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Anonymous wrote:People really took advantage of the DAS program. I don’t blame Disney for changing it.

I do. People taking advantage of it is no reason to completely take away DAS from physically disabled people. It’s crazy to me that someone with like cerebral palsy or cancer or MS or whatever can’t use this service anymore because they don’t also have autism.

It doesn't sound like the new policy removes all access to physical disabilities. DAS is just excluding people whose issues can be solved with a pass to leave the line and return or a mobility device (e.g., scooter or wheelchair) so they don't have to stand.

Cant basically any disability be solved by the bold, including autism and anxiety?

So for my daughter with autism, she struggles with the lines that have like the dark and closed areas in the pre-show activities, like animatronics and stuff like that. I've gotten das for her and has used it in the past occasionally, but only for lines like that. Outside lines were no problem for her because you don't have that extra sensory overload. In our case, I never booked ahead the rides and she won't go on the high demand rides anyway.
Now that she's older and can't communicate better, she simply tells us which one she doesn't want to wait in line for, and last time we went I didn't need the das for her.

But what does this mean? she whines? cries? feels bored? So what?

No, I mean an F5 level freakout. It's not fun for her or anyone else around her. Now that she's had the opportunity to experience some rides, she is much calmer and can advocate for herself. Like I said, we didn't even get a DAS last time. I'm glad she did have the use of one in the past though, because I believe that exposing her to the parks and the rides helped expand her capabilities and tolerances for the sensory issues. The DAS gave her access to the rides, which is exactly what it is supposed to do.

How was it any different than Genie+? I have a kid on the spectrum, and while we did have one melt-down at the park, I don’t see how DAS would have prevented it. With Genie we could still have a short line and have some structure to the day, albeit having to fill the time in. But TBH the pace of Genie+ was perfect - get to the park, do some low-stimulation stuff until our LL, rinse, repeat.

G+ only allows one LL per ride per day. Also, popular rides “sell out” early in the morning. Ie: Slinky Dog passes are gone by 7:05am. But someone with DAS can get it any time of the day, by simply virtually waiting the current standby wait time.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with the PP who said that DAS became necessary when they eliminated the FastPass. I have two children who benefit from waiting elsewhere (one autistic ADHD and one ADHD—we just get the DAS for the autistic family member), but we did fine with the FastPass system. Now that they’ve monetized the Lighting Lane even the DAS isn’t great because if it’s very busy that line can be quite long, too. We waited in Haunted Mansion Lighting Lane line in Disneyland for nearly an hour after waiting outside the line for an hour plus. Several times we almost bailed as our kids kept bumping into the people around us because the line was so congested. One could also argue that we are “taking advantage” of the DAS since we didn’t use it before, but honestly we didn’t need it with the old system. FastPass is never coming back though, since they’ve figured out how to charge people to wait in shorter lines. I don’t understand how people will leave the line either. There have been times when we wanted to leave the line and couldn’t.

ALSO I would add that I think standby lines became much more untenable when they started selling Genie+. For example we used to have no issue waiting in standby for rides like Buzz Lightyear because while there was a line, it moved along fairly quickly. Now people flood the Lighting Lane (I’m guessing because there’s nothing left more attractive) on even these rides. I counted the last time we went and they were letting like 20+ people in from the Lightning Lane for every 4-6 people in standby! That’s ridiculous.

Why is that ridiculous? To me, if I pay for the LL and I have a time to ride and wait for my turn, I want to go in before anyone in the stand-by line.

My point is that they are IMO overselling Genie+, and making the experience suck for other people who also paid hundreds or thousands of dollars to be there (or just don’t have a LL for that particular ride).

I’d like to see stats on how many people in lightning lanes are DAS vs genie +. I don’t think genie is the reason for the overcrowding.

Maybe to fix DAS, they should make it so you can’t enter any other rides while you’re in “line” for your ride.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with the PP who said that DAS became necessary when they eliminated the FastPass. I have two children who benefit from waiting elsewhere (one autistic ADHD and one ADHD—we just get the DAS for the autistic family member), but we did fine with the FastPass system. Now that they’ve monetized the Lighting Lane even the DAS isn’t great because if it’s very busy that line can be quite long, too. We waited in Haunted Mansion Lighting Lane line in Disneyland for nearly an hour after waiting outside the line for an hour plus. Several times we almost bailed as our kids kept bumping into the people around us because the line was so congested. One could also argue that we are “taking advantage” of the DAS since we didn’t use it before, but honestly we didn’t need it with the old system. FastPass is never coming back though, since they’ve figured out how to charge people to wait in shorter lines. I don’t understand how people will leave the line either. There have been times when we wanted to leave the line and couldn’t.

