Anonymous wrote:Article about Thursday at trial:
https://www.purdueexponent.org/campus/article_fef427c2-bbee-11ee-a3d6-dbeab64b84e6.html

The defense is arguing that the tenure committee was concerned about the Plaintiff's independence from her adviser. There also appear to have been some shenanigans related to trying to question the legitimacy of the Plaintiff's doctorate.

[Department Head] Kim raised the issue in an email, seeking [Vice Provost Hollenbeck's] advice on how to determine whether Sizyuk's doctoral degree was legitimate. Hollenbeck replied after some research that it was.

“We have learned nothing that the primary committee could not have learned themselves from a quick web search or a conversation with Tatyana," he added in an apparent chide. "If their goal was to wait it out and play 'gotcha' then we have a fire to put out. No?”

The linked article seems derogatory for the plaintiff's case. It shows Kim documented her independence, or lack there of, and her defiance.

It's entirely possible that she lacks qualities for a tenure at a T5 engineering school in the country - and ishii made derogatory statements against women in general. Tatyana needs to show that ishii was directing his derogatory statements specifically at her. Otherwise, it looks as if ishii is an early opponent DEI - the need to promote otherwise incompetent Tatyana for the sake of diversity.

Article about Thursday at trial:
https://www.purdueexponent.org/campus/article_fef427c2-bbee-11ee-a3d6-dbeab64b84e6.html

The defense is arguing that the tenure committee was concerned about the Plaintiff's independence from her adviser. There also appear to have been some shenanigans related to trying to question the legitimacy of the Plaintiff's doctorate.

[Department Head] Kim raised the issue in an email, seeking [Vice Provost Hollenbeck's] advice on how to determine whether Sizyuk's doctoral degree was legitimate. Hollenbeck replied after some research that it was.

“We have learned nothing that the primary committee could not have learned themselves from a quick web search or a conversation with Tatyana," he added in an apparent chide. "If their goal was to wait it out and play 'gotcha' then we have a fire to put out. No?”

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Anonymous wrote:As a Purdue engineering graduate, I would not encourage my kids to go there. The mailers I get from the university and Alumni organizations nowadays are all DEI. From what I've seen over the past few years, the quality of engineering education has greatly declined. The Purdue name still carries weight within the region and somewhat nationally, but likely not for much longer.

But how can a university claim to support DEI while tolerating faculty making blatant racist, sexist, and xenophobic statements for years? The things these witnesses let slide while faculty there does not seem very woke, unless there's an Asian exception to being racist etc.

Dude, do you even woke? It was racist against white people. So it's not racist.

It’s like white people only discovered racism existed when it was aimed at them.

Unilateral disarmament is for chumps.

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Anonymous wrote:As a Purdue engineering graduate, I would not encourage my kids to go there. The mailers I get from the university and Alumni organizations nowadays are all DEI. From what I've seen over the past few years, the quality of engineering education has greatly declined. The Purdue name still carries weight within the region and somewhat nationally, but likely not for much longer.

But how can a university claim to support DEI while tolerating faculty making blatant racist, sexist, and xenophobic statements for years? The things these witnesses let slide while faculty there does not seem very woke, unless there's an Asian exception to being racist etc.

Dude, do you even woke? It was racist against white people. So it's not racist.

It’s like white people only discovered racism existed when it was aimed at them.

It's my way - or it's gotta be done fairly.

It's either all or nothing, which do you prefer?

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Anonymous wrote:there are lots of patents that were created by Chinese here.

*Stolen

China is a real threat to US competitiveness. Yes the PRC engages in IP theft and other illicit or unethical activities.

But your statement above is such a gross simplification of the facts that it’s counterproductive. There are plenty of talented and creative people of Chinese origin. To ignore them would be dumb (Chinese American STEM folk, along with all other American STEM professionals, are the best thing we have going in the innovation race). But also foolhardy. If you really think it’s all about theft, you don’t get to the underlying structural things we have to fix.

At the rate the Chinese population is declining, not for long.

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Anonymous wrote:As a Purdue engineering graduate, I would not encourage my kids to go there. The mailers I get from the university and Alumni organizations nowadays are all DEI. From what I've seen over the past few years, the quality of engineering education has greatly declined. The Purdue name still carries weight within the region and somewhat nationally, but likely not for much longer.

But how can a university claim to support DEI while tolerating faculty making blatant racist, sexist, and xenophobic statements for years? The things these witnesses let slide while faculty there does not seem very woke, unless there's an Asian exception to being racist etc.

Dude, do you even woke? It was racist against white people. So it's not racist.

It’s like white people only discovered racism existed when it was aimed at them.

Unfortunately, this is true. I find it interesting that they can't seem to grasp their racism towards others but can only acknowledged it when they experience it. Their selective dismissiveness and acknowledgment in regard to racism is peculiar. Case in point the posts on this thread and many others on this platform are laced with racism and anti-minority bigotry.

