Anonymous
Post 01/08/2024 09:40     Subject: The ED game is nuts!
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Anonymous wrote:ED should be multischool and organized by a matching algortithm. If this can be done for Questbridge (as I understand it, perhaps wrongly), why not for everyone??


I LOVE this idea. It it used for k-12 schools in many cities (including DC) and medical residencies - why not early decision???


This is a really dumb idea that doesn’t make it any easier for kids. In fact it makes it harder and it makes it harder for the university to build the class as well. Who is helped by this? I’ve heard this idea 1000 times and it’s never good and no one ever has a good justification.


What? The justification is that no one is forced to buy a one-or-nothing lottery ticket. A student can rank by order of their preference, and so can the University and get matched at maybe their second/third/fourth or whatever choice. And can we stop prioritizing the "Build the Class" nonsense? Is that the sole purpose of higher ed? So some Univ can build its class?


If it is so dumb, why are med schools doing it? How does every other country in the world manage enrollment into their universities? Our system has gone bonkers.


Because medical schools are graduate and pre-professional programs that all teach one thing (for the most part) and are far less concerned with other campus cultural things.

Did you really need that stated? I am betting you knew that.

And guess what? It is YOUR idea that is the one-or-nothing choice for the student. In the currnet system, if students get accepted to more than one university, the student gets to choose, and not the university.

Your suggestion is the one that creates the scenario you claim to dislike.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2024 09:35     Subject: The ED game is nuts!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:ED should be multischool and organized by a matching algortithm. If this can be done for Questbridge (as I understand it, perhaps wrongly), why not for everyone??


I LOVE this idea. It it used for k-12 schools in many cities (including DC) and medical residencies - why not early decision???


This is a really dumb idea that doesn’t make it any easier for kids. In fact it makes it harder and it makes it harder for the university to build the class as well. Who is helped by this? I’ve heard this idea 1000 times and it’s never good and no one ever has a good justification.


What? The justification is that no one is forced to buy a one-or-nothing lottery ticket. A student can rank by order of their preference, and so can the University and get matched at maybe their second/third/fourth or whatever choice. And can we stop prioritizing the "Build the Class" nonsense? Is that the sole purpose of higher ed? So some Univ can build its class?


The fact that you use the phrase "Build the Class" nonsense indicates you don't know anything about the admissions process and the goals of a university. Your uninformed state devalues your ideas an opinions. Sorry. These are not like seats in a restaurant or on an airplane.

I recommend you read a book on admissions and how they do what they do.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2024 08:29     Subject: The ED game is nuts!
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Anonymous wrote:ED is also a strategy employed by people who can pay full freight who have children who don’t have the stats for EA or RD. Most of the kids we know that got in ED have far less rigorous course loads and far less impressive stats than those who got in or were referred from EA. we saw this with schools like Tulane, Fairfield, Wake Forest, and Miami.

Or people just want it all to be over and their kid really likes one school and then it works out. You sounds very judgy.


Yeah, mine loved the school. She also had top stats and pretty amazing ECs in both arts and sciences and awards. We are a FA family and knew we would be able to afgord the school from NPC. Actual aid package was better than NPC. Kid is thrilled to be done.


That’s who ED was created for. The school wins by getting a guaranteed ass in the seat. The student wins by being done early with a guaranteed admit to their first choice.

What “ruined” ED is people figured they could get in with a poorer application because the admit rate was higher.

A lot of what’s driving the admissions frenzy is everyone deciding to shoot their shot at every lottery school instead of just taking a step back and thinking about a solid chance for admission for a good match school.



Was any of this a surprise? Whatever the original motivations, it is pretty clear the outcome is kind of crazy right now. Not that anyone of us has any power over the system, but..
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2024 08:27     Subject: The ED game is nuts!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:ED should be multischool and organized by a matching algortithm. If this can be done for Questbridge (as I understand it, perhaps wrongly), why not for everyone??


