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Anonymous wrote:Just enroll your kid in kindergarten already. Yes, your kid will be among the youngest and the early years of grade school will have more twists and turns, but in the long run it's better. That way, your student graduates from high school at 17 instead of 19 or 20.

Our summer birthday started college at almost 18 and will graduate with a bachelor's at 21. A lot of her redshirted peers in the same grade are already 23. They'll graduate with a bachelor's at 24/25/26. Half their 20s are already over, and now what? Grad school? They'll be almost 30 by the time they hit the workforce...

Look ahead 20 years, OP. Redshirting actually holds your kid back later.

Red-shirting delays everything by a single year. Please explain how you think red-shirting leads to graduating with a bachelor's at 26. I simply must know how your mind works.

How do we go from graduation at 17 to 19 or 20? What happened to 18? The age most redshirted kids will be when they graduate? Like almost all of the other kids? I have a late May birthday and even I was 18 at HS graduation.

The discussion is about the redshirted outliers who are at least 6m from the cutoff. I think 19.5 is old to graduate personally. I can see many kids in that situation being frustrated the last year and just wanting to get out of the house. I know I did as a 17 year old senior. I can’t imagine being 2 years older and not being so ready to go away to college and have some independence.

No it's not about the outliers. It's about redshirting in general. The majority are very close to the cutoff which makes the hyperbole about 20yr old high school graduates ridiculous.

It’s about multiple 7 year olds in a kinder class.

Then move to a lower income area and move to a diverse school that better aligns with your values.

You sound like so many people pre-kids. Why don’t you actually have children before you fancy yourself an expert on this?

I mean, that PP is correct. Your best solution to this non-problem is to leave your clearly very wealthy school district and enroll in another one that better fits your values. At least if you did that, you wouldn’t be as much of a hypocrite.

My kid’s school had very few redshirted kids. It absolutely did not have individual writing and reading tutors for kids who were a little behind the state standards; the exhausted sped educators it had were busy dealing with children who were functionally illiterate in fifth grade and sixth graders with math skills below kindergarten, in addition to children with profound emotional disabilities. The school also had a very large percentage of kids who had suffered terrible abuse, homelessness, drug addiction by middle school, and other actual serious problems. But I’m sure that you consider all of that nothing compared to the existential horror of your snowflake having to be in a class with a child six months older. Looking forward to hearing your plans for moving!

Great solution. I’m not moving from my house I bought pre kids where my kids attend a great school so I can write a post every few months bragging about “exhausted sped educators it had were busy dealing with children who were functionally illiterate in fifth grade and sixth graders with math skills below kindergarten, in addition to children with profound emotional disabilities. The school also had a very large percentage of kids who had suffered terrible abuse, homelessness, drug addiction by middle school, and other actual serious problems.” You’re so woke? Congrats. Or YOU could move to a school that’s a better environment for your own child, but you won’t because your pretentious identity is more important to you.

At least you aren’t bothering to pretend you are anything other than an entitled hypocrite any more. Glad you admit that.

Also, I did move. But I certainly never came to DCUM to whine about my precious snowflake and the existential horror of DC having three older kids in his class. I’d have died of embarrassment first, truthfully.

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Anonymous wrote:Just enroll your kid in kindergarten already. Yes, your kid will be among the youngest and the early years of grade school will have more twists and turns, but in the long run it's better. That way, your student graduates from high school at 17 instead of 19 or 20.

Our summer birthday started college at almost 18 and will graduate with a bachelor's at 21. A lot of her redshirted peers in the same grade are already 23. They'll graduate with a bachelor's at 24/25/26. Half their 20s are already over, and now what? Grad school? They'll be almost 30 by the time they hit the workforce...

Look ahead 20 years, OP. Redshirting actually holds your kid back later.

Red-shirting delays everything by a single year. Please explain how you think red-shirting leads to graduating with a bachelor's at 26. I simply must know how your mind works.

How do we go from graduation at 17 to 19 or 20? What happened to 18? The age most redshirted kids will be when they graduate? Like almost all of the other kids? I have a late May birthday and even I was 18 at HS graduation.

The discussion is about the redshirted outliers who are at least 6m from the cutoff. I think 19.5 is old to graduate personally. I can see many kids in that situation being frustrated the last year and just wanting to get out of the house. I know I did as a 17 year old senior. I can’t imagine being 2 years older and not being so ready to go away to college and have some independence.

