or written narrative or similar) on very tight deadlines under sometimes stressful conditions (an unhappy client or needing to correct someone else's error) with few or no errors. Someone who spent their whole life getting extra time for all their tests and assignments would really struggle in my job.

Again, sounds like we agree. I actually do data analysis as well but work in an environment where there are rarely real deadlines. Every job is different. And in most cases test taking is actually pretty different from what is required in a real world job.

Anonymous wrote:I dunno about you all but test taking is not one of my regular job duties. Everyone has different strengths. Not being able to finish a test quickly is not a death knell for success in the workplace. The issues that drive the need for the accommodation are what might get in the way, and that will depend on the specific job.

My job doesn't include tests but frequently involves being able to produce work (data analysis or written narrative or similar) on very tight deadlines under sometimes stressful conditions (an unhappy client or needing to correct someone else's error) with few or no errors. Someone who spent their whole life getting extra time for all their tests and assignments would really struggle in my job.

But adults can use whatever technology is available to them to do their jobs. Kids in public school aren’t able to do that. It’s another one of the massive issues with our public school systems. They are still operating like it is 1985.
Some privates recognize this and don’t dig in like it’s three decades ago. Give the kids the accommodations and teach them to be successful today.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I dunno about you all but test taking is not one of my regular job duties. Everyone has different strengths. Not being able to finish a test quickly is not a death knell for success in the workplace. The issues that drive the need for the accommodation are what might get in the way, and that will depend on the specific job.

No sh*t. But many (most) jobs require you to prioritize work and complete it in a timely manner to the standards required by your boss. People with “adult ADHD” are not going to be able to get out of these requirements for the pace & accuracy of their work on the basis of their disability.

Okay? It sounds like we agree.

Anonymous wrote:I dunno about you all but test taking is not one of my regular job duties. Everyone has different strengths. Not being able to finish a test quickly is not a death knell for success in the workplace. The issues that drive the need for the accommodation are what might get in the way, and that will depend on the specific job.

No sh*t. But many (most) jobs require you to prioritize work and complete it in a timely manner to the standards required by your boss. People with “adult ADHD” are not going to be able to get out of these requirements for the pace & accuracy of their work on the basis of their disability.

I dunno about you all but test taking is not one of my regular job duties. Everyone has different strengths. Not being able to finish a test quickly is not a death knell for success in the workplace. The issues that drive the need for the accommodation are what might get in the way, and that will depend on the specific job.