I LOVE this idea. It it used for k-12 schools in many cities (including DC) and medical residencies - why not early decision???


This is a really dumb idea that doesn’t make it any easier for kids. In fact it makes it harder and it makes it harder for the university to build the class as well. Who is helped by this? I’ve heard this idea 1000 times and it’s never good and no one ever has a good justification.


What? The justification is that no one is forced to buy a one-or-nothing lottery ticket. A student can rank by order of their preference, and so can the University and get matched at maybe their second/third/fourth or whatever choice. And can we stop prioritizing the "Build the Class" nonsense? Is that the sole purpose of higher ed? So some Univ can build its class?


If it is so dumb, why are med schools doing it? How does every other country in the world manage enrollment into their universities? Our system has gone bonkers.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2024 08:27     Subject: The ED game is nuts!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:ED is also a strategy employed by people who can pay full freight who have children who don’t have the stats for EA or RD. Most of the kids we know that got in ED have far less rigorous course loads and far less impressive stats than those who got in or were referred from EA. we saw this with schools like Tulane, Fairfield, Wake Forest, and Miami.

Or people just want it all to be over and their kid really likes one school and then it works out. You sounds very judgy.


Yeah, mine loved the school. She also had top stats and pretty amazing ECs in both arts and sciences and awards. We are a FA family and knew we would be able to afgord the school from NPC. Actual aid package was better than NPC. Kid is thrilled to be done.


That’s who ED was created for. The school wins by getting a guaranteed ass in the seat. The student wins by being done early with a guaranteed admit to their first choice.

What “ruined” ED is people figured they could get in with a poorer application because the admit rate was higher.

A lot of what’s driving the admissions frenzy is everyone deciding to shoot their shot at every lottery school instead of just taking a step back and thinking about a solid chance for admission for a good match school.

Anonymous
Post 01/08/2024 08:25     Subject: The ED game is nuts!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:ED should be multischool and organized by a matching algortithm. If this can be done for Questbridge (as I understand it, perhaps wrongly), why not for everyone??


I LOVE this idea. It it used for k-12 schools in many cities (including DC) and medical residencies - why not early decision???


This is a really dumb idea that doesn’t make it any easier for kids. In fact it makes it harder and it makes it harder for the university to build the class as well. Who is helped by this? I’ve heard this idea 1000 times and it’s never good and no one ever has a good justification.


What? The justification is that no one is forced to buy a one-or-nothing lottery ticket. A student can rank by order of their preference, and so can the University and get matched at maybe their second/third/fourth or whatever choice. And can we stop prioritizing the "Build the Class" nonsense? Is that the sole purpose of higher ed? So some Univ can build its class?
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2024 08:18     Subject: The ED game is nuts!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:ED should be multischool and organized by a matching algortithm. If this can be done for Questbridge (as I understand it, perhaps wrongly), why not for everyone??


I LOVE this idea. It it used for k-12 schools in many cities (including DC) and medical residencies - why not early decision???


This is a really dumb idea that doesn’t make it any easier for kids. In fact it makes it harder and it makes it harder for the university to build the class as well. Who is helped by this? I’ve heard this idea 1000 times and it’s never good and no one ever has a good justification.
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2024 23:10     Subject: The ED game is nuts!
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People who talk about a school being “too low” view college admissions as some sort of achievement or reward rather than a destination that best suits their child and their child’s passions. It’s a sad mindset.


Thank you for this post! My kid was a lifer at a big 3 and was done with the small class sizes. He wanted to go to a big state U and have fun. My son has had a blast in college, first semester. He currently has a 3.8 gpa. His classes are "easier" than his HS classes.

My son is not special but our private school taught him how to work with Professors, TA's and the like. Taught him to advocate for himself.

On a side note, some people always criticize parents that send their kids to private schools. You do you. Our investment has paid off well for our son. I wish the best for you children!

