Anonymous
Post 01/16/2024 09:33     Subject: Re:Donald Trump wins Iowa Republican caucuses in first contests of 2024
We are going to see a Trump/DeSantis ticket. I hope that Vivek is not appointed to a high level position, he rhetoric is much more concerning and he does not have enough experience.

Trump will likely win from the following:

-Anti-immigrant platform

-People will remember the stimulus check they got

-Trump has had the highest vote of any recent Republicans among young African American voters. Immigration affects their community the most.

- Trump's earlier platform and plan for the African American community seems reasonable and plausible. The Biden Admin has done nothing of the sort to my knowledge.

-People don't want to go to war with Russia and in the Middle East. They would rather America mind it's business.

-DEI initiatives and other diversity issues around identity are starting to rub people wrong.

-Some people have not paid attention to the Trump trial and feel he has been wrongly oppressed. šŸ§

-Biden has lost a great deal of the Arab vote across the country, so these people are likely to swing toward Trump.

-Asians might split their vote under Trump.

But yes, it's very real that a Trump presidency could happen again.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2024 09:30     Subject: Re:Donald Trump wins Iowa Republican caucuses in first contests of 2024
He's the presumed nominee and is effectively running as an incumbent. So yeah...kinda ho hum results for him.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2024 09:28     Subject: Donald Trump wins Iowa Republican caucuses in first contests of 2024
MAGAs are really whistling past the graveyard here. Extremely low turnout. Their "incumbent" can only pull 50% of the republican caucus vote. 26% of republican caucus goers say they won't vote for Trump if he's the nominee.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2024 09:25     Subject: Donald Trump wins Iowa Republican caucuses in first contests of 2024
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Anonymous wrote:Wow, only 100k showed up? Less than 2/3 of 2016 turnout. That is embarrassingly low turnout. Seems like republicans are not enthusiastic about their choices.


MAGA is blaming the weather, but thatā€™s Midwest weather. Enthusiasm was mild at best.


It was the coldest caucus in history with temps in the negative 30's. Many parking lots were not cleared and walkways were slippery from the snow a few days ago.
Most pundits were predicting a low turn out because of the bitter cold.
Bottom line.... Trump won over 50% of the vote - more than any candidate has ever won.
And, he got more votes than he received in 2016.
It was definitely a win for him.


If Biden only got 50% in a primary, Iā€™d be pretty concerned.


Iowa doesn't have a primary. It has a caucus, which is what occurred last night. Caucuses are closer to rank ordering than a straight vote. More to the point, the vote for Trump was the largest percentage in Iowa caucus history. To say it another way, no candidate has ever done better in an Iowa caucus in the history of Iowa caucuses. So the interpretation that this is a lackluster outcome is not contextually logical.


Wrong. Bush did much better in 2004.


Bush was the incumbent, so that was a proforma caucus. Out of what we consider actual contests, this is the biggest win on record.


Didn't Trump win in 2020?


No. He lost and the incumbent is Biden. I'm sure Biden crushed his Iowa caucus this year, along with every other incumbent each caucus. The media generally only focuses on the party that isn't in office.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2024 09:08     Subject: Donald Trump wins Iowa Republican caucuses in first contests of 2024
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Wow, only 100k showed up? Less than 2/3 of 2016 turnout. That is embarrassingly low turnout. Seems like republicans are not enthusiastic about their choices.


MAGA is blaming the weather, but thatā€™s Midwest weather. Enthusiasm was mild at best.


It was the coldest caucus in history with temps in the negative 30's. Many parking lots were not cleared and walkways were slippery from the snow a few days ago.
Most pundits were predicting a low turn out because of the bitter cold.
Bottom line.... Trump won over 50% of the vote - more than any candidate has ever won.
And, he got more votes than he received in 2016.
It was definitely a win for him.


If Biden only got 50% in a primary, Iā€™d be pretty concerned.


Iowa doesn't have a primary. It has a caucus, which is what occurred last night. Caucuses are closer to rank ordering than a straight vote. More to the point, the vote for Trump was the largest percentage in Iowa caucus history. To say it another way, no candidate has ever done better in an Iowa caucus in the history of Iowa caucuses. So the interpretation that this is a lackluster outcome is not contextually logical.


Wrong. Bush did much better in 2004.


Bush was the incumbent, so that was a proforma caucus. Out of what we consider actual contests, this is the biggest win on record.


Didn't Trump win in 2020?
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2024 09:01     Subject: Donald Trump wins Iowa Republican caucuses in first contests of 2024
Anonymous wrote:I am in Texas and I think immigration is maybe 9 on my list of public policy concerns.

But Republicans have certainly been successful winning support via xenophobia.


There is nothing xenophobic about wanting secure borders.
And, you are in the minority when it comes to illegal immigration. It is a crisis.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2024 09:00     Subject: Donald Trump wins Iowa Republican caucuses in first contests of 2024
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Wow, only 100k showed up? Less than 2/3 of 2016 turnout. That is embarrassingly low turnout. Seems like republicans are not enthusiastic about their choices.