It is wishful thinking that we will all stand together to fight against racism on all fronts.

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Anonymous wrote:As a Purdue engineering graduate, I would not encourage my kids to go there. The mailers I get from the university and Alumni organizations nowadays are all DEI. From what I've seen over the past few years, the quality of engineering education has greatly declined. The Purdue name still carries weight within the region and somewhat nationally, but likely not for much longer.

But how can a university claim to support DEI while tolerating faculty making blatant racist, sexist, and xenophobic statements for years? The things these witnesses let slide while faculty there does not seem very woke, unless there's an Asian exception to being racist etc.

Dude, do you even woke? It was racist against white people. So it's not racist.

It’s like white people only discovered racism existed when it was aimed at them.

It's my way - or it's gotta be done fairly.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a Purdue engineering graduate, I would not encourage my kids to go there. The mailers I get from the university and Alumni organizations nowadays are all DEI. From what I've seen over the past few years, the quality of engineering education has greatly declined. The Purdue name still carries weight within the region and somewhat nationally, but likely not for much longer.

But how can a university claim to support DEI while tolerating faculty making blatant racist, sexist, and xenophobic statements for years? The things these witnesses let slide while faculty there does not seem very woke, unless there's an Asian exception to being racist etc.

Dude, do you even woke? It was racist against white people. So it's not racist.

It’s like white people only discovered racism existed when it was aimed at them.

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Anonymous wrote:there are lots of patents that were created by Chinese here.

*Stolen

China is a real threat to US competitiveness. Yes the PRC engages in IP theft and other illicit or unethical activities.

But your statement above is such a gross simplification of the facts that it’s counterproductive. There are plenty of talented and creative people of Chinese origin. To ignore them would be dumb (Chinese American STEM folk, along with all other American STEM professionals, are the best thing we have going in the innovation race). But also foolhardy. If you really think it’s all about theft, you don’t get to the underlying structural things we have to fix.

Anonymous wrote:Chinese are pretty good at doing the crunch work, but they have no imagination or leadership skills at all. Put them in a cubicle to solve mathematical problems, that's all they are good for.

PP who was a grad student in the hard sciences. Those non-technical skills should be taught and developed by your graduate advisors and mentors. But if they take the time to do that, the grad students and post-docs are less
productive in the short term. So unfortunately, students (of any race/ethnic group) who are in environments like that never develop those “soft” skills.

My PhD advisor had us regularly write up our work and took the time to critically review it so we could improve our scientific writing, we had to present on non-research topics regularly. Those skills were as important as knowing the science, and were more work for her than if she just told us what to do in the lab every week.

Anonymous wrote:there are lots of patents that were created by Chinese here.

*Stolen

Anonymous wrote:Chinese are pretty good at doing the crunch work, but they have no imagination or leadership skills at all. Put them in a cubicle to solve mathematical problems, that's all they are good for.

I would not want to opine on all "chinese". But I have certainly met many highly trained, highly qualified chinese-born scientists and engineers who are very creative and capable.

And incidentally, we need more people, chinese or not, who can solve mathematical problems. Mother Nature is the best and harshest teacher on how to focus on the essentials and not get distracted. Something you want in people who are making big decisions.

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Anonymous wrote:As a Purdue engineering graduate, I would not encourage my kids to go there. The mailers I get from the university and Alumni organizations nowadays are all DEI. From what I've seen over the past few years, the quality of engineering education has greatly declined. The Purdue name still carries weight within the region and somewhat nationally, but likely not for much longer.

But how can a university claim to support DEI while tolerating faculty making blatant racist, sexist, and xenophobic statements for years? The things these witnesses let slide while faculty there does not seem very woke, unless there's an Asian exception to being racist etc.

Dude, do you even woke? It was racist against white people. So it's not racist.

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Anonymous wrote:Chinese are pretty good at doing the crunch work, but they have no imagination or leadership skills at all. Put them in a cubicle to solve mathematical problems, that's all they are good for.

hm.. 1 billion people, and that's all they are good for.

there are lots of patents that were created by Chinese here.

I'm not Chinese, btw.

Out of 1 billion people, you don't need 1 billion geniuses to run a country. Most of the population can be just crunchers while the 1% elite in key positions are running the country. In fact, you might need only a few top-geniuses to run a country like the USA. Here in the USA, we have the over-the-top geniuses like Trump, Biden, and Kamala running the country. With geniuses like that, we can afford to be mere crunchers. They got us this far in life.

Anonymous wrote:Chinese are pretty good at doing the crunch work, but they have no imagination or leadership skills at all. Put them in a cubicle to solve mathematical problems, that's all they are good for.

hm.. 1 billion people, and that's all they are good for.

there are lots of patents that were created by Chinese here.

I'm not Chinese, btw.