No it's not about the outliers. It's about redshirting in general. The majority are very close to the cutoff which makes the hyperbole about 20yr old high school graduates ridiculous.

It’s about multiple 7 year olds in a kinder class.

Then move to a lower income area and move to a diverse school that better aligns with your values.

You sound like so many people pre-kids. Why don’t you actually have children before you fancy yourself an expert on this?

I mean, that PP is correct. Your best solution to this non-problem is to leave your clearly very wealthy school district and enroll in another one that better fits your values. At least if you did that, you wouldn’t be as much of a hypocrite.

My kid’s school had very few redshirted kids. It absolutely did not have individual writing and reading tutors for kids who were a little behind the state standards; the exhausted sped educators it had were busy dealing with children who were functionally illiterate in fifth grade and sixth graders with math skills below kindergarten, in addition to children with profound emotional disabilities. The school also had a very large percentage of kids who had suffered terrible abuse, homelessness, drug addiction by middle school, and other actual serious problems. But I’m sure that you consider all of that nothing compared to the existential horror of your snowflake having to be in a class with a child six months older. Looking forward to hearing your plans for moving!

Great solution. I’m not moving from my house I bought pre kids where my kids attend a great school so I can write a post every few months bragging about “exhausted sped educators it had were busy dealing with children who were functionally illiterate in fifth grade and sixth graders with math skills below kindergarten, in addition to children with profound emotional disabilities. The school also had a very large percentage of kids who had suffered terrible abuse, homelessness, drug addiction by middle school, and other actual serious problems.” You’re so woke? Congrats. Or YOU could move to a school that’s a better environment for your own child, but you won’t because your pretentious identity is more important to you.

Those kids are at your "great" school as well. Surprise. They just fall through the cracks. My kids grew up in those schools. You need to learn what they did, empathy. There are plenty of kids struggling at rich schools as parents at rich schools ignore their kids as well but they have less justification ask they can afford tutors and therapists but choose not to.

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Anonymous wrote:Just enroll your kid in kindergarten already. Yes, your kid will be among the youngest and the early years of grade school will have more twists and turns, but in the long run it's better. That way, your student graduates from high school at 17 instead of 19 or 20.

Our summer birthday started college at almost 18 and will graduate with a bachelor's at 21. A lot of her redshirted peers in the same grade are already 23. They'll graduate with a bachelor's at 24/25/26. Half their 20s are already over, and now what? Grad school? They'll be almost 30 by the time they hit the workforce...

Look ahead 20 years, OP. Redshirting actually holds your kid back later.

Red-shirting delays everything by a single year. Please explain how you think red-shirting leads to graduating with a bachelor's at 26. I simply must know how your mind works.

How do we go from graduation at 17 to 19 or 20? What happened to 18? The age most redshirted kids will be when they graduate? Like almost all of the other kids? I have a late May birthday and even I was 18 at HS graduation.

The discussion is about the redshirted outliers who are at least 6m from the cutoff. I think 19.5 is old to graduate personally. I can see many kids in that situation being frustrated the last year and just wanting to get out of the house. I know I did as a 17 year old senior. I can’t imagine being 2 years older and not being so ready to go away to college and have some independence.

No it's not about the outliers. It's about redshirting in general. The majority are very close to the cutoff which makes the hyperbole about 20yr old high school graduates ridiculous.

It’s about multiple 7 year olds in a kinder class.

Then move to a lower income area and move to a diverse school that better aligns with your values.

You sound like so many people pre-kids. Why don’t you actually have children before you fancy yourself an expert on this?

I mean, that PP is correct. Your best solution to this non-problem is to leave your clearly very wealthy school district and enroll in another one that better fits your values. At least if you did that, you wouldn’t be as much of a hypocrite.

My kid’s school had very few redshirted kids. It absolutely did not have individual writing and reading tutors for kids who were a little behind the state standards; the exhausted sped educators it had were busy dealing with children who were functionally illiterate in fifth grade and sixth graders with math skills below kindergarten, in addition to children with profound emotional disabilities. The school also had a very large percentage of kids who had suffered terrible abuse, homelessness, drug addiction by middle school, and other actual serious problems. But I’m sure that you consider all of that nothing compared to the existential horror of your snowflake having to be in a class with a child six months older. Looking forward to hearing your plans for moving!

