Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight. Leaking fluid, cramping, 2 prior C sections, all severe enough for a trained medical doctor to say that this pregnancy is a threat to her health and future fertility. But the attorney general disagrees and gets another court to pause the permission that a Texas judge allowed this woman? Never mind that the fetus has a severe birth defect. Never mind that she had to go to court in the first place.
I’ve had 3 children with one pregnancy that was dangerous but it worked out OK. That experience has made me even more pro choice because I know first hand how difficult that is. It should not involve someone else’s medically uninformed opinion.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to know what the details are, but probably if this woman can’t go to the hospital and have a procedure to remove her baby, it’s because her baby is still alive, and (the mom) isn’t currently in medical danger from the pregnancy.
State law says treatments for miscarriages, known as “spontaneous abortions” in medicine, and ectopic pregnancies, in which a fertilized egg grows outside of the uterus and becomes unviable, do not count as illegal abortions.
Texas state lawmakers passed a law that now gives a legal defense to health care providers who exercise “reasonable judgment in providing medical treatment” for an “ectopic pregnancy at any location” or a “previable premature rupture of membranes,” which is when a pregnant patient’s amniotic fluid breaks before a fetus is determined to be able to survive outside of the uterus.
https://capitol.texas.gov/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=88R&Bill=HB3058
Legislative Session: 88(R)
Add to Bill List
Last Action: 06/17/2023 E Effective on 9/1/23
Caption Version: Enrolled
Caption Text: Relating to the provision of certain medical treatment to a pregnant woman by a physician or health care provider.
Author: Johnson, Ann | Leach | Slawson | Howard | Thompson, Senfronia
Sponsor: Hughes
Cosponsor: Bettencourt | Eckhardt | Hinojosa | Kolkhorst
Subjects: Civil Remedies & Liabilities (I0065)
Health Care Providers (I0387)
Health--General (I0385)
PHARMACIES & PHARMACISTS (S1192)
PHYSICIANS (S1282)
PREGNANCY & CHILDBIRTH (S0294)
MEDICAL BOARD, TEXAS (V0644)
House Committee: Judiciary & Civil Jurisprudence
Viability – or when a fetus can survive outside of the uterus – depends on each pregnancy and various factors, according to the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists. The group recommends that patients who experience a premature water break be counseled about the risks of continuing or terminating the pregnancy. This should also include information about the realistic potential outcomes for the fetus. Risks associated with a premature rupture of membranes include infection, placental abruption and umbilical cord accidents.
State law also says the Texas Medical Board cannot take disciplinary action against a physician for providing such treatment, and that pharmacies and pharmacists who provide medication ordered by a physician in these circumstances also have a defense.
Texas abortion laws, however, don’t make an exception for lethal fetal abnormalities, forcing some pregnant patients to carry pregnancies to term even if they are not expected to have viable outcomes.
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/10/11/texas-abortion-law-birth-control-what-you-need-to-know/#:~:text=It%20is%20still%20illegal%20to,function”of%20a%20pregnant%20patient.
Anyway; the baby in this case has a very severe congenital condition and has a poor chance of survival. Mom currently isn’t in medical danger. Texas will not allow exceptions for that. Mom could drive to NM and get an abortion, but does not want to do so.
If the mother was currently in medical distress due to the pregnancy, she could have an abortion in the hospital in Texas. Because she’s not documented to have that happening, her choice is to continue the pregnancy, or drive to NM.
As a woman pregnant with a child who has a devastating medical condition, I’d do one or the other. Launching a legal campaign would be my last thought.
“Kate Cox’s life and future fertility are at great risk, and according to her doctor, the medical care that she needs is an abortion," Molly Duane, a senior staff attorney at the Center for Reproductive Rights, said in the hearing Thursday.“
If her life was truly in danger she would have her unborn baby removed/delivered/aborted at her local hospital.
The pregnant woman released a photo a few days ago; while I sympathize with her, she doesn’t look like her life is in danger at all. I don’t know why she doesn’t just go to NM and have an abortion there, if she is suffering so much and her unborn child is suffering so much.
Few prolife people will post here because dcum is full of unhinged nonsense claiming that women are being forced to give birth and have no control over their bodies, are too dumb to use birth control, are being held in baby production labs by the GOP, etc.
