Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But people get sick from all types of meds. No one is telling men to stop Viagra and work harder on gkeeping their er$action to solve their ED issues. And the side affects for Viagra are very serious. No one tell teenagers to stop Accutane and eat fruit and vegetables if it remedies their cystic acne. I mean c'mon don't even get me started on chemo meds. People should talk with their doctor and determine is better to stay overweight and unhealthy or suffer the side affects of these meds.

I have been on these meds for over 5 years and I've only suffered a little nausea. Lost over 150lbs. I'm not the least bit worried about any lawsuits.

Yes actually some of us are! Viagra is necessary for most men who use it because they have cardiovascular disease sufficiently advanced to impede natural erection - this can be entirely reversed on a plant based diet low in saturated fat and without added sugars. Ditto hypertension drugs. Ditto proton pump inhibitors for chronic acid reflux. Ditto statins for cholesterol. Ditto metformin and insulin for T2 diabetes.

All of these conditions are reversible with the right diet in the vast majority of people - but it does require the will and work to grapple with significant dietary changes and detoxing one’s brain from poor dietary habits that in most cases are decades long established.

I will always encourage people to get off drugs and use food as medicine first and foremost. It’s hard to do in our toxic food culture, but as more and more people are doing it, you can find your tribe that will support you.

How many new DCUM threads have you started handwringing about PPIs, etc.? Zero? One? Or do you reserve your profound concern trolling for drugs that also — totally coincidentally, I’m sure — provide hard evidence that weight is not a simple matter of willpower?

The fact is that there are not new threads every single day from handwringing posters about PPIs, statins, Viagra, and more. Only for the drugs that successfully prove the point that obesity is not a matter of willpower. What a remarkable coincidence!

ABSOLUTELY obesity is NOT about willpower, I never said it was! I am a sufferer myself, I KNOW.

Obesity researchers are still working things out but we certainly know that there are all kinds of hormonal issues and other factors that interplay to drive metabolic disorder, and it is generally accepted now that the disorder precedes obesity and that is why there are millions of skinny fat, sick Americans who don’t even know they have metabolic disorder that is harming their organs and long term health. The fat is a symptom, it isn’t the cause.

That said, what we do know is that certain foods help certain people to get the same effect as weight loss drugs without the drugs. We also know that while different diets can work for weight loss, many are not sustainable long term and some that might be for some people are incontrovertibly linked to much higher risk of cardiovascular disease.

Listen none of this is easy. People keep wanting the easy. The obesity doctors who have used these drugs for many years now would be first to say it is not a miracle solution to the overweight/obesity epidemic.

And as the drugs are more widely used, we see more and more of the worst side effects.

And we know the drugs have to be taken in perpetuity to keep the weight off unless, gasp, the lifestyle changes are made - which means a radical shift in relationship to food - seeing it more as for fuel and less as for pleasure.

These drugs are tools but they aren’t cures and we should be striving for better solutions. Long term if we don’t change the food environment beginning with the poisoning in the school lunch programs and the marketing to kids we aren’t going to win this war with injectables.

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Anonymous wrote:I post this on every thread. Why aren’t these semaglutide haters saying the same thing about blood pressure medications, anxiety medications acne medications or heart medications. Many say those ailments can be remedied by eating healthy, exercising and walking in flower fields. Why don’t you guys go on the health forum and tell those folks they just need to try harder? They just need to eat more broccoli and carrots?


Some folks have taking BP meds and cholesterol meds for decades, why aren’t you guys flaming them to just try harder? I really want to know.

They don’t care about other medications.

They are absolutely furious about the success of Wegovy because they experience that success as a profound narcissistic injury. That’s why they post incessantly. It is a deep injury to their self-perception and they are lashing out in an endless panicked cycle as a result.

This is another dumb take, just like the idea of “flaming.” Any discussion that doesn’t involve clapping like a seal and “celebrating” the existence of this new class of drugs is equated to being furious.

One thing that’s missing here is the jealously take. That would round this out. Though I can assure you no one is jealous of the inability to control an energy intake imbalance. Especially those of us that have been there before.

This all comes down to actually being willing to engage in discussion of how the obesity tread actually happens and what could be done, with some actual work, to avoid it. A productive discussion that doesn’t involve well paid middle class federal employees co-opting the actual disadvantage of people living in places like south east DC and attempting to act like the food system is engaged in a relentless war to sabotage them. When that just isn’t the reality for them.