ALSO I would add that I think standby lines became much more untenable when they started selling Genie+. For example we used to have no issue waiting in standby for rides like Buzz Lightyear because while there was a line, it moved along fairly quickly. Now people flood the Lighting Lane (I’m guessing because there’s nothing left more attractive) on even these rides. I counted the last time we went and they were letting like 20+ people in from the Lightning Lane for every 4-6 people in standby! That’s ridiculous.

Why is that ridiculous? To me, if I pay for the LL and I have a time to ride and wait for my turn, I want to go in before anyone in the stand-by line.

My point is that they are IMO overselling Genie+, and making the experience suck for other people who also paid hundreds or thousands of dollars to be there (or just don’t have a LL for that particular ride).

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with the PP who said that DAS became necessary when they eliminated the FastPass. I have two children who benefit from waiting elsewhere (one autistic ADHD and one ADHD—we just get the DAS for the autistic family member), but we did fine with the FastPass system. Now that they’ve monetized the Lighting Lane even the DAS isn’t great because if it’s very busy that line can be quite long, too. We waited in Haunted Mansion Lighting Lane line in Disneyland for nearly an hour after waiting outside the line for an hour plus. Several times we almost bailed as our kids kept bumping into the people around us because the line was so congested. One could also argue that we are “taking advantage” of the DAS since we didn’t use it before, but honestly we didn’t need it with the old system. FastPass is never coming back though, since they’ve figured out how to charge people to wait in shorter lines. I don’t understand how people will leave the line either. There have been times when we wanted to leave the line and couldn’t.

ALSO I would add that I think standby lines became much more untenable when they started selling Genie+. For example we used to have no issue waiting in standby for rides like Buzz Lightyear because while there was a line, it moved along fairly quickly. Now people flood the Lighting Lane (I’m guessing because there’s nothing left more attractive) on even these rides. I counted the last time we went and they were letting like 20+ people in from the Lightning Lane for every 4-6 people in standby! That’s ridiculous.

Why is that ridiculous? To me, if I pay for the LL and I have a time to ride and wait for my turn, I want to go in before anyone in the stand-by line.

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Anonymous wrote:People really took advantage of the DAS program. I don’t blame Disney for changing it.

I do. People taking advantage of it is no reason to completely take away DAS from physically disabled people. It’s crazy to me that someone with like cerebral palsy or cancer or MS or whatever can’t use this service anymore because they don’t also have autism.

It doesn't sound like the new policy removes all access to physical disabilities. DAS is just excluding people whose issues can be solved with a pass to leave the line and return or a mobility device (e.g., scooter or wheelchair) so they don't have to stand.

Cant basically any disability be solved by the bold, including autism and anxiety?

So for my daughter with autism, she struggles with the lines that have like the dark and closed areas in the pre-show activities, like animatronics and stuff like that. I've gotten das for her and has used it in the past occasionally, but only for lines like that. Outside lines were no problem for her because you don't have that extra sensory overload. In our case, I never booked ahead the rides and she won't go on the high demand rides anyway.
Now that she's older and can't communicate better, she simply tells us which one she doesn't want to wait in line for, and last time we went I didn't need the das for her.

But what does this mean? she whines? cries? feels bored? So what?

Many, many rides will let you bypass the pre-show (like Haunted Mansion, etc.) Just ask a cast member.

I had absolutely no idea this was possible! I would love to skip the car designing at Test Track.

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Anonymous wrote:People really took advantage of the DAS program. I don’t blame Disney for changing it.

I do. People taking advantage of it is no reason to completely take away DAS from physically disabled people. It’s crazy to me that someone with like cerebral palsy or cancer or MS or whatever can’t use this service anymore because they don’t also have autism.

It doesn't sound like the new policy removes all access to physical disabilities. DAS is just excluding people whose issues can be solved with a pass to leave the line and return or a mobility device (e.g., scooter or wheelchair) so they don't have to stand.

Cant basically any disability be solved by the bold, including autism and anxiety?