Great solution. I’m not moving from my house I bought pre kids where my kids attend a great school so I can write a post every few months bragging about “exhausted sped educators it had were busy dealing with children who were functionally illiterate in fifth grade and sixth graders with math skills below kindergarten, in addition to children with profound emotional disabilities. The school also had a very large percentage of kids who had suffered terrible abuse, homelessness, drug addiction by middle school, and other actual serious problems.” You’re so woke? Congrats. Or YOU could move to a school that’s a better environment for your own child, but you won’t because your pretentious identity is more important to you.

Those kids are at your "great" school as well. Surprise. They just fall through the cracks. My kids grew up in those schools. You need to learn what they did, empathy. There are plenty of kids struggling at rich schools as parents at rich schools ignore their kids as well but they have less justification ask they can afford tutors and therapists but choose not to.

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Anonymous wrote:Just enroll your kid in kindergarten already. Yes, your kid will be among the youngest and the early years of grade school will have more twists and turns, but in the long run it's better. That way, your student graduates from high school at 17 instead of 19 or 20.

Our summer birthday started college at almost 18 and will graduate with a bachelor's at 21. A lot of her redshirted peers in the same grade are already 23. They'll graduate with a bachelor's at 24/25/26. Half their 20s are already over, and now what? Grad school? They'll be almost 30 by the time they hit the workforce...

Look ahead 20 years, OP. Redshirting actually holds your kid back later.

Red-shirting delays everything by a single year. Please explain how you think red-shirting leads to graduating with a bachelor's at 26. I simply must know how your mind works.

How do we go from graduation at 17 to 19 or 20? What happened to 18? The age most redshirted kids will be when they graduate? Like almost all of the other kids? I have a late May birthday and even I was 18 at HS graduation.

The discussion is about the redshirted outliers who are at least 6m from the cutoff. I think 19.5 is old to graduate personally. I can see many kids in that situation being frustrated the last year and just wanting to get out of the house. I know I did as a 17 year old senior. I can’t imagine being 2 years older and not being so ready to go away to college and have some independence.

No it's not about the outliers. It's about redshirting in general. The majority are very close to the cutoff which makes the hyperbole about 20yr old high school graduates ridiculous.

It’s about multiple 7 year olds in a kinder class.

Then move to a lower income area and move to a diverse school that better aligns with your values.

You sound like so many people pre-kids. Why don’t you actually have children before you fancy yourself an expert on this?

I mean, that PP is correct. Your best solution to this non-problem is to leave your clearly very wealthy school district and enroll in another one that better fits your values. At least if you did that, you wouldn’t be as much of a hypocrite.

My kid’s school had very few redshirted kids. It absolutely did not have individual writing and reading tutors for kids who were a little behind the state standards; the exhausted sped educators it had were busy dealing with children who were functionally illiterate in fifth grade and sixth graders with math skills below kindergarten, in addition to children with profound emotional disabilities. The school also had a very large percentage of kids who had suffered terrible abuse, homelessness, drug addiction by middle school, and other actual serious problems. But I’m sure that you consider all of that nothing compared to the existential horror of your snowflake having to be in a class with a child six months older. Looking forward to hearing your plans for moving!

Great solution. I’m not moving from my house I bought pre kids where my kids attend a great school so I can write a post every few months bragging about “exhausted sped educators it had were busy dealing with children who were functionally illiterate in fifth grade and sixth graders with math skills below kindergarten, in addition to children with profound emotional disabilities. The school also had a very large percentage of kids who had suffered terrible abuse, homelessness, drug addiction by middle school, and other actual serious problems.” You’re so woke? Congrats. Or YOU could move to a school that’s a better environment for your own child, but you won’t because your pretentious identity is more important to you.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you all so obsessed with other people's kids? Maybe your problem is really with colleges and competitions with artificial grade-based boundaries for giving out prizes. Attack the real problem.