Anonymous
Post 01/07/2024 22:39     Subject: The ED game is nuts!
Anonymous wrote:ED should be multischool and organized by a matching algortithm. If this can be done for Questbridge (as I understand it, perhaps wrongly), why not for everyone??


I LOVE this idea. It it used for k-12 schools in many cities (including DC) and medical residencies - why not early decision???
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2024 22:37     Subject: The ED game is nuts!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:ED is also a strategy employed by people who can pay full freight who have children who don’t have the stats for EA or RD. Most of the kids we know that got in ED have far less rigorous course loads and far less impressive stats than those who got in or were referred from EA. we saw this with schools like Tulane, Fairfield, Wake Forest, and Miami.

Or people just want it all to be over and their kid really likes one school and then it works out. You sounds very judgy.


Yeah, mine loved the school. She also had top stats and pretty amazing ECs in both arts and sciences and awards. We are a FA family and knew we would be able to afgord the school from NPC. Actual aid package was better than NPC. Kid is thrilled to be done.
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2024 22:01     Subject: The ED game is nuts!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:ED is also a strategy employed by people who can pay full freight who have children who don’t have the stats for EA or RD. Most of the kids we know that got in ED have far less rigorous course loads and far less impressive stats than those who got in or were referred from EA. we saw this with schools like Tulane, Fairfield, Wake Forest, and Miami.

Or people just want it all to be over and their kid really likes one school and then it works out. You sounds very judgy.


Right? Maybe my DCs run with a special group of kids, but those applying ED were a mix of kids with stats in 75% and hoping they have lucky lottery ticket as well as kids who are stretching in ED.

ED elicits a lot of strategies - are any of them "more right" than others?
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2024 21:08     Subject: The ED game is nuts!
Anonymous wrote:I think ED makes sense at UChicago if you're okay with what the NPC says.

These are the kids who don't want to roll the dice. Who maybe had a shot at HYPSM and think, but I'm a likely at Chicago and they take that deal.

I get that. As long as you're not a "what if" kind of person.

If you're applying to a school in the 20-50 range, you're applicant is under qualified and you're hoping your full pay status carries you through I guess.

But I don't really see EDing to some school in the 50+ range. The "buyers" per Selingo. In those cases, you have lots of options and you should probably use those acceptances to negotiate your package. Unless money is truly meaningless to you.


You make things out to be very black and white and miss the nuances. This is likely common for you.
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2024 20:57     Subject: The ED game is nuts!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think the worst is when you apply EA and the school encourages a switch to ED2. Makes you have to rethink your whole application strategy all over again.


Not really. The school is basically telling you---we want to admit you but first we want to know 100% you will attend. That's a good thing---they want you. If it's your top choice, you switch to ED2. Most will give you a financial read out before doing so. I know CWRU does this, and they will tell you exactly how much merit and FA you would get. They do it because they have yield issues---they know they are targets/safeties for many who wanted to attend a T25 but didn't get in.
So if the finances are good for you, and you want to attend you switch. If not, or you want to wait and hear from other schools, you take that risk and say no. However, know you just likely killed your chances for getting admission. You told the school "nope, you are not my top choice, I'm not ready to commit". So they would prefer to WL you and give full acceptance to someone who will attend.

Actually I would think that is a very good situation to be in if you want to go to that school.
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2024 20:53     Subject: The ED game is nuts!
ED should be multischool and organized by a matching algortithm. If this can be done for Questbridge (as I understand it, perhaps wrongly), why not for everyone??
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2024 20:52     Subject: The ED game is nuts!
Anonymous wrote:ED is also a strategy employed by people who can pay full freight who have children who don’t have the stats for EA or RD. Most of the kids we know that got in ED have far less rigorous course loads and far less impressive stats than those who got in or were referred from EA. we saw this with schools like Tulane, Fairfield, Wake Forest, and Miami.

Or people just want it all to be over and their kid really likes one school and then it works out. You sounds very judgy.