So for my daughter with autism, she struggles with the lines that have like the dark and closed areas in the pre-show activities, like animatronics and stuff like that. I've gotten das for her and has used it in the past occasionally, but only for lines like that. Outside lines were no problem for her because you don't have that extra sensory overload. In our case, I never booked ahead the rides and she won't go on the high demand rides anyway.
Now that she's older and can't communicate better, she simply tells us which one she doesn't want to wait in line for, and last time we went I didn't need the das for her.

But what does this mean? she whines? cries? feels bored? So what?

No, I mean an F5 level freakout. It's not fun for her or anyone else around her. Now that she's had the opportunity to experience some rides, she is much calmer and can advocate for herself. Like I said, we didn't even get a DAS last time. I'm glad she did have the use of one in the past though, because I believe that exposing her to the parks and the rides helped expand her capabilities and tolerances for the sensory issues. The DAS gave her access to the rides, which is exactly what it is supposed to do.

How was it any different than Genie+? I have a kid on the spectrum, and while we did have one melt-down at the park, I don’t see how DAS would have prevented it. With Genie we could still have a short line and have some structure to the day, albeit having to fill the time in. But TBH the pace of Genie+ was perfect - get to the park, do some low-stimulation stuff until our LL, rinse, repeat.

G+ only allows one LL per ride per day. Also, popular rides “sell out” early in the morning. Ie: Slinky Dog passes are gone by 7:05am. But someone with DAS can get it any time of the day, by simply virtually waiting the current standby wait time.

The passes fluctuate in availability - people will give up passes if they’re not going to get to the ride on time, or if they’re leaving the park, or just don’t want to ride anymore. You just have to keep checking. New passes pop up all the time.

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Anonymous wrote:People really took advantage of the DAS program. I don’t blame Disney for changing it.

I do. People taking advantage of it is no reason to completely take away DAS from physically disabled people. It’s crazy to me that someone with like cerebral palsy or cancer or MS or whatever can’t use this service anymore because they don’t also have autism.

It doesn't sound like the new policy removes all access to physical disabilities. DAS is just excluding people whose issues can be solved with a pass to leave the line and return or a mobility device (e.g., scooter or wheelchair) so they don't have to stand.

Cant basically any disability be solved by the bold, including autism and anxiety?

So for my daughter with autism, she struggles with the lines that have like the dark and closed areas in the pre-show activities, like animatronics and stuff like that. I've gotten das for her and has used it in the past occasionally, but only for lines like that. Outside lines were no problem for her because you don't have that extra sensory overload. In our case, I never booked ahead the rides and she won't go on the high demand rides anyway.
Now that she's older and can't communicate better, she simply tells us which one she doesn't want to wait in line for, and last time we went I didn't need the das for her.

But what does this mean? she whines? cries? feels bored? So what?

Many, many rides will let you bypass the pre-show (like Haunted Mansion, etc.) Just ask a cast member.

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Anonymous wrote:People really took advantage of the DAS program. I don’t blame Disney for changing it.

I do. People taking advantage of it is no reason to completely take away DAS from physically disabled people. It’s crazy to me that someone with like cerebral palsy or cancer or MS or whatever can’t use this service anymore because they don’t also have autism.

It doesn't sound like the new policy removes all access to physical disabilities. DAS is just excluding people whose issues can be solved with a pass to leave the line and return or a mobility device (e.g., scooter or wheelchair) so they don't have to stand.

Cant basically any disability be solved by the bold, including autism and anxiety?

So for my daughter with autism, she struggles with the lines that have like the dark and closed areas in the pre-show activities, like animatronics and stuff like that. I've gotten das for her and has used it in the past occasionally, but only for lines like that. Outside lines were no problem for her because you don't have that extra sensory overload. In our case, I never booked ahead the rides and she won't go on the high demand rides anyway.
Now that she's older and can't communicate better, she simply tells us which one she doesn't want to wait in line for, and last time we went I didn't need the das for her.

But what does this mean? she whines? cries? feels bored? So what?

No, I mean an F5 level freakout. It's not fun for her or anyone else around her. Now that she's had the opportunity to experience some rides, she is much calmer and can advocate for herself. Like I said, we didn't even get a DAS last time. I'm glad she did have the use of one in the past though, because I believe that exposing her to the parks and the rides helped expand her capabilities and tolerances for the sensory issues. The DAS gave her access to the rides, which is exactly what it is supposed to do.

