Anonymous
Post 05/24/2024 00:26     Subject: Re:Arlington travel tryouts

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's what some of you fail to remember. While not everyone should aspire to be a pro, almost universally - across the board of sports - there was either a crazy parent or deranged agent of some type behind most of the stars out there. The William Sisters, Tiger Woods, Kobe Bryant, Maradona, Ball brothers. Sure, they have God-given talent, but most of the stars had some crazy behind them getting to their peak. The point is you have to advocate for your kid along the way or they're going to get roadblocked by the other bulldozer parents out there.


You are cherry picking examples to rationalize crazy behavior. Plenty of superstars have down to earth parents. Katie Ledecky comes to mind. Your kid isn’t going to be one of the greats because you as a parent advocated for them. The talent is there first and is obvious to even a casual observer. If your kid doesn’t fit that description you are deluding yourself.


Ledecky was born in 1997 to David and Mary Gen. Mary Gen is a former associate administrator and had a collegiate swimming career. She was a competitive swimmer in her teenage years and throughout college. She even qualified three times for the nationals while she was a student at the University of New Mexico.Ledecky’s father, David is an attorney who studied at Harvard and Yale. He received his B.A. from Harvard in 1982 and his Juris Doctorate from Yale Law School in 1986. He worked at the law firm of Kirkland & Ellis until 2011, when he took a leave to help coach his daughter.Ledecky’s parents put her in swimming along with her brother, Michael. He was nine and Katie six when they joined Palisades Swim Club in Maryland, according to Bleacher Report. Michael went on to swim for Harvard.“A lot of credit has to go to my parents for putting up with that, too—getting up at 4 a.m. almost every single day to take us to practice,” Michael told Bleacher Report. “At this point, they’ve kind of developed a platoon system. They’ve got it down to a science now.

So...national level swimming mother, father who walked away from law practice to coach daughter, and up at 4am for practice daily. Just your casual swim parents, right? Next example, please.


Do you think the dad would’ve done that if she hadn’t shown some crazy talent to begin with? Meanwhile, people like you are thinking that phone calls to coaches are going to turn your above average kid into a star.



Thus endeth the lesson.
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2024 18:51     Subject: Re:Arlington travel tryouts


The talent is there first and is obvious to even a casual observer.

LOL I guess Arlington staff are not as good at picking out outside talent as casual observers are.
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2024 16:58     Subject: Re:Arlington travel tryouts

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's what some of you fail to remember. While not everyone should aspire to be a pro, almost universally - across the board of sports - there was either a crazy parent or deranged agent of some type behind most of the stars out there. The William Sisters, Tiger Woods, Kobe Bryant, Maradona, Ball brothers. Sure, they have God-given talent, but most of the stars had some crazy behind them getting to their peak. The point is you have to advocate for your kid along the way or they're going to get roadblocked by the other bulldozer parents out there.


You are cherry picking examples to rationalize crazy behavior. Plenty of superstars have down to earth parents. Katie Ledecky comes to mind. Your kid isn’t going to be one of the greats because you as a parent advocated for them. The talent is there first and is obvious to even a casual observer. If your kid doesn’t fit that description you are deluding yourself.


Ledecky was born in 1997 to David and Mary Gen. Mary Gen is a former associate administrator and had a collegiate swimming career. She was a competitive swimmer in her teenage years and throughout college. She even qualified three times for the nationals while she was a student at the University of New Mexico.Ledecky’s father, David is an attorney who studied at Harvard and Yale. He received his B.A. from Harvard in 1982 and his Juris Doctorate from Yale Law School in 1986. He worked at the law firm of Kirkland & Ellis until 2011, when he took a leave to help coach his daughter.Ledecky’s parents put her in swimming along with her brother, Michael. He was nine and Katie six when they joined Palisades Swim Club in Maryland, according to Bleacher Report. Michael went on to swim for Harvard.“A lot of credit has to go to my parents for putting up with that, too—getting up at 4 a.m. almost every single day to take us to practice,” Michael told Bleacher Report. “At this point, they’ve kind of developed a platoon system. They’ve got it down to a science now.