It’s the teasing, it’s the spots on select athletic teams sorted by grade… it’s an unfair advantage in elementary school and it puts the youngest kids at a disadvantage. My kid has been teased for his height and he’s in the 95 percentile for height for his age but in such a redshirt heavy school with a lot of tall peers he plays sports with, you would not be able to tell he’s tall for his age. He is still smaller than kids 14m older. He’s mid June birthday and has several early spring kids in his class. I don’t really care about the height thing but time and time again, the younger kids are held to higher standards. Most of the kids selected for the peer leadership team at our school are redshirted kids. I think the schools want to older kids to be honest. They have less to worry about all around, especially with academic. A 6.5 year old is much more read to read than a just turned 5 year old. Everything is just easier. They are usually behaved in the classroom, but many have issues with peers and teasing/bullying outside of the classroom. That’s been my experience. I’m not talking about redshirts within a month or two, Im talking about kids who were intentionally held back to have an advantage that are 6m from the cut off.

When are you going to stop external supplementation and education for your child? When are you going to move to an at-risk school district? Since you claim to care so much about parents not doing anything that might advantage their child, I assume you are going to be consistent. Please update us!

They do that too. There is a big difference between getting tutoring and just holding your kid back so they are a full year older than most kids and 18m older than the younger kids. The fact that you don’t see the difference says a lot. I think once people make up their minds they just don’t see it as gaming the system, which it is.

Right, there is a big difference between outside tutoring and classes and redshirting: outside tutoring and supplementation have been shown in studies to cause harm to other children in the classroom, to the point where educators are now trained in how to try to mitigate that harm, while redshirting has not been shown to cause any harm. So, you are correct: your tutoring and outside academic supplements are in fact quite different than redshirting. I’m glad you acknowledge the serious harm you are doing to other children by your outside academic supplements.

Also, I wasn’t talking about what other parents were doing. I was talking about what you are going to do, because you are so worried about parents doing things that supposedly cause harm to other students. I want to know what you are going to do to mitigate the harms you are causing since you are so harshly judging other parents for your (imaginary, unsupported) claims of harm.

I’ll ask you again: when are you going to move your child to an at-risk school district? When are you going to stop externally supplementing, and start lobbying the school boards against such programs? When are you going to do something that actually helps all those kids you supposedly worry about?

I know you won’t answer this. You are an utter raging hypocrite like most of DCUMs anti-redshirt posters. You know I’m right, too, which is why you are scrambling to talk about what those other parents do and not answer the questions about your own actions.

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Anonymous wrote:Just enroll your kid in kindergarten already. Yes, your kid will be among the youngest and the early years of grade school will have more twists and turns, but in the long run it's better. That way, your student graduates from high school at 17 instead of 19 or 20.

Our summer birthday started college at almost 18 and will graduate with a bachelor's at 21. A lot of her redshirted peers in the same grade are already 23. They'll graduate with a bachelor's at 24/25/26. Half their 20s are already over, and now what? Grad school? They'll be almost 30 by the time they hit the workforce...

Look ahead 20 years, OP. Redshirting actually holds your kid back later.

Red-shirting delays everything by a single year. Please explain how you think red-shirting leads to graduating with a bachelor's at 26. I simply must know how your mind works.

How do we go from graduation at 17 to 19 or 20? What happened to 18? The age most redshirted kids will be when they graduate? Like almost all of the other kids? I have a late May birthday and even I was 18 at HS graduation.

The discussion is about the redshirted outliers who are at least 6m from the cutoff. I think 19.5 is old to graduate personally. I can see many kids in that situation being frustrated the last year and just wanting to get out of the house. I know I did as a 17 year old senior. I can’t imagine being 2 years older and not being so ready to go away to college and have some independence.

No it's not about the outliers. It's about redshirting in general. The majority are very close to the cutoff which makes the hyperbole about 20yr old high school graduates ridiculous.

It’s about multiple 7 year olds in a kinder class.

Then move to a lower income area and move to a diverse school that better aligns with your values.

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Anonymous wrote:Just enroll your kid in kindergarten already. Yes, your kid will be among the youngest and the early years of grade school will have more twists and turns, but in the long run it's better. That way, your student graduates from high school at 17 instead of 19 or 20.

Our summer birthday started college at almost 18 and will graduate with a bachelor's at 21. A lot of her redshirted peers in the same grade are already 23. They'll graduate with a bachelor's at 24/25/26. Half their 20s are already over, and now what? Grad school? They'll be almost 30 by the time they hit the workforce...

Look ahead 20 years, OP. Redshirting actually holds your kid back later.

Red-shirting delays everything by a single year. Please explain how you think red-shirting leads to graduating with a bachelor's at 26. I simply must know how your mind works.