MAGA is blaming the weather, but thatā€™s Midwest weather. Enthusiasm was mild at best.


It was the coldest caucus in history with temps in the negative 30's. Many parking lots were not cleared and walkways were slippery from the snow a few days ago.
Most pundits were predicting a low turn out because of the bitter cold.
Bottom line.... Trump won over 50% of the vote - more than any candidate has ever won.
And, he got more votes than he received in 2016.
It was definitely a win for him.


If Biden only got 50% in a primary, Iā€™d be pretty concerned.


Iowa doesn't have a primary. It has a caucus, which is what occurred last night. Caucuses are closer to rank ordering than a straight vote. More to the point, the vote for Trump was the largest percentage in Iowa caucus history. To say it another way, no candidate has ever done better in an Iowa caucus in the history of Iowa caucuses. So the interpretation that this is a lackluster outcome is not contextually logical.


Wrong. Bush did much better in 2004.


Bush was the incumbent, so that was a proforma caucus. Out of what we consider actual contests, this is the biggest win on record.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2024 08:58     Subject: Donald Trump wins Iowa Republican caucuses in first contests of 2024
Anonymous wrote:I have a bad feeling that Trump will be re elected. Heā€™s winning the gop nomination.


Yes he will win and illegal immigration will be the #1 issue as it affects economy, national security and debt, etc..
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2024 08:58     Subject: Donald Trump wins Iowa Republican caucuses in first contests of 2024
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Anonymous wrote:Itā€™s more like 50% at this point in the count.

The real development here is De Santis edging out Haley. He needed this to prove to donors that heā€™s still viable and he nailed it.


DeSantis and Haley are gone. Both will drop out after Turnip wins NH. Neither are "viable" and neither "nailed it."

Nailing it would be defeating Turnip or coming very close. Turnip got more votes than DeSantis and Haley combined. He got more votes than everyone else combined. It's a blowout. A thumping, huge blowout.

But it is just a caucus so you can always hope and dream for another day despite the realities on earth. Turnip is going to steamroll through the rest of the primaries, lock up the nomination and most likely defeat Biden in November.


Trump got 56K and Haley/DeSantis combined for 44K. Given how Trump is positioned (he's essentially running as the presumed candidate), that's pretty meh.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2024 08:54     Subject: Donald Trump wins Iowa Republican caucuses in first contests of 2024
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Immigration is #1 issue for voters.


As it should be. National security affects us all.



+100
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2024 08:54     Subject: Donald Trump wins Iowa Republican caucuses in first contests of 2024
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Anonymous wrote:I am in Texas and I think immigration is maybe 9 on my list of public policy concerns.

But Republicans have certainly been successful winning support via xenophobia.


You think those people protesting against migrants in Chicago, NYC, & Denver are Republicans? Idiot.


True
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2024 08:54     Subject: Donald Trump wins Iowa Republican caucuses in first contests of 2024
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Wow, only 100k showed up? Less than 2/3 of 2016 turnout. That is embarrassingly low turnout. Seems like republicans are not enthusiastic about their choices.


MAGA is blaming the weather, but thatā€™s Midwest weather. Enthusiasm was mild at best.


It was the coldest caucus in history with temps in the negative 30's. Many parking lots were not cleared and walkways were slippery from the snow a few days ago.
Most pundits were predicting a low turn out because of the bitter cold.
Bottom line.... Trump won over 50% of the vote - more than any candidate has ever won.
And, he got more votes than he received in 2016.
It was definitely a win for him.


If Biden only got 50% in a primary, Iā€™d be pretty concerned.


Iowa doesn't have a primary. It has a caucus, which is what occurred last night. Caucuses are closer to rank ordering than a straight vote. More to the point, the vote for Trump was the largest percentage in Iowa caucus history. To say it another way, no candidate has ever done better in an Iowa caucus in the history of Iowa caucuses. So the interpretation that this is a lackluster outcome is not contextually logical.


Wrong. Bush did much better in 2004.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2024 08:54     Subject: Donald Trump wins Iowa Republican caucuses in first contests of 2024
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Itā€™s more like 50% at this point in the count.

The real development here is De Santis edging out Haley. He needed this to prove to donors that heā€™s still viable and he nailed it.


DeSantis and Haley are gone. Both will drop out after Turnip wins NH. Neither are "viable" and neither "nailed it."

Nailing it would be defeating Turnip or coming very close. Turnip got more votes than DeSantis and Haley combined. He got more votes than everyone else combined. It's a blowout. A thumping, huge blowout.

But it is just a caucus so you can always hope and dream for another day despite the realities on earth. Turnip is going to steamroll through the rest of the primaries, lock up the nomination and most likely defeat Biden in November.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2024 08:52     Subject: Re:Donald Trump wins Iowa Republican caucuses in first contests of 2024
Why did he only get 50%?
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2024 08:47     Subject: Donald Trump wins Iowa Republican caucuses in first contests of 2024
Anonymous wrote:Itā€™s more like 50% at this point in the count.

The real development here is De Santis edging out Haley. He needed this to prove to donors that heā€™s still viable and he nailed it.