So...national level swimming mother, father who walked away from law practice to coach daughter, and up at 4am for practice daily. Just your casual swim parents, right? Next example, please.


Do you think the dad would’ve done that if she hadn’t shown some crazy talent to begin with? Meanwhile, people like you are thinking that phone calls to coaches are going to turn your above average kid into a star.


No, that's why if your kid is 14 and is not being picked up by first teams, you shouldn't waste your time. But if your kid is the one who is driven, he/she is not going to get to the highest level by kicking a ball around in the backyard. It takes a village. And most stars at some point form a village or one forms around them. The point is there are alot of other possible stars out there who have defeatist parents like some of you who cry foul everytime their kid gets slighted. Be honest with yourself about your kid's talent. But if multiple people see their potential, at some point you better pick up the baton and start marching or other bands are marching past you.
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2024 16:56     Subject: Re:Arlington travel tryouts

Anonymous wrote:Here's what some of you fail to remember. While not everyone should aspire to be a pro, almost universally - across the board of sports - there was either a crazy parent or deranged agent of some type behind most of the stars out there. The William Sisters, Tiger Woods, Kobe Bryant, Maradona, Ball brothers. Sure, they have God-given talent, but most of the stars had some crazy behind them getting to their peak. The point is you have to advocate for your kid along the way or they're going to get roadblocked by the other bulldozer parents out there.


I don't disagree with the sentiment here - no issues with a parent advocating; I agree that some of that may even be required. But for every example of success, there are examples of no named athletes where an over-involved, crazy parent totally backfired on the kid, and may have messed him/her up for life. Ryan Leaf and Todd Marinovich come to mind. Far from household names, but both first round draft picks in the NFL with crazy dads. Leaf almost killed himself, and Marinovich just straight up broke mentally. I know these are examples of parents going well beyond advocating, but still worth pointing out.
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2024 16:53     Subject: Re:Arlington travel tryouts

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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's what some of you fail to remember. While not everyone should aspire to be a pro, almost universally - across the board of sports - there was either a crazy parent or deranged agent of some type behind most of the stars out there. The William Sisters, Tiger Woods, Kobe Bryant, Maradona, Ball brothers. Sure, they have God-given talent, but most of the stars had some crazy behind them getting to their peak. The point is you have to advocate for your kid along the way or they're going to get roadblocked by the other bulldozer parents out there.


You are cherry picking examples to rationalize crazy behavior. Plenty of superstars have down to earth parents. Katie Ledecky comes to mind. Your kid isn’t going to be one of the greats because you as a parent advocated for them. The talent is there first and is obvious to even a casual observer. If your kid doesn’t fit that description you are deluding yourself.


Ledecky was born in 1997 to David and Mary Gen. Mary Gen is a former associate administrator and had a collegiate swimming career. She was a competitive swimmer in her teenage years and throughout college. She even qualified three times for the nationals while she was a student at the University of New Mexico.Ledecky’s father, David is an attorney who studied at Harvard and Yale. He received his B.A. from Harvard in 1982 and his Juris Doctorate from Yale Law School in 1986. He worked at the law firm of Kirkland & Ellis until 2011, when he took a leave to help coach his daughter.Ledecky’s parents put her in swimming along with her brother, Michael. He was nine and Katie six when they joined Palisades Swim Club in Maryland, according to Bleacher Report. Michael went on to swim for Harvard.“A lot of credit has to go to my parents for putting up with that, too—getting up at 4 a.m. almost every single day to take us to practice,” Michael told Bleacher Report. “At this point, they’ve kind of developed a platoon system. They’ve got it down to a science now.

So...national level swimming mother, father who walked away from law practice to coach daughter, and up at 4am for practice daily. Just your casual swim parents, right? Next example, please.