How do we go from graduation at 17 to 19 or 20? What happened to 18? The age most redshirted kids will be when they graduate? Like almost all of the other kids? I have a late May birthday and even I was 18 at HS graduation.

The discussion is about the redshirted outliers who are at least 6m from the cutoff. I think 19.5 is old to graduate personally. I can see many kids in that situation being frustrated the last year and just wanting to get out of the house. I know I did as a 17 year old senior. I can’t imagine being 2 years older and not being so ready to go away to college and have some independence.

No it's not about the outliers. It's about redshirting in general. The majority are very close to the cutoff which makes the hyperbole about 20yr old high school graduates ridiculous.

It’s about multiple 7 year olds in a kinder class.

Then move to a lower income area and move to a diverse school that better aligns with your values.

You sound like so many people pre-kids. Why don’t you actually have children before you fancy yourself an expert on this?

I mean, that PP is correct. Your best solution to this non-problem is to leave your clearly very wealthy school district and enroll in another one that better fits your values. At least if you did that, you wouldn’t be as much of a hypocrite.

My kid’s school had very few redshirted kids. It absolutely did not have individual writing and reading tutors for kids who were a little behind the state standards; the exhausted sped educators it had were busy dealing with children who were functionally illiterate in fifth grade and sixth graders with math skills below kindergarten, in addition to children with profound emotional disabilities. The school also had a very large percentage of kids who had suffered terrible abuse, homelessness, drug addiction by middle school, and other actual serious problems. But I’m sure that you consider all of that nothing compared to the existential horror of your snowflake having to be in a class with a child six months older. Looking forward to hearing your plans for moving!

Great solution. I’m not moving from my house I bought pre kids where my kids attend a great school so I can write a post every few months bragging about “exhausted sped educators it had were busy dealing with children who were functionally illiterate in fifth grade and sixth graders with math skills below kindergarten, in addition to children with profound emotional disabilities. The school also had a very large percentage of kids who had suffered terrible abuse, homelessness, drug addiction by middle school, and other actual serious problems.” You’re so woke? Congrats. Or YOU could move to a school that’s a better environment for your own child, but you won’t because your pretentious identity is more important to you.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you all so obsessed with other people's kids? Maybe your problem is really with colleges and competitions with artificial grade-based boundaries for giving out prizes. Attack the real problem.

It’s the teasing, it’s the spots on select athletic teams sorted by grade… it’s an unfair advantage in elementary school and it puts the youngest kids at a disadvantage. My kid has been teased for his height and he’s in the 95 percentile for height for his age but in such a redshirt heavy school with a lot of tall peers he plays sports with, you would not be able to tell he’s tall for his age. He is still smaller than kids 14m older. He’s mid June birthday and has several early spring kids in his class. I don’t really care about the height thing but time and time again, the younger kids are held to higher standards. Most of the kids selected for the peer leadership team at our school are redshirted kids. I think the schools want to older kids to be honest. They have less to worry about all around, especially with academic. A 6.5 year old is much more read to read than a just turned 5 year old. Everything is just easier. They are usually behaved in the classroom, but many have issues with peers and teasing/bullying outside of the classroom. That’s been my experience. I’m not talking about redshirts within a month or two, Im talking about kids who were intentionally held back to have an advantage that are 6m from the cut off.

When are you going to stop external supplementation and education for your child? When are you going to move to an at-risk school district? Since you claim to care so much about parents not doing anything that might advantage their child, I assume you are going to be consistent. Please update us!

They do that too. There is a big difference between getting tutoring and just holding your kid back so they are a full year older than most kids and 18m older than the younger kids. The fact that you don’t see the difference says a lot. I think once people make up their minds they just don’t see it as gaming the system, which it is.

You don't think spending all your free time in math tutoring to get ahead a year isn't also gaming the system? Then those parents complain that the math curriculum is too slow and holding their kid back. Same difference.

Supplementing and educating your kids is not gaming the system. Elementary school is very slow and does't teach the basics anymore. Most decent parents supplement. If you are holding back, you should be educating them at home so they keep up with their true peers.

When you’re in charge you can make the rules until then, you’re just blowing hot air.

