Anonymous
Post 04/03/2024 15:27     Subject: “Wrap-around services.” Do you agree this is the problem?

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Sorry it’s the culture.

You can’t fix them until you fix that.


UBI would fix it. It would teach responsibility.


It would do the exact opposite. DC basically already has UBI with all the free housing, free food, free childcare, free spending money, plus no more policing of antisocial behavior. The skyrocketing violent crime speaks for itself.


Oh, you misunderstood. It would teach the government and upper class responsibility.


You don't make any sense. Bottom line, all the free handouts and leniency is why DC has become such a cesspool of violent crime and vagrancy. People need to take responsibility for their own actions.


The government is responsible for all its citizens, not just the citizens and businesses that contribute to election campaigns. The government needs to backstop citizens from cradle to grave, or we will never have a truly free society. Currently, citizens are held in bondage by the capitalist oligarchy. Why do you want to keep perpetuating the same system that has resulted in our current society?
Wrong. The government is not responsible for its citizens at all. It's responsibility is to "establish Justice, ensure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity". That's the US Constitution btw. Nothing in there about backstopping citizens cradle to grave.


Did you read the bolded? The framers wrote that and left it intentionally broad, and it encompasses a whole range of thing of benefit to the nation as a whole, such as schools and education, infrastructure, social programs and so on. Hamilton argued that broad interpretation which viewed spending as an enumerated power Congress could exercise independently to benefit the general welfare, such as to assist national needs in agriculture or education, provided that the spending is general in nature and does not favor any specific portion of the country over any other and that Hamiltonian view is what has generally been upheld in the courts.

https://www.acslaw.org/expertforum/to-promote-the-general-welfare/



+1

The problem is that these people are practically illiterate so discussing ideas is impossible.
Anonymous
Post 04/02/2024 23:56     Subject: “Wrap-around services.” Do you agree this is the problem?

Anonymous wrote:Dr. Jennifer Doleac has looked into the research about wraparound programs when it comes to criminals and recidivism. Apparently, the current research shows they either do nothing, or make things worse:

https://youtu.be/AfO8G1ZStNo?t=120

But the "evidence based" crowd doesn't seem to care and claim that they're the answer to our problems.


More likely they are in the on the grift and the faux "caring" is a deflection.
Anonymous
Post 04/02/2024 23:45     Subject: “Wrap-around services.” Do you agree this is the problem?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Sorry it’s the culture.

You can’t fix them until you fix that.


UBI would fix it. It would teach responsibility.


It would do the exact opposite. DC basically already has UBI with all the free housing, free food, free childcare, free spending money, plus no more policing of antisocial behavior. The skyrocketing violent crime speaks for itself.


Oh, you misunderstood. It would teach the government and upper class responsibility.


You don't make any sense. Bottom line, all the free handouts and leniency is why DC has become such a cesspool of violent crime and vagrancy. People need to take responsibility for their own actions.


The government is responsible for all its citizens, not just the citizens and businesses that contribute to election campaigns. The government needs to backstop citizens from cradle to grave, or we will never have a truly free society. Currently, citizens are held in bondage by the capitalist oligarchy. Why do you want to keep perpetuating the same system that has resulted in our current society?
Wrong. The government is not responsible for its citizens at all. It's responsibility is to "establish Justice, ensure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity". That's the US Constitution btw. Nothing in there about backstopping citizens cradle to grave.


Did you read the bolded? The framers wrote that and left it intentionally broad, and it encompasses a whole range of thing of benefit to the nation as a whole, such as schools and education, infrastructure, social programs and so on. Hamilton argued that broad interpretation which viewed spending as an enumerated power Congress could exercise independently to benefit the general welfare, such as to assist national needs in agriculture or education, provided that the spending is general in nature and does not favor any specific portion of the country over any other and that Hamiltonian view is what has generally been upheld in the courts.

https://www.acslaw.org/expertforum/to-promote-the-general-welfare/

Anonymous
Post 04/02/2024 22:30     Subject: “Wrap-around services.” Do you agree this is the problem?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Sorry it’s the culture.

You can’t fix them until you fix that.


UBI would fix it. It would teach responsibility.


It would do the exact opposite. DC basically already has UBI with all the free housing, free food, free childcare, free spending money, plus no more policing of antisocial behavior. The skyrocketing violent crime speaks for itself.


Oh, you misunderstood. It would teach the government and upper class responsibility.


You don't make any sense. Bottom line, all the free handouts and leniency is why DC has become such a cesspool of violent crime and vagrancy. People need to take responsibility for their own actions.


The government is responsible for all its citizens, not just the citizens and businesses that contribute to election campaigns. The government needs to backstop citizens from cradle to grave, or we will never have a truly free society. Currently, citizens are held in bondage by the capitalist oligarchy. Why do you want to keep perpetuating the same system that has resulted in our current society?
Wrong. The government is not responsible for its citizens at all. It's responsibility is to "establish Justice, ensure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity". That's the US Constitution btw. Nothing in there about backstopping citizens cradle to grave.
Anonymous
Post 04/02/2024 22:21     Subject: “Wrap-around services.” Do you agree this is the problem?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dads in the home.