Anonymous wrote:I have been taking Ozempic and carefully monitoring myself for adverse side effects. I did hold off trying them because of the lawsuits but my doctors thought I should try it since my weight was impacting my health significantly as I entered my postmenopausal years. I have noticed my anxiety has spiked significantly and will be stopping it. I might try Zepbound when that becomes approved by my insurance.

That's interesting-I'm on Wegovy, past menopause and it has made my anxiety go DOWN. It's interesting how people react differently.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But people get sick from all types of meds. No one is telling men to stop Viagra and work harder on gkeeping their er$action to solve their ED issues. And the side affects for Viagra are very serious. No one tell teenagers to stop Accutane and eat fruit and vegetables if it remedies their cystic acne. I mean c'mon don't even get me started on chemo meds. People should talk with their doctor and determine is better to stay overweight and unhealthy or suffer the side affects of these meds.

I have been on these meds for over 5 years and I've only suffered a little nausea. Lost over 150lbs. I'm not the least bit worried about any lawsuits.

Yes actually some of us are! Viagra is necessary for most men who use it because they have cardiovascular disease sufficiently advanced to impede natural erection - this can be entirely reversed on a plant based diet low in saturated fat and without added sugars. Ditto hypertension drugs. Ditto proton pump inhibitors for chronic acid reflux. Ditto statins for cholesterol. Ditto metformin and insulin for T2 diabetes.

All of these conditions are reversible with the right diet in the vast majority of people - but it does require the will and work to grapple with significant dietary changes and detoxing one’s brain from poor dietary habits that in most cases are decades long established.

I will always encourage people to get off drugs and use food as medicine first and foremost. It’s hard to do in our toxic food culture, but as more and more people are doing it, you can find your tribe that will support you.

How many new DCUM threads have you started handwringing about PPIs, etc.? Zero? One? Or do you reserve your profound concern trolling for drugs that also — totally coincidentally, I’m sure — provide hard evidence that weight is not a simple matter of willpower?

The fact is that there are not new threads every single day from handwringing posters about PPIs, statins, Viagra, and more. Only for the drugs that successfully prove the point that obesity is not a matter of willpower. What a remarkable coincidence!

Anonymous wrote:But people get sick from all types of meds. No one is telling men to stop Viagra and work harder on gkeeping their er$action to solve their ED issues. And the side affects for Viagra are very serious. No one tell teenagers to stop Accutane and eat fruit and vegetables if it remedies their cystic acne. I mean c'mon don't even get me started on chemo meds. People should talk with their doctor and determine is better to stay overweight and unhealthy or suffer the side affects of these meds.

I have been on these meds for over 5 years and I've only suffered a little nausea. Lost over 150lbs. I'm not the least bit worried about any lawsuits.

Yes actually some of us are! Viagra is necessary for most men who use it because they have cardiovascular disease sufficiently advanced to impede natural erection - this can be entirely reversed on a plant based diet low in saturated fat and without added sugars. Ditto hypertension drugs. Ditto proton pump inhibitors for chronic acid reflux. Ditto statins for cholesterol. Ditto metformin and insulin for T2 diabetes.

All of these conditions are reversible with the right diet in the vast majority of people - but it does require the will and work to grapple with significant dietary changes and detoxing one’s brain from poor dietary habits that in most cases are decades long established.

I will always encourage people to get off drugs and use food as medicine first and foremost. It’s hard to do in our toxic food culture, but as more and more people are doing it, you can find your tribe that will support you.

But people get sick from all types of meds. No one is telling men to stop Viagra and work harder on gkeeping their er$action to solve their ED issues. And the side affects for Viagra are very serious. No one tell teenagers to stop Accutane and eat fruit and vegetables if it remedies their cystic acne. I mean c'mon don't even get me started on chemo meds. People should talk with their doctor and determine is better to stay overweight and unhealthy or suffer the side affects of these meds.

I have been on these meds for over 5 years and I've only suffered a little nausea. Lost over 150lbs. I'm not the least bit worried about any lawsuits.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I post this on every thread. Why aren’t these semaglutide haters saying the same thing about blood pressure medications, anxiety medications acne medications or heart medications. Many say those ailments can be remedied by eating healthy, exercising and walking in flower fields. Why don’t you guys go on the health forum and tell those folks they just need to try harder? They just need to eat more broccoli and carrots?


Some folks have taking BP meds and cholesterol meds for decades, why aren’t you guys flaming them to just try harder? I really want to know.

They don’t care about other medications.

They are absolutely furious about the success of Wegovy because they experience that success as a profound narcissistic injury. That’s why they post incessantly. It is a deep injury to their self-perception and they are lashing out in an endless panicked cycle as a result.

I don’t know about this. My elderly mom is on it and it’s helping her diabetes numbers which is amazing; she didn’t develop T2 until she was a senior citizen. I have other family (very strong family history of diabetes and obesity, I don’t -yet - suffer from either) who got really surprisingly sick on it. I can understand the concern people have and I don’t know it’s all trolling.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would never use a drug like these. However I am naturally thin (5'5" and range from 98-108lbs; I'm 45). I think they will make everyone who uses them rebound the weight as SOON as the come off them. And they inflate all our med coverage 🙄 Being fat is not a medical condition; it's a lack of discipline and laziness. Anyone can eat less if they actually TRY.

How lucky for you that you won the genetics lottery. For those of us who did not, who have spent our lives trying one diet after another, these meds are a life saver.

I disagree. Anyone who was around in the 70s and 80s knows that 70% of our population was definitely NOT overweight or obese.

Disagree. I was born in '79 and knew plenty of overweight/obese adults and some kids when growing up in the 80s. My mom struggled with her weight and her sister has always been obese, as is my cousin. My MIL is petite but with severely disordered eating, and her sisters and their spouses are obese both now and in old photos.

I think our nutritional understanding has gotten a lot better in the last 20 years - I eat way better now than the food pyramid recommendations we got back in the day. On the other hand, there's still a ton of crap additives that entered the food system in the 60s-80s and I do believe that affects how people process what they eat, perhaps even after they cut that stuff out of their diet.

NP. I also knew heavy people back then. But the % of overweight/obese people has definitely gone up significantly over the last 40-50 years.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would never use a drug like these. However I am naturally thin (5'5" and range from 98-108lbs; I'm 45). I think they will make everyone who uses them rebound the weight as SOON as the come off them. And they inflate all our med coverage 🙄 Being fat is not a medical condition; it's a lack of discipline and laziness. Anyone can eat less if they actually TRY.

How lucky for you that you won the genetics lottery. For those of us who did not, who have spent our lives trying one diet after another, these meds are a life saver.

I disagree. Anyone who was around in the 70s and 80s knows that 70% of our population was definitely NOT overweight or obese.

Disagree. I was born in '79 and knew plenty of overweight/obese adults and some kids when growing up in the 80s. My mom struggled with her weight and her sister has always been obese, as is my cousin. My MIL is petite but with severely disordered eating, and her sisters and their spouses are obese both now and in old photos.

I think our nutritional understanding has gotten a lot better in the last 20 years - I eat way better now than the food pyramid recommendations we got back in the day. On the other hand, there's still a ton of crap additives that entered the food system in the 60s-80s and I do believe that affects how people process what they eat, perhaps even after they cut that stuff out of their diet.

Anonymous wrote:I have been taking Ozempic and carefully monitoring myself for adverse side effects. I did hold off trying them because of the lawsuits but my doctors thought I should try it since my weight was impacting my health significantly as I entered my postmenopausal years. I have noticed my anxiety has spiked significantly and will be stopping it. I might try Zepbound when that becomes approved by my insurance.

I have not been paying attention to the lawsuit. Is it about gastroparesis (sp)?

I have been taking Ozempic and carefully monitoring myself for adverse side effects. I did hold off trying them because of the lawsuits but my doctors thought I should try it since my weight was impacting my health significantly as I entered my postmenopausal years. I have noticed my anxiety has spiked significantly and will be stopping it. I might try Zepbound when that becomes approved by my insurance.

Anonymous wrote:I post this on every thread. Why aren’t these semaglutide haters saying the same thing about blood pressure medications, anxiety medications acne medications or heart medications. Many say those ailments can be remedied by eating healthy, exercising and walking in flower fields. Why don’t you guys go on the health forum and tell those folks they just need to try harder? They just need to eat more broccoli and carrots?


Some folks have taking BP meds and cholesterol meds for decades, why aren’t you guys flaming them to just try harder? I really want to know.

They don’t care about other medications.

They are absolutely furious about the success of Wegovy because they experience that success as a profound narcissistic injury. That’s why they post incessantly. It is a deep injury to their self-perception and they are lashing out in an endless panicked cycle as a result.