I know of at least two Arlington families who are homeschooling their baseball players so they can get an extra year of growth and eligibility before college. They have put crazy batting cages in their backyard, etc..
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2024 16:51     Subject: Re:Arlington travel tryouts

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's what some of you fail to remember. While not everyone should aspire to be a pro, almost universally - across the board of sports - there was either a crazy parent or deranged agent of some type behind most of the stars out there. The William Sisters, Tiger Woods, Kobe Bryant, Maradona, Ball brothers. Sure, they have God-given talent, but most of the stars had some crazy behind them getting to their peak. The point is you have to advocate for your kid along the way or they're going to get roadblocked by the other bulldozer parents out there.


You are cherry picking examples to rationalize crazy behavior. Plenty of superstars have down to earth parents. Katie Ledecky comes to mind. Your kid isn’t going to be one of the greats because you as a parent advocated for them. The talent is there first and is obvious to even a casual observer. If your kid doesn’t fit that description you are deluding yourself.


Ledecky was born in 1997 to David and Mary Gen. Mary Gen is a former associate administrator and had a collegiate swimming career. She was a competitive swimmer in her teenage years and throughout college. She even qualified three times for the nationals while she was a student at the University of New Mexico.Ledecky’s father, David is an attorney who studied at Harvard and Yale. He received his B.A. from Harvard in 1982 and his Juris Doctorate from Yale Law School in 1986. He worked at the law firm of Kirkland & Ellis until 2011, when he took a leave to help coach his daughter.Ledecky’s parents put her in swimming along with her brother, Michael. He was nine and Katie six when they joined Palisades Swim Club in Maryland, according to Bleacher Report. Michael went on to swim for Harvard.“A lot of credit has to go to my parents for putting up with that, too—getting up at 4 a.m. almost every single day to take us to practice,” Michael told Bleacher Report. “At this point, they’ve kind of developed a platoon system. They’ve got it down to a science now.

So...national level swimming mother, father who walked away from law practice to coach daughter, and up at 4am for practice daily. Just your casual swim parents, right? Next example, please.


Do you think the dad would’ve done that if she hadn’t shown some crazy talent to begin with? Meanwhile, people like you are thinking that phone calls to coaches are going to turn your above average kid into a star.
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2024 16:24     Subject: Re:Arlington travel tryouts

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's what some of you fail to remember. While not everyone should aspire to be a pro, almost universally - across the board of sports - there was either a crazy parent or deranged agent of some type behind most of the stars out there. The William Sisters, Tiger Woods, Kobe Bryant, Maradona, Ball brothers. Sure, they have God-given talent, but most of the stars had some crazy behind them getting to their peak. The point is you have to advocate for your kid along the way or they're going to get roadblocked by the other bulldozer parents out there.


You are cherry picking examples to rationalize crazy behavior. Plenty of superstars have down to earth parents. Katie Ledecky comes to mind. Your kid isn’t going to be one of the greats because you as a parent advocated for them. The talent is there first and is obvious to even a casual observer. If your kid doesn’t fit that description you are deluding yourself.


Ledecky was born in 1997 to David and Mary Gen. Mary Gen is a former associate administrator and had a collegiate swimming career. She was a competitive swimmer in her teenage years and throughout college. She even qualified three times for the nationals while she was a student at the University of New Mexico.Ledecky’s father, David is an attorney who studied at Harvard and Yale. He received his B.A. from Harvard in 1982 and his Juris Doctorate from Yale Law School in 1986. He worked at the law firm of Kirkland & Ellis until 2011, when he took a leave to help coach his daughter.Ledecky’s parents put her in swimming along with her brother, Michael. He was nine and Katie six when they joined Palisades Swim Club in Maryland, according to Bleacher Report. Michael went on to swim for Harvard.“A lot of credit has to go to my parents for putting up with that, too—getting up at 4 a.m. almost every single day to take us to practice,” Michael told Bleacher Report. “At this point, they’ve kind of developed a platoon system. They’ve got it down to a science now.

