Anonymous
11/13/2023 13:03
Subject: It is Native American heritage month. What stolen land do you live on?
Do.not.care.
I’m sorry the native Americans got conquered by a superior military and technology. It happens all throughout history.
Now do the Roman, Egyptian, Mongol, etc empires. Or Australia, New Zealand, Israel, Canada, all of Central and South America too while you’re at it. Nobody in the world should live on any land!
I’m sorry the native Americans got conquered by a superior military and technology. It happens all throughout history.
Now do the Roman, Egyptian, Mongol, etc empires. Or Australia, New Zealand, Israel, Canada, all of Central and South America too while you’re at it. Nobody in the world should live on any land!
Anonymous
11/13/2023 12:58
Subject: It is Native American heritage month. What stolen land do you live on?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This thread has taken an odd derail. I’m not sure why PP is so fired up about learning some history, specifically that Jesus was a Jew. What does that have to do with Native American land acknowledgement?
I am one of the de-railers… my answer is because this side topic is more interesting than the main topic.
Land acknowledgments are patronizing, silly, pointless, virtue-signaling, empty, meaningless, etc. But speaking of history, my (admittedly limited) understanding is that many Native tribes didn’t even adhere to the concept of land ownership. It’s just land, you live on it sometimes and utilize the resources when you can, but no one “owns” it.
There were hundreds of tribes who probably had hundreds of conceptions of ownership. Some did see land as communal owned, rather than owned by individuals. That said, there's nothing about a typical land acknowledgement that requires a legal concept of ownership to make sense. Typically they're written something like "[Institution] acknowledges that the land on which we sit was, and is still, inhabited and cared for by the Susquehannock tribe, and Piscataway Peoples" or "We stand on the ancestral lands of the Nacotchtank and the Piscataway People." They're about who inhabits the land, not who owns it in a legal sense.
I also don't really see it as my place to decide if a gesture meant for another person is patronizing or silly. I know Indians who like them (including a local Piscataway who is quite happy to see his tribe get more notice) and I know Indians who think they're ridiculous. In that context, I'm neither going to demand them or denounce them.
Anonymous
11/13/2023 12:49
Subject: It is Native American heritage month. What stolen land do you live on?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This thread has taken an odd derail. I’m not sure why PP is so fired up about learning some history, specifically that Jesus was a Jew. What does that have to do with Native American land acknowledgement?
I am one of the de-railers… my answer is because this side topic is more interesting than the main topic.
Land acknowledgments are patronizing, silly, pointless, virtue-signaling, empty, meaningless, etc. But speaking of history, my (admittedly limited) understanding is that many Native tribes didn’t even adhere to the concept of land ownership. It’s just land, you live on it sometimes and utilize the resources when you can, but no one “owns” it.
Fair enough. It’s irritating when someone derails a thread with an entirely disprovable false claim.
Anonymous
11/13/2023 12:46
Subject: It is Native American heritage month. What stolen land do you live on?
Anonymous wrote:This thread has taken an odd derail. I’m not sure why PP is so fired up about learning some history, specifically that Jesus was a Jew. What does that have to do with Native American land acknowledgement?
I am one of the de-railers… my answer is because this side topic is more interesting than the main topic.
Land acknowledgments are patronizing, silly, pointless, virtue-signaling, empty, meaningless, etc. But speaking of history, my (admittedly limited) understanding is that many Native tribes didn’t even adhere to the concept of land ownership. It’s just land, you live on it sometimes and utilize the resources when you can, but no one “owns” it.
Anonymous
11/13/2023 12:43
Subject: It is Native American heritage month. What stolen land do you live on?
Anonymous wrote:I really don't care.
Give them money or don't. Whatever.
Yes, but I want to acknowledge everything properly.
Anonymous
11/13/2023 12:42
Subject: Re:It is Native American heritage month. What stolen land do you live on?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Now the last supper was a Passover seder?
Every time it gets more and more absurd. If it wasn't so disrespectful to members of a religion you're clumsily attempting to get on your side it would be comical. What on earth are you doing?
Your ignorance is simply astounding! You might just be the must uneducated person I have ever encountered. It’s remarkable.
Yes, JESUS WAS A JEW!!!! That’s not a disputed point by any Christian or biblical scholars. You can go ask the Pope, he’ll agree. Why are you arguing this? It’s nutty.