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Anonymous wrote:Just enroll your kid in kindergarten already. Yes, your kid will be among the youngest and the early years of grade school will have more twists and turns, but in the long run it's better. That way, your student graduates from high school at 17 instead of 19 or 20.

Our summer birthday started college at almost 18 and will graduate with a bachelor's at 21. A lot of her redshirted peers in the same grade are already 23. They'll graduate with a bachelor's at 24/25/26. Half their 20s are already over, and now what? Grad school? They'll be almost 30 by the time they hit the workforce...

Look ahead 20 years, OP. Redshirting actually holds your kid back later.

Red-shirting delays everything by a single year. Please explain how you think red-shirting leads to graduating with a bachelor's at 26. I simply must know how your mind works.

How do we go from graduation at 17 to 19 or 20? What happened to 18? The age most redshirted kids will be when they graduate? Like almost all of the other kids? I have a late May birthday and even I was 18 at HS graduation.

The discussion is about the redshirted outliers who are at least 6m from the cutoff. I think 19.5 is old to graduate personally. I can see many kids in that situation being frustrated the last year and just wanting to get out of the house. I know I did as a 17 year old senior. I can’t imagine being 2 years older and not being so ready to go away to college and have some independence.

No it's not about the outliers. It's about redshirting in general. The majority are very close to the cutoff which makes the hyperbole about 20yr old high school graduates ridiculous.

It’s about multiple 7 year olds in a kinder class.

Then move to a lower income area and move to a diverse school that better aligns with your values.

You sound like so many people pre-kids. Why don’t you actually have children before you fancy yourself an expert on this?

I mean, that PP is correct. Your best solution to this non-problem is to leave your clearly very wealthy school district and enroll in another one that better fits your values. At least if you did that, you wouldn’t be as much of a hypocrite.

My kid’s school had very few redshirted kids. It absolutely did not have individual writing and reading tutors for kids who were a little behind the state standards; the exhausted sped educators it had were busy dealing with children who were functionally illiterate in fifth grade and sixth graders with math skills below kindergarten, in addition to children with profound emotional disabilities. The school also had a very large percentage of kids who had suffered terrible abuse, homelessness, drug addiction by middle school, and other actual serious problems. But I’m sure that you consider all of that nothing compared to the existential horror of your snowflake having to be in a class with a child six months older. Looking forward to hearing your plans for moving!

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Anonymous wrote:Just enroll your kid in kindergarten already. Yes, your kid will be among the youngest and the early years of grade school will have more twists and turns, but in the long run it's better. That way, your student graduates from high school at 17 instead of 19 or 20.

Our summer birthday started college at almost 18 and will graduate with a bachelor's at 21. A lot of her redshirted peers in the same grade are already 23. They'll graduate with a bachelor's at 24/25/26. Half their 20s are already over, and now what? Grad school? They'll be almost 30 by the time they hit the workforce...

Look ahead 20 years, OP. Redshirting actually holds your kid back later.

Red-shirting delays everything by a single year. Please explain how you think red-shirting leads to graduating with a bachelor's at 26. I simply must know how your mind works.

How do we go from graduation at 17 to 19 or 20? What happened to 18? The age most redshirted kids will be when they graduate? Like almost all of the other kids? I have a late May birthday and even I was 18 at HS graduation.

The discussion is about the redshirted outliers who are at least 6m from the cutoff. I think 19.5 is old to graduate personally. I can see many kids in that situation being frustrated the last year and just wanting to get out of the house. I know I did as a 17 year old senior. I can’t imagine being 2 years older and not being so ready to go away to college and have some independence.

No it's not about the outliers. It's about redshirting in general. The majority are very close to the cutoff which makes the hyperbole about 20yr old high school graduates ridiculous.

It’s about multiple 7 year olds in a kinder class.

Then move to a lower income area and move to a diverse school that better aligns with your values.

You sound like so many people pre-kids. Why don’t you actually have children before you fancy yourself an expert on this?

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Anonymous wrote:Just enroll your kid in kindergarten already. Yes, your kid will be among the youngest and the early years of grade school will have more twists and turns, but in the long run it's better. That way, your student graduates from high school at 17 instead of 19 or 20.

Our summer birthday started college at almost 18 and will graduate with a bachelor's at 21. A lot of her redshirted peers in the same grade are already 23. They'll graduate with a bachelor's at 24/25/26. Half their 20s are already over, and now what? Grad school? They'll be almost 30 by the time they hit the workforce...