Personally I think this is a very sad situation that is being used by abortion rights activists to make Texas allow women to abort their babies.
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I’m fascinated by posters like this.
What it must be like to be this dumb. I used to assume everything was harder for them, but now I realize it’s the exact opposite.
Life is simple to simpletons.
Exactly!! They know EVERYTHING and they’re always right. isn’t that a neat trick?!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to know what the details are, […]
Hey, look everybody!! The people who don’t think women are people have finally shown up to the thread!
Hey pp that’s a lot of words to say “she should die to satisfy my blood lust.”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to know what the details are, but probably if this woman can’t go to the hospital and have a procedure to remove her baby, it’s because her baby is still alive, and (the mom) isn’t currently in medical danger from the pregnancy.
State law says treatments for miscarriages, known as “spontaneous abortions” in medicine, and ectopic pregnancies, in which a fertilized egg grows outside of the uterus and becomes unviable, do not count as illegal abortions.
Texas state lawmakers passed a law that now gives a legal defense to health care providers who exercise “reasonable judgment in providing medical treatment” for an “ectopic pregnancy at any location” or a “previable premature rupture of membranes,” which is when a pregnant patient’s amniotic fluid breaks before a fetus is determined to be able to survive outside of the uterus.
https://capitol.texas.gov/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=88R&Bill=HB3058
Legislative Session: 88(R)
Add to Bill List
Last Action: 06/17/2023 E Effective on 9/1/23
Caption Version: Enrolled
Caption Text: Relating to the provision of certain medical treatment to a pregnant woman by a physician or health care provider.
Author: Johnson, Ann | Leach | Slawson | Howard | Thompson, Senfronia
Sponsor: Hughes
Cosponsor: Bettencourt | Eckhardt | Hinojosa | Kolkhorst
Subjects: Civil Remedies & Liabilities (I0065)
Health Care Providers (I0387)
Health--General (I0385)
PHARMACIES & PHARMACISTS (S1192)
PHYSICIANS (S1282)
PREGNANCY & CHILDBIRTH (S0294)
MEDICAL BOARD, TEXAS (V0644)
House Committee: Judiciary & Civil Jurisprudence
Viability – or when a fetus can survive outside of the uterus – depends on each pregnancy and various factors, according to the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists. The group recommends that patients who experience a premature water break be counseled about the risks of continuing or terminating the pregnancy. This should also include information about the realistic potential outcomes for the fetus. Risks associated with a premature rupture of membranes include infection, placental abruption and umbilical cord accidents.
State law also says the Texas Medical Board cannot take disciplinary action against a physician for providing such treatment, and that pharmacies and pharmacists who provide medication ordered by a physician in these circumstances also have a defense.
Texas abortion laws, however, don’t make an exception for lethal fetal abnormalities, forcing some pregnant patients to carry pregnancies to term even if they are not expected to have viable outcomes.
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/10/11/texas-abortion-law-birth-control-what-you-need-to-know/#:~:text=It%20is%20still%20illegal%20to,function”of%20a%20pregnant%20patient.
Anyway; the baby in this case has a very severe congenital condition and has a poor chance of survival. Mom currently isn’t in medical danger. Texas will not allow exceptions for that. Mom could drive to NM and get an abortion, but does not want to do so.
If the mother was currently in medical distress due to the pregnancy, she could have an abortion in the hospital in Texas. Because she’s not documented to have that happening, her choice is to continue the pregnancy, or drive to NM.
As a woman pregnant with a child who has a devastating medical condition, I’d do one or the other. Launching a legal campaign would be my last thought.
“Kate Cox’s life and future fertility are at great risk, and according to her doctor, the medical care that she needs is an abortion," Molly Duane, a senior staff attorney at the Center for Reproductive Rights, said in the hearing Thursday.“
If her life was truly in danger she would have her unborn baby removed/delivered/aborted at her local hospital.
The pregnant woman released a photo a few days ago; while I sympathize with her, she doesn’t look like her life is in danger at all. I don’t know why she doesn’t just go to NM and have an abortion there, if she is suffering so much and her unborn child is suffering so much.
Few prolife people will post here because dcum is full of unhinged nonsense claiming that women are being forced to give birth and have no control over their bodies, are too dumb to use birth control, are being held in baby production labs by the GOP, etc.