As for the last supper, well, no one knows for sure because it happened over 2,000 years ago, but the general consensus is that it was a Passover Seder. There are those who dispute that, but it’s a minority viewpoint and it’s generally from those who think the Gospels tuned Jesus’s last meal into a Seder for more effect. Here are the first three replies I found from a simple google search:
https://www.texaschildrens.org/blog/2013/03/was-meal-served-biblical-passover-seder-and-last-supper-healthy-one#:~:text=The%20Last%20Supper%20was%20a,reconciliation%20with%20God%20can%20occur.
https://bible.org/question/was-last-supper-passover-seder
https://catholicstraightanswers.com/passover-and-the-last-supper/
Although, I know you won’t read any of it. Your mind is blown that Jesus was a Jew because your minister taught you he was a Black Baptist. Why? Because your minister knows you wouldn’t be able to handle the philosophical elements of anything beyond that. He has to keep it simple for ya.
DP. Not a Christian. In Christian mythology, did Jesus himself claim to be the son of God, or did his followers declare him the son of God?
In Hebrew and Aramaic, Jesus claimed to be “the anointed one,” the Messiah who was prophesied in the Bible. After his death, his followers called him the Son of God. There is no evidence that he ever called himself that. In fact, the Council of Nicaea in AD 325 was when it was officially ruled that Jesus was the Son of God for Christians. As you can see that was well after his lifetime.
And this claim wouldn’t necessarily contradict his Jewish faith? (Essentially, is it still reasonable to believe that Jesus thought of himself as Jewish throughout his life and up to his death?)
Anonymous
11/13/2023 12:41
Subject: It is Native American heritage month. What stolen land do you live on?
This thread has taken an odd derail. I’m not sure why PP is so fired up about learning some history, specifically that Jesus was a Jew. What does that have to do with Native American land acknowledgement?
Anonymous
11/13/2023 12:33
Subject: Re:It is Native American heritage month. What stolen land do you live on?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Now the last supper was a Passover seder?
Every time it gets more and more absurd. If it wasn't so disrespectful to members of a religion you're clumsily attempting to get on your side it would be comical. What on earth are you doing?
Your ignorance is simply astounding! You might just be the must uneducated person I have ever encountered. It’s remarkable.
Yes, JESUS WAS A JEW!!!! That’s not a disputed point by any Christian or biblical scholars. You can go ask the Pope, he’ll agree. Why are you arguing this? It’s nutty.
As for the last supper, well, no one knows for sure because it happened over 2,000 years ago, but the general consensus is that it was a Passover Seder. There are those who dispute that, but it’s a minority viewpoint and it’s generally from those who think the Gospels tuned Jesus’s last meal into a Seder for more effect. Here are the first three replies I found from a simple google search:
https://www.texaschildrens.org/blog/2013/03/was-meal-served-biblical-passover-seder-and-last-supper-healthy-one#:~:text=The%20Last%20Supper%20was%20a,reconciliation%20with%20God%20can%20occur.
https://bible.org/question/was-last-supper-passover-seder
https://catholicstraightanswers.com/passover-and-the-last-supper/
Although, I know you won’t read any of it. Your mind is blown that Jesus was a Jew because your minister taught you he was a Black Baptist. Why? Because your minister knows you wouldn’t be able to handle the philosophical elements of anything beyond that. He has to keep it simple for ya.
DP. Not a Christian. In Christian mythology, did Jesus himself claim to be the son of God, or did his followers declare him the son of God?
In Hebrew and Aramaic, Jesus claimed to be “the anointed one,” the Messiah who was prophesied in the Bible. After his death, his followers called him the Son of God. There is no evidence that he ever called himself that. In fact, the Council of Nicaea in AD 325 was when it was officially ruled that Jesus was the Son of God for Christians. As you can see that was well after his lifetime.
Anonymous
11/13/2023 12:32
Subject: It is Native American heritage month. What stolen land do you live on?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This thread has gotten seriously derailed.
Land acknowledgments are such a silly pretension.
Agreed. At what point in history are we supposed to return to? Get over it, your ancestors lost. Now try to move on and live well in the society that now exists here.
Agreed.
Do you get to tell people to "just get over" genocide of their people? I doubt you would feel the same if your family was murdered and they took your home and all your possessions.
Yes. This did happen to my people. I am of Irish descent, my ancestors were conquered by the English. They fled to American and made a new life here peacefully. They did not drag terror extremism to American, