Anonymous wrote:Every single person I knew at Brown. who married before 30, is divorced.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the fact that the op's "sample"of people are all married in their late 20s makes for a very narrow group she is referring to. Maybe 10 people tops.

Marriage trends among wealthy and/or smart kids are changing. Sophia Ritchie was 24 when she got married last year.

1 person does not equal a trend

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Anonymous wrote:My anecdotal observations of the class of 2002 at an above average prep school in a mid tier city with a large and strong tradition of private schools. Out of 80 graduates:

Of the top 5 students, who all went to elite colleges, three are doing extremely well. One is a senior tech guru living in Burlingame, one is a full professor with tenure at a major university, one is a highly placed finance executive. One went to medical school and is married to a surgeon.

However, the unofficial #1 is a permanent adjunct / tutor / fellow despite going to Harvard.

Of the next 15 or so who rounded out the top 25% of the class, I'd say around 12 are solidly upper middle class, lawyers and doctors and senior corporate executives. Most have kids in private schools or live in top ranked public districts. All went to excellent colleges ranging from Ivies to places like WUSTL or Bates. I suppose you would call this the grinder cohort.

The bottom 75% is all over the map. Some of the unquestionably bottom 25% are doing *extremely* well financially, major careers in sales and insurance or building up their family businesses. One became a very successful restauranter with several restaurants. For the bottom 75% there is *no pattern* between where they went to college and where they ended up life.

Granted, everyone went to college save one or two who failed out quickly. And a decent percentage of kids who started out in a privileged position in life have definitely, unquestionably, regressed socio-economically.

This is hilarious. Nice try, PP.

A full professor at 27-28? Very, very few people become full professors before age 40. Most people haven't finished their PhD by 27-28, let alone then go through the 6 year tenure process to associate and then minimum of several year process to full.

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Anonymous wrote:The most successful young adults who are now 27 or 28 years old were the top students in their high school class, no matter where they went to undergrad. From Ivies to tiny liberal arts college to fairly regional public universities, they all zoomed through undergrad, sometimes in three years, many went to grad or professional school, and they all have great careers. It seems all of them are married.

The handful of middle of the pack students and student-athletes who surprised everyone when they got into elite T20s regressed to their mean and have totally normal careers, at best.

It seems smart ambitious highly-motivated teens become smart ambitious highly-motivated adults. And if your teen is not those things, Tiger Mom'ing them into an elite college probably isn't going to change anything about their life and professional trajectory.

All of them are married at 27? Do you live in the deep south or Pakistan?

Most high school class of 2014 are age 28 right now. And yes, high value smart couples are marrying in their early and mid 20s. We know a Yale '23 & Harvard '23 couple who got married last fall.

You know one couple so yep, “everyone” must be doing it!

Anonymous wrote:There’s some truth to what OP is saying but I don’t think it’s the whole picture. I know several guys who were middle of the road students, went to their jn state option or a lesser SLAC but found their drive or passion in college, got great grad degrees, and have very impressive careers in really interesting fields.

I also know at least one young person who was a top kid in HS but has now rejected the rat race and chosen basically a blue collar career.

Also, 28 is not the end of the story. I was a top student who went to a top college and at 28 I was finished a top grad program with a very prestigious fellowship waiting for me. At 50, I am widlly unimpressive, largely because I am very risk averse so never wanted to take big swings with career choice.

I think there’s a lot of things that go into all of this.

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Anonymous wrote:The most successful young adults who are now 27 or 28 years old were the top students in their high school class, no matter where they went to undergrad. From Ivies to tiny liberal arts college to fairly regional public universities, they all zoomed through undergrad, sometimes in three years, many went to grad or professional school, and they all have great careers. It seems all of them are married.

The handful of middle of the pack students and student-athletes who surprised everyone when they got into elite T20s regressed to their mean and have totally normal careers, at best.

It seems smart ambitious highly-motivated teens become smart ambitious highly-motivated adults. And if your teen is not those things, Tiger Mom'ing them into an elite college probably isn't going to change anything about their life and professional trajectory.

All of them are married at 27? Do you live in the deep south or Pakistan?

lol
So true. The OP is a backwards provincial mom stuck on this board with grown and flown children….
Hmmm. What does that tell you.

The upper classes all over the US actually do marry in their mid to late 20s, statistically. It the middle and UMC that marry in their early to mid 30s. The LC marry young and multiple times.

Ummm. Try again. And this tells us you are an immigrant.

DP. My son’s roommate went to a top law school, and through him my son became friends with a bunch of his classmates. This year they all graduated, and the summer and fall it’s a wedding after a wedding. The guys are 26-28, mostly white US born, they’ve been with their girlfriends for a couple of years.

I agree. Most of our new highers in top 5 corporate company in the world have MS degrees and are married in their laye 20s. We get most of then from large State schools or the global equivalents, some Ivy schools (not many).

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Right, 2002 was 18 years ago! Those graduates would be about 40 now, not 27.

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Anonymous wrote:The most successful young adults who are now 27 or 28 years old were the top students in their high school class, no matter where they went to undergrad. From Ivies to tiny liberal arts college to fairly regional public universities, they all zoomed through undergrad, sometimes in three years, many went to grad or professional school, and they all have great careers. It seems all of them are married.

The handful of middle of the pack students and student-athletes who surprised everyone when they got into elite T20s regressed to their mean and have totally normal careers, at best.

It seems smart ambitious highly-motivated teens become smart ambitious highly-motivated adults. And if your teen is not those things, Tiger Mom'ing them into an elite college probably isn't going to change anything about their life and professional trajectory.

All of them are married at 27? Do you live in the deep south or Pakistan?

lol
So true. The OP is a backwards provincial mom stuck on this board with grown and flown children….
Hmmm. What does that tell you.

The upper classes all over the US actually do marry in their mid to late 20s, statistically. It the middle and UMC that marry in their early to mid 30s. The LC marry young and multiple times.

Ummm. Try again. And this tells us you are an immigrant.

DP. My son’s roommate went to a top law school, and through him my son became friends with a bunch of his classmates. This year they all graduated, and the summer and fall it’s a wedding after a wedding. The guys are 26-28, mostly white US born, they’ve been with their girlfriends for a couple of years.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the fact that the op's "sample"of people are all married in their late 20s makes for a very narrow group she is referring to. Maybe 10 people tops.

Marriage trends among wealthy and/or smart kids are changing. Sophia Ritchie was 24 when she got married last year.

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Anonymous wrote:My anecdotal observations of the class of 2002 at an above average prep school in a mid tier city with a large and strong tradition of private schools. Out of 80 graduates:

Of the top 5 students, who all went to elite colleges, three are doing extremely well. One is a senior tech guru living in Burlingame, one is a full professor with tenure at a major university, one is a highly placed finance executive. One went to medical school and is married to a surgeon.

However, the unofficial #1 is a permanent adjunct / tutor / fellow despite going to Harvard.

Of the next 15 or so who rounded out the top 25% of the class, I'd say around 12 are solidly upper middle class, lawyers and doctors and senior corporate executives. Most have kids in private schools or live in top ranked public districts. All went to excellent colleges ranging from Ivies to places like WUSTL or Bates. I suppose you would call this the grinder cohort.

The bottom 75% is all over the map. Some of the unquestionably bottom 25% are doing *extremely* well financially, major careers in sales and insurance or building up their family businesses. One became a very successful restauranter with several restaurants. For the bottom 75% there is *no pattern* between where they went to college and where they ended up life.

Granted, everyone went to college save one or two who failed out quickly. And a decent percentage of kids who started out in a privileged position in life have definitely, unquestionably, regressed socio-economically.

This is hilarious. Nice try, PP.

A full professor at 27-28? Very, very few people become full professors before age 40. Most people haven't finished their PhD by 27-28, let alone then go through the 6 year tenure process to associate and then minimum of several year process to full.

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Anonymous wrote:The most successful Hy young adults who are now 27 or 28 years old were the top students in their high school class, no matter where they went to undergrad. From Ivies to tiny liberal arts college to fairly regional public universities, they all zoomed through undergrad, sometimes in three years, many went to grad or professional school, and they all have great careers. It seems all of them are married.

The handful of middle of the pack students and student-athletes who surprised everyone when they got into elite T20s regressed to their mean and have totally normal careers, at best.

It seems smart ambitious highly-motivated teens become smart ambitious highly-motivated adults. And if your teen is not those things, Tiger Mom'ing them into an elite college probably isn't going to change anything about their life and professional trajectory.

All of them are married at 27? Do you live in the deep south or Pakistan?

lol
So true. The OP is a backwards provincial mom stuck on this board with grown and flown children….
Hmmm. What does that tell you.

The upper classes all over the US actually do marry in their mid to late 20s, statistically. It the middle and UMC that marry in their early to mid 30s. The LC marry young and multiple times.

Asian?
South Asian?

White UC American.

No wealthy white person refers to themselves as “UC”….
It’s just not done.
Iykyk

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Anonymous wrote:The most successful young adults who are now 27 or 28 years old were the top students in their high school class, no matter where they went to undergrad. From Ivies to tiny liberal arts college to fairly regional public universities, they all zoomed through undergrad, sometimes in three years, many went to grad or professional school, and they all have great careers. It seems all of them are married.

The handful of middle of the pack students and student-athletes who surprised everyone when they got into elite T20s regressed to their mean and have totally normal careers, at best.

It seems smart ambitious highly-motivated teens become smart ambitious highly-motivated adults. And if your teen is not those things, Tiger Mom'ing them into an elite college probably isn't going to change anything about their life and professional trajectory.

Parents want their kids at elite colleges so they meet a (wealthy/ambitious) spouse. If your kid goes to Yale but returns home without a serious bf or gf, it was pointless.

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Anonymous wrote:The most successful young adults who are now 27 or 28 years old were the top students in their high school class, no matter where they went to undergrad. From Ivies to tiny liberal arts college to fairly regional public universities, they all zoomed through undergrad, sometimes in three years, many went to grad or professional school, and they all have great careers. It seems all of them are married.

The handful of middle of the pack students and student-athletes who surprised everyone when they got into elite T20s regressed to their mean and have totally normal careers, at best.

It seems smart ambitious highly-motivated teens become smart ambitious highly-motivated adults. And if your teen is not those things, Tiger Mom'ing them into an elite college probably isn't going to change anything about their life and professional trajectory.

All of them are married at 27? Do you live in the deep south or Pakistan?