Personally I think this is a very sad situation that is being used by abortion rights activists to make Texas allow women to abort their babies.
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I’m fascinated by posters like this.
What it must be like to be this dumb. I used to assume everything was harder for them, but now I realize it’s the exact opposite.
Life is simple to simpletons.
Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to know what the details are, […]
Anonymous wrote:This woman has been treated several times for leaking amniotic fluid with her fetus that has zero chance of survival so clearly that “exception” is not working.Texas state lawmakers passed a law that now gives a legal defense to health care providers who exercise “reasonable judgment in providing medical treatment” for an “ectopic pregnancy at any location” or a “previable premature rupture of membranes,” which is when a pregnant patient’s amniotic fluid breaks before a fetus is determined to be able to survive outside of the uterus.
I don’t know why she doesn’t just go to NM and have an abortion there, if she is suffering so much and her unborn child is suffering so much.
Real “the back of the bus is just as comfortable” energy here.
Few prolife people will post here because dcum is full of unhinged nonsense claiming that women are being forced to give birth and have no control over their bodies, are too dumb to use birth control, are being held in baby production labs by the GOP, etc.
This woman has literally been forced by her state government to remain pregnant against her will, against the recommendations of her doctor, and against what’s best for the rest of her family and potential future family. She has no control over her own body. And no one is claiming those other things you list.
Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to know what the details are, but probably if this woman can’t go to the hospital and have a procedure to remove her baby, it’s because her baby is still alive, and (the mom) isn’t currently in medical danger from the pregnancy.
State law says treatments for miscarriages, known as “spontaneous abortions” in medicine, and ectopic pregnancies, in which a fertilized egg grows outside of the uterus and becomes unviable, do not count as illegal abortions.
Texas state lawmakers passed a law that now gives a legal defense to health care providers who exercise “reasonable judgment in providing medical treatment” for an “ectopic pregnancy at any location” or a “previable premature rupture of membranes,” which is when a pregnant patient’s amniotic fluid breaks before a fetus is determined to be able to survive outside of the uterus.
https://capitol.texas.gov/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=88R&Bill=HB3058
Legislative Session: 88(R)
Add to Bill List
Last Action: 06/17/2023 E Effective on 9/1/23
Caption Version: Enrolled
Caption Text: Relating to the provision of certain medical treatment to a pregnant woman by a physician or health care provider.
Author: Johnson, Ann | Leach | Slawson | Howard | Thompson, Senfronia
Sponsor: Hughes
Cosponsor: Bettencourt | Eckhardt | Hinojosa | Kolkhorst
Subjects: Civil Remedies & Liabilities (I0065)
Health Care Providers (I0387)
Health--General (I0385)
PHARMACIES & PHARMACISTS (S1192)
PHYSICIANS (S1282)
PREGNANCY & CHILDBIRTH (S0294)
MEDICAL BOARD, TEXAS (V0644)
House Committee: Judiciary & Civil Jurisprudence
Viability – or when a fetus can survive outside of the uterus – depends on each pregnancy and various factors, according to the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists. The group recommends that patients who experience a premature water break be counseled about the risks of continuing or terminating the pregnancy. This should also include information about the realistic potential outcomes for the fetus. Risks associated with a premature rupture of membranes include infection, placental abruption and umbilical cord accidents.
State law also says the Texas Medical Board cannot take disciplinary action against a physician for providing such treatment, and that pharmacies and pharmacists who provide medication ordered by a physician in these circumstances also have a defense.
Texas abortion laws, however, don’t make an exception for lethal fetal abnormalities, forcing some pregnant patients to carry pregnancies to term even if they are not expected to have viable outcomes.
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/10/11/texas-abortion-law-birth-control-what-you-need-to-know/#:~:text=It%20is%20still%20illegal%20to,function”of%20a%20pregnant%20patient.
Anyway; the baby in this case has a very severe congenital condition and has a poor chance of survival. Mom currently isn’t in medical danger. Texas will not allow exceptions for that. Mom could drive to NM and get an abortion, but does not want to do so.
If the mother was currently in medical distress due to the pregnancy, she could have an abortion in the hospital in Texas. Because she’s not documented to have that happening, her choice is to continue the pregnancy, or drive to NM.
As a woman pregnant with a child who has a devastating medical condition, I’d do one or the other. Launching a legal campaign would be my last thought.