Look ahead 20 years, OP. Redshirting actually holds your kid back later.

Red-shirting delays everything by a single year. Please explain how you think red-shirting leads to graduating with a bachelor's at 26. I simply must know how your mind works.

How do we go from graduation at 17 to 19 or 20? What happened to 18? The age most redshirted kids will be when they graduate? Like almost all of the other kids? I have a late May birthday and even I was 18 at HS graduation.

The discussion is about the redshirted outliers who are at least 6m from the cutoff. I think 19.5 is old to graduate personally. I can see many kids in that situation being frustrated the last year and just wanting to get out of the house. I know I did as a 17 year old senior. I can’t imagine being 2 years older and not being so ready to go away to college and have some independence.

No it's not about the outliers. It's about redshirting in general. The majority are very close to the cutoff which makes the hyperbole about 20yr old high school graduates ridiculous.

It’s about multiple 7 year olds in a kinder class.

Then move to a lower income area and move to a diverse school that better aligns with your values.

You sound like so many people pre-kids. Why don’t you actually have children before you fancy yourself an expert on this?

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Anonymous wrote:Just enroll your kid in kindergarten already. Yes, your kid will be among the youngest and the early years of grade school will have more twists and turns, but in the long run it's better. That way, your student graduates from high school at 17 instead of 19 or 20.

Our summer birthday started college at almost 18 and will graduate with a bachelor's at 21. A lot of her redshirted peers in the same grade are already 23. They'll graduate with a bachelor's at 24/25/26. Half their 20s are already over, and now what? Grad school? They'll be almost 30 by the time they hit the workforce...

Look ahead 20 years, OP. Redshirting actually holds your kid back later.

Red-shirting delays everything by a single year. Please explain how you think red-shirting leads to graduating with a bachelor's at 26. I simply must know how your mind works.

How do we go from graduation at 17 to 19 or 20? What happened to 18? The age most redshirted kids will be when they graduate? Like almost all of the other kids? I have a late May birthday and even I was 18 at HS graduation.

The discussion is about the redshirted outliers who are at least 6m from the cutoff. I think 19.5 is old to graduate personally. I can see many kids in that situation being frustrated the last year and just wanting to get out of the house. I know I did as a 17 year old senior. I can’t imagine being 2 years older and not being so ready to go away to college and have some independence.

No it's not about the outliers. It's about redshirting in general. The majority are very close to the cutoff which makes the hyperbole about 20yr old high school graduates ridiculous.

It’s about multiple 7 year olds in a kinder class.

Then move to a lower income area and move to a diverse school that better aligns with your values.

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Anonymous wrote:Just enroll your kid in kindergarten already. Yes, your kid will be among the youngest and the early years of grade school will have more twists and turns, but in the long run it's better. That way, your student graduates from high school at 17 instead of 19 or 20.

Our summer birthday started college at almost 18 and will graduate with a bachelor's at 21. A lot of her redshirted peers in the same grade are already 23. They'll graduate with a bachelor's at 24/25/26. Half their 20s are already over, and now what? Grad school? They'll be almost 30 by the time they hit the workforce...

Look ahead 20 years, OP. Redshirting actually holds your kid back later.

Red-shirting delays everything by a single year. Please explain how you think red-shirting leads to graduating with a bachelor's at 26. I simply must know how your mind works.

How do we go from graduation at 17 to 19 or 20? What happened to 18? The age most redshirted kids will be when they graduate? Like almost all of the other kids? I have a late May birthday and even I was 18 at HS graduation.

The discussion is about the redshirted outliers who are at least 6m from the cutoff. I think 19.5 is old to graduate personally. I can see many kids in that situation being frustrated the last year and just wanting to get out of the house. I know I did as a 17 year old senior. I can’t imagine being 2 years older and not being so ready to go away to college and have some independence.

No it's not about the outliers. It's about redshirting in general. The majority are very close to the cutoff which makes the hyperbole about 20yr old high school graduates ridiculous.

It’s about multiple 7 year olds in a kinder class.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you all so obsessed with other people's kids? Maybe your problem is really with colleges and competitions with artificial grade-based boundaries for giving out prizes. Attack the real problem.