How was it any different than Genie+? I have a kid on the spectrum, and while we did have one melt-down at the park, I don’t see how DAS would have prevented it. With Genie we could still have a short line and have some structure to the day, albeit having to fill the time in. But TBH the pace of Genie+ was perfect - get to the park, do some low-stimulation stuff until our LL, rinse, repeat.

G+ only allows one LL per ride per day. Also, popular rides “sell out” early in the morning. Ie: Slinky Dog passes are gone by 7:05am. But someone with DAS can get it any time of the day, by simply virtually waiting the current standby wait time.

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Anonymous wrote:People really took advantage of the DAS program. I don’t blame Disney for changing it.

I do. People taking advantage of it is no reason to completely take away DAS from physically disabled people. It’s crazy to me that someone with like cerebral palsy or cancer or MS or whatever can’t use this service anymore because they don’t also have autism.

It doesn't sound like the new policy removes all access to physical disabilities. DAS is just excluding people whose issues can be solved with a pass to leave the line and return or a mobility device (e.g., scooter or wheelchair) so they don't have to stand.

Cant basically any disability be solved by the bold, including autism and anxiety?

So for my daughter with autism, she struggles with the lines that have like the dark and closed areas in the pre-show activities, like animatronics and stuff like that. I've gotten das for her and has used it in the past occasionally, but only for lines like that. Outside lines were no problem for her because you don't have that extra sensory overload. In our case, I never booked ahead the rides and she won't go on the high demand rides anyway.
Now that she's older and can't communicate better, she simply tells us which one she doesn't want to wait in line for, and last time we went I didn't need the das for her.

But what does this mean? she whines? cries? feels bored? So what?

No, I mean an F5 level freakout. It's not fun for her or anyone else around her. Now that she's had the opportunity to experience some rides, she is much calmer and can advocate for herself. Like I said, we didn't even get a DAS last time. I'm glad she did have the use of one in the past though, because I believe that exposing her to the parks and the rides helped expand her capabilities and tolerances for the sensory issues. The DAS gave her access to the rides, which is exactly what it is supposed to do.

How was it any different than Genie+? I have a kid on the spectrum, and while we did have one melt-down at the park, I don’t see how DAS would have prevented it. With Genie we could still have a short line and have some structure to the day, albeit having to fill the time in. But TBH the pace of Genie+ was perfect - get to the park, do some low-stimulation stuff until our LL, rinse, repeat.

G+ only allows one LL per ride per day. Also, popular rides “sell out” early in the morning. Ie: Slinky Dog passes are gone by 7:05am. But someone with DAS can get it any time of the day, by simply virtually waiting the current standby wait time.

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Anonymous wrote:People really took advantage of the DAS program. I don’t blame Disney for changing it.

I do. People taking advantage of it is no reason to completely take away DAS from physically disabled people. It’s crazy to me that someone with like cerebral palsy or cancer or MS or whatever can’t use this service anymore because they don’t also have autism.

It doesn't sound like the new policy removes all access to physical disabilities. DAS is just excluding people whose issues can be solved with a pass to leave the line and return or a mobility device (e.g., scooter or wheelchair) so they don't have to stand.

Cant basically any disability be solved by the bold, including autism and anxiety?

So for my daughter with autism, she struggles with the lines that have like the dark and closed areas in the pre-show activities, like animatronics and stuff like that. I've gotten das for her and has used it in the past occasionally, but only for lines like that. Outside lines were no problem for her because you don't have that extra sensory overload. In our case, I never booked ahead the rides and she won't go on the high demand rides anyway.
Now that she's older and can't communicate better, she simply tells us which one she doesn't want to wait in line for, and last time we went I didn't need the das for her.

But what does this mean? she whines? cries? feels bored? So what?

No, I mean an F5 level freakout. It's not fun for her or anyone else around her. Now that she's had the opportunity to experience some rides, she is much calmer and can advocate for herself. Like I said, we didn't even get a DAS last time. I'm glad she did have the use of one in the past though, because I believe that exposing her to the parks and the rides helped expand her capabilities and tolerances for the sensory issues. The DAS gave her access to the rides, which is exactly what it is supposed to do.