“Kate Cox’s life and future fertility are at great risk, and according to her doctor, the medical care that she needs is an abortion," Molly Duane, a senior staff attorney at the Center for Reproductive Rights, said in the hearing Thursday.“
If her life was truly in danger she would have her unborn baby removed/delivered/aborted at her local hospital.
The pregnant woman released a photo a few days ago; while I sympathize with her, she doesn’t look like her life is in danger at all. I don’t know why she doesn’t just go to NM and have an abortion there, if she is suffering so much and her unborn child is suffering so much.
Few prolife people will post here because dcum is full of unhinged nonsense claiming that women are being forced to give birth and have no control over their bodies, are too dumb to use birth control, are being held in baby production labs by the GOP, etc.
Personally I think this is a very sad situation that is being used by abortion rights activists to make Texas allow women to abort their babies.
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Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I thought Texas had a law whereby you could be prosecuted for helping someone flee the state to get an abortion. So, either she drives herself, or sneaks off on an out of stater’s jet to go somewhere else. But i think she might then get prosecuted in TX for going out of state.
Yes, currently her husband and anyone else who assists with her obtaining an abortion could be sued, by anyone regardless of standing or lack thereof, for up to $10,000. I don’t think they have a law that allows for prosecution yet. Missouri is working on that but I don’t think Texas has one that has passed yet.
Yes. This is what people don’t realize. Thousands and thousands of people could sue them for $10,000 each. They literally could go bankrupt and have their wages garnished for the rest of their lives. This is why they cannot leave to do it.
I think they should just say F it, leave TX, get it done, and never zone back. Then tell Paxton, Abbott, and Cruz where they can stick it. Be an example of not putting up with this insanity. Don't let the bastards win!
They have their lives, jobs, family in Texas. It is NOT EASY TO MOVE STATES, where the F should they go? Yours in incredibly very simplistic & unrealistic thinking. They should keep speaking out and WE need to invest & volunteer to flip TX blue.
It's all about politics. Not even giving $ to abortion rights groups and certainly not advocating for stupid things like - Just move. It's about changing who holds political power.
DP. But you think it’s somehow easier to flip Texas than it is for a couple to move states?
This woman has been treated several times for leaking amniotic fluid with her fetus that has zero chance of survival so clearly that “exception” is not working.Texas state lawmakers passed a law that now gives a legal defense to health care providers who exercise “reasonable judgment in providing medical treatment” for an “ectopic pregnancy at any location” or a “previable premature rupture of membranes,” which is when a pregnant patient’s amniotic fluid breaks before a fetus is determined to be able to survive outside of the uterus.
I don’t know why she doesn’t just go to NM and have an abortion there, if she is suffering so much and her unborn child is suffering so much.
Few prolife people will post here because dcum is full of unhinged nonsense claiming that women are being forced to give birth and have no control over their bodies, are too dumb to use birth control, are being held in baby production labs by the GOP, etc.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I thought Texas had a law whereby you could be prosecuted for helping someone flee the state to get an abortion. So, either she drives herself, or sneaks off on an out of stater’s jet to go somewhere else. But i think she might then get prosecuted in TX for going out of state.
Yes, currently her husband and anyone else who assists with her obtaining an abortion could be sued, by anyone regardless of standing or lack thereof, for up to $10,000. I don’t think they have a law that allows for prosecution yet. Missouri is working on that but I don’t think Texas has one that has passed yet.
Yes. This is what people don’t realize. Thousands and thousands of people could sue them for $10,000 each. They literally could go bankrupt and have their wages garnished for the rest of their lives. This is why they cannot leave to do it.
I think they should just say F it, leave TX, get it done, and never zone back. Then tell Paxton, Abbott, and Cruz where they can stick it. Be an example of not putting up with this insanity. Don't let the bastards win!
They have their lives, jobs, family in Texas. It is NOT EASY TO MOVE STATES, where the F should they go? Yours in incredibly very simplistic & unrealistic thinking. They should keep speaking out and WE need to invest & volunteer to flip TX blue.
It's all about politics. Not even giving $ to abortion rights groups and certainly not advocating for stupid things like - Just move. It's about changing who holds political power.
Anonymous wrote:How is any woman, anywhere, supporting Republican candidates? How does a Texan woman pull the lever for someone who put these laws into place. In 2023?