Discipline. Accountability.

Learning right from wrong.


Many people around the world grow up in poverty but they are not murdering harmless disabled senior citizens as 12 and 13 year old girls.
These are aspects of white supremacy.


Wrong. Being a good parent, holding people accountable for behaving badly, knowing right from wrong are no a "white" thing. They are a basic HUMAN thing.


You come across as the type of person who would go around saying “All Lives Matter” but not understand what is wrong with that.
You sound like a person who has so deeply ingrained her racist beliefs, that she does not see how racist she is.
Anonymous
Post 04/02/2024 22:15     Subject: “Wrap-around services.” Do you agree this is the problem?

Anonymous wrote:No. Instead Invest heavily in teachers, community centers and make sure there are free things for kids to do 24/7. Tutoring, sports, arts etc. some kids will opt in others will not. Increase juvenile detention and school discipline. Remove problem kids to alternative schools. Don’t punish the good kids by rewarding the bad ones.

This will work better than wrap around services. I can't find the reference, but remember seeing that a small number of bad people actually commit most of the crimes. Leaving the bad people in their communities harms the good people who live there, and degrades the culture of the community as a whole.

Get kids who commit violent crimes out. I guarantee you they terrorize smart kids and make it harder to excel in school. Break up the drunk/high loiterers on the street. They suppress the economic vitality of the neighborhood.
Anonymous
Post 04/02/2024 10:52     Subject: “Wrap-around services.” Do you agree this is the problem?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dads in the home.

Discipline. Accountability.

Learning right from wrong.


Many people around the world grow up in poverty but they are not murdering harmless disabled senior citizens as 12 and 13 year old girls.


These are aspects of white supremacy.



True.

Visit the African-American museum.

The fact is, dads in the home, discipline, accountability, and learning right from wrong, are all aspects of white Supremacy.


This is not credible. It would constitute an infantilization of African Americans.
Anonymous
Post 04/02/2024 09:17     Subject: “Wrap-around services.” Do you agree this is the problem?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dads in the home.

Discipline. Accountability.

Learning right from wrong.


Many people around the world grow up in poverty but they are not murdering harmless disabled senior citizens as 12 and 13 year old girls.


These are aspects of white supremacy.



True.

Visit the African-American museum.

The fact is, dads in the home, discipline, accountability, and learning right from wrong, are all aspects of white Supremacy.


Try again.

Explain to me what exactly is "white supremacist" being a good parent? Family and being good parents is a long standing tradition in Africa going back long before the white man.

What exactly is "white supremacist" about holding people accountable for behaving badly? That is also a long standing tradition in Africa going back long before the white man.

What exactly is "white supremacist" about knowing right from wrong? That is also a long standing tradition in Africa going back long before the white man.



Those are not "white supremacist" concepts. As an example, the West African Empire of Mali had a Constitution and codified civil laws 800 years ago, long before the white man colonized, as a system of accountability and right and wrong. Elders and griots taught right and wrong and family values. Tribal circles would hear and adjudicate crimes and allegations in the way that courts and juries do today. There were many systems in place throughout Africa long before the white man. It is really strange and frankly displays a bigotry of low expectations for people to suggest those are all purely alien inventions of the white man that were imposed on Africa or that blacks somehow shouldn't be part of it. The way that the white man did it was different, but the concepts are not.
Anonymous
Post 04/02/2024 09:03     Subject: “Wrap-around services.” Do you agree this is the problem?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dads in the home.

Discipline. Accountability.

Learning right from wrong.


Many people around the world grow up in poverty but they are not murdering harmless disabled senior citizens as 12 and 13 year old girls.


These are aspects of white supremacy.



True.

Visit the African-American museum.

The fact is, dads in the home, discipline, accountability, and learning right from wrong, are all aspects of white Supremacy.


Try again.

Explain to me what exactly is "white supremacist" being a good parent? Family and being good parents is a long standing tradition in Africa going back long before the white man.

What exactly is "white supremacist" about holding people accountable for behaving badly? That is also a long standing tradition in Africa going back long before the white man.

What exactly is "white supremacist" about knowing right from wrong? That is also a long standing tradition in Africa going back long before the white man.

Anonymous
Post 04/02/2024 07:55     Subject: “Wrap-around services.” Do you agree this is the problem?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dads in the home.

Discipline. Accountability.

Learning right from wrong.


Many people around the world grow up in poverty but they are not murdering harmless disabled senior citizens as 12 and 13 year old girls.


These are aspects of white supremacy.



True.

Visit the African-American museum.

The fact is, dads in the home, discipline, accountability, and learning right from wrong, are all aspects of white Supremacy.