It’s the teasing, it’s the spots on select athletic teams sorted by grade… it’s an unfair advantage in elementary school and it puts the youngest kids at a disadvantage. My kid has been teased for his height and he’s in the 95 percentile for height for his age but in such a redshirt heavy school with a lot of tall peers he plays sports with, you would not be able to tell he’s tall for his age. He is still smaller than kids 14m older. He’s mid June birthday and has several early spring kids in his class. I don’t really care about the height thing but time and time again, the younger kids are held to higher standards. Most of the kids selected for the peer leadership team at our school are redshirted kids. I think the schools want to older kids to be honest. They have less to worry about all around, especially with academic. A 6.5 year old is much more read to read than a just turned 5 year old. Everything is just easier. They are usually behaved in the classroom, but many have issues with peers and teasing/bullying outside of the classroom. That’s been my experience. I’m not talking about redshirts within a month or two, Im talking about kids who were intentionally held back to have an advantage that are 6m from the cut off.

When are you going to stop external supplementation and education for your child? When are you going to move to an at-risk school district? Since you claim to care so much about parents not doing anything that might advantage their child, I assume you are going to be consistent. Please update us!

They do that too. There is a big difference between getting tutoring and just holding your kid back so they are a full year older than most kids and 18m older than the younger kids. The fact that you don’t see the difference says a lot. I think once people make up their minds they just don’t see it as gaming the system, which it is.

Right, there is a big difference between outside tutoring and classes and redshirting: outside tutoring and supplementation have been shown in studies to cause harm to other children in the classroom, to the point where educators are now trained in how to try to mitigate that harm, while redshirting has not been shown to cause any harm. So, you are correct: your tutoring and outside academic supplements are in fact quite different than redshirting. I’m glad you acknowledge the serious harm you are doing to other children by your outside academic supplements.

Also, I wasn’t talking about what other parents were doing. I was talking about what you are going to do, because you are so worried about parents doing things that supposedly cause harm to other students. I want to know what you are going to do to mitigate the harms you are causing since you are so harshly judging other parents for your (imaginary, unsupported) claims of harm.

I’ll ask you again: when are you going to move your child to an at-risk school district? When are you going to stop externally supplementing, and start lobbying the school boards against such programs? When are you going to do something that actually helps all those kids you supposedly worry about?

I know you won’t answer this. You are an utter raging hypocrite like most of DCUMs anti-redshirt posters. You know I’m right, too, which is why you are scrambling to talk about what those other parents do and not answer the questions about your own actions.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you all so obsessed with other people's kids? Maybe your problem is really with colleges and competitions with artificial grade-based boundaries for giving out prizes. Attack the real problem.

It’s the teasing, it’s the spots on select athletic teams sorted by grade… it’s an unfair advantage in elementary school and it puts the youngest kids at a disadvantage. My kid has been teased for his height and he’s in the 95 percentile for height for his age but in such a redshirt heavy school with a lot of tall peers he plays sports with, you would not be able to tell he’s tall for his age. He is still smaller than kids 14m older. He’s mid June birthday and has several early spring kids in his class. I don’t really care about the height thing but time and time again, the younger kids are held to higher standards. Most of the kids selected for the peer leadership team at our school are redshirted kids. I think the schools want to older kids to be honest. They have less to worry about all around, especially with academic. A 6.5 year old is much more read to read than a just turned 5 year old. Everything is just easier. They are usually behaved in the classroom, but many have issues with peers and teasing/bullying outside of the classroom. That’s been my experience. I’m not talking about redshirts within a month or two, Im talking about kids who were intentionally held back to have an advantage that are 6m from the cut off.

When are you going to stop external supplementation and education for your child? When are you going to move to an at-risk school district? Since you claim to care so much about parents not doing anything that might advantage their child, I assume you are going to be consistent. Please update us!

They do that too. There is a big difference between getting tutoring and just holding your kid back so they are a full year older than most kids and 18m older than the younger kids. The fact that you don’t see the difference says a lot. I think once people make up their minds they just don’t see it as gaming the system, which it is.

You don't think spending all your free time in math tutoring to get ahead a year isn't also gaming the system? Then those parents complain that the math curriculum is too slow and holding their kid back. Same difference.

Supplementing and educating your kids is not gaming the system. Elementary school is very slow and does't teach the basics anymore. Most decent parents supplement. If you are holding back, you should be educating them at home so they keep up with their true peers.