How was it any different than Genie+? I have a kid on the spectrum, and while we did have one melt-down at the park, I don’t see how DAS would have prevented it. With Genie we could still have a short line and have some structure to the day, albeit having to fill the time in. But TBH the pace of Genie+ was perfect - get to the park, do some low-stimulation stuff until our LL, rinse, repeat.

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Anonymous wrote:We went to Disney (once). Even though we had the DAS pass, there was still a day when we paid for our whole family of 5 to go into Epcot and my dc didn't even last to see or do one activity. So all the ticket fees for that day just down the drain.

This was our life for like ten years and it sucked for everyone. Sorry pp.

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Anonymous wrote:It should be either/or. You shouldn't be able to use Genie + if you have DAS. It's double dipping.

It looks like you can only get a certain #of ride passes per day with the DAS. If you can use Genie + to get on other rides quickly, why wouldn’t you? I don’t see how it’s double dipping.
(I have neurotypical kids and no dog in this fight. But I’m not following your logic)

You can only use Genie + so many times in a day. Clearly the program is being abused which is why it's being modified. If you want to get to the head of the line of every ride, pay for the VIP service.

Anonymous wrote:We went to Disney (once). Even though we had the DAS pass, there was still a day when we paid for our whole family of 5 to go into Epcot and my dc didn't even last to see or do one activity. So all the ticket fees for that day just down the drain.

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Anonymous wrote:People really took advantage of the DAS program. I don’t blame Disney for changing it.

I do. People taking advantage of it is no reason to completely take away DAS from physically disabled people. It’s crazy to me that someone with like cerebral palsy or cancer or MS or whatever can’t use this service anymore because they don’t also have autism.

It doesn't sound like the new policy removes all access to physical disabilities. DAS is just excluding people whose issues can be solved with a pass to leave the line and return or a mobility device (e.g., scooter or wheelchair) so they don't have to stand.

Cant basically any disability be solved by the bold, including autism and anxiety?

So for my daughter with autism, she struggles with the lines that have like the dark and closed areas in the pre-show activities, like animatronics and stuff like that. I've gotten das for her and has used it in the past occasionally, but only for lines like that. Outside lines were no problem for her because you don't have that extra sensory overload. In our case, I never booked ahead the rides and she won't go on the high demand rides anyway.
Now that she's older and can't communicate better, she simply tells us which one she doesn't want to wait in line for, and last time we went I didn't need the das for her.

But what does this mean? she whines? cries? feels bored? So what?

No, I mean an F5 level freakout. It's not fun for her or anyone else around her. Now that she's had the opportunity to experience some rides, she is much calmer and can advocate for herself. Like I said, we didn't even get a DAS last time. I'm glad she did have the use of one in the past though, because I believe that exposing her to the parks and the rides helped expand her capabilities and tolerances for the sensory issues. The DAS gave her access to the rides, which is exactly what it is supposed to do.

How was it any different than Genie+? I have a kid on the spectrum, and while we did have one melt-down at the park, I don’t see how DAS would have prevented it. With Genie we could still have a short line and have some structure to the day, albeit having to fill the time in. But TBH the pace of Genie+ was perfect - get to the park, do some low-stimulation stuff until our LL, rinse, repeat.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with the PP who said that DAS became necessary when they eliminated the FastPass. I have two children who benefit from waiting elsewhere (one autistic ADHD and one ADHD—we just get the DAS for the autistic family member), but we did fine with the FastPass system. Now that they’ve monetized the Lighting Lane even the DAS isn’t great because if it’s very busy that line can be quite long, too. We waited in Haunted Mansion Lighting Lane line in Disneyland for nearly an hour after waiting outside the line for an hour plus. Several times we almost bailed as our kids kept bumping into the people around us because the line was so congested. One could also argue that we are “taking advantage” of the DAS since we didn’t use it before, but honestly we didn’t need it with the old system. FastPass is never coming back though, since they’ve figured out how to charge people to wait in shorter lines. I don’t understand how people will leave the line either. There have been times when we wanted to leave the line and couldn’t.

ALSO I would add that I think standby lines became much more untenable when they started selling Genie+. For example we used to have no issue waiting in standby for rides like Buzz Lightyear because while there was a line, it moved along fairly quickly. Now people flood the Lighting Lane (I’m guessing because there’s nothing left more attractive) on even these rides. I counted the last time we went and they were letting like 20+ people in from the Lightning Lane for every 4-6 people in standby! That’s ridiculous.