So...national level swimming mother, father who walked away from law practice to coach daughter, and up at 4am for practice daily. Just your casual swim parents, right? Next example, please.
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2024 16:04     Subject: Re:Arlington travel tryouts

Anonymous wrote:Here's what some of you fail to remember. While not everyone should aspire to be a pro, almost universally - across the board of sports - there was either a crazy parent or deranged agent of some type behind most of the stars out there. The William Sisters, Tiger Woods, Kobe Bryant, Maradona, Ball brothers. Sure, they have God-given talent, but most of the stars had some crazy behind them getting to their peak. The point is you have to advocate for your kid along the way or they're going to get roadblocked by the other bulldozer parents out there.


You are cherry picking examples to rationalize crazy behavior. Plenty of superstars have down to earth parents. Katie Ledecky comes to mind. Your kid isn’t going to be one of the greats because you as a parent advocated for them. The talent is there first and is obvious to even a casual observer. If your kid doesn’t fit that description you are deluding yourself.
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2024 15:44     Subject: Re:Arlington travel tryouts

Anonymous wrote:Here's what some of you fail to remember. While not everyone should aspire to be a pro, almost universally - across the board of sports - there was either a crazy parent or deranged agent of some type behind most of the stars out there. The William Sisters, Tiger Woods, Kobe Bryant, Maradona, Ball brothers. Sure, they have God-given talent, but most of the stars had some crazy behind them getting to their peak. The point is you have to advocate for your kid along the way or they're going to get roadblocked by the other bulldozer parents out there.


Whose going to tell PP?
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2024 15:37     Subject: Re:Arlington travel tryouts

Here's what some of you fail to remember. While not everyone should aspire to be a pro, almost universally - across the board of sports - there was either a crazy parent or deranged agent of some type behind most of the stars out there. The William Sisters, Tiger Woods, Kobe Bryant, Maradona, Ball brothers. Sure, they have God-given talent, but most of the stars had some crazy behind them getting to their peak. The point is you have to advocate for your kid along the way or they're going to get roadblocked by the other bulldozer parents out there.
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2024 15:36     Subject: Arlington travel tryouts

The minute a parent picks up the phone all credibility is lost. It’s a shame.
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2024 13:11     Subject: Re:Arlington travel tryouts

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So some are complaining that kids never get moved down when they should and others are complaining that kids are getting moved down for outside players. Maybe let the coaches do their jobs.


Don’t discount the impact little Johnny’s mommy or daddy have on calling Arlington coaches and management, trying to influence and advocate on behalf of their kid(s). May explain, I’m part, why so many outside-of-Arlington players are added.



Or the number of Arlington parents that try out at McLean and elsewhere and then threaten to leave unless their kid gets moved up.
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2024 12:55     Subject: Re:Arlington travel tryouts

Anonymous wrote:So some are complaining that kids never get moved down when they should and others are complaining that kids are getting moved down for outside players. Maybe let the coaches do their jobs.


lol, totally agree. Some moms on here are upset their kid moved down, but it is in your DD’s interest to play at the appropriate level. Just because YOU think your DD is better than the new girls, does NOT mean it is true.
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2024 12:50     Subject: Arlington travel tryouts

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone understand the plan for the new pre-academy teams they added this year at the younger age groups? Will they play NCSL and push other teams down or is something else happening?

No clue. Again, as others on here have said, total lack of communication. The only place I’ve even heard of this is on the website and it’s not like that was even an announcement, it was just the way it was listed. I’m not even confident ruling out typos, which has happened before (not just on the website).
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2024 12:46     Subject: Arlington travel tryouts

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone understand the plan for the new pre-academy teams they added this year at the younger age groups? Will they play NCSL and push other teams down or is something else happening?


Don't the pre-academy teams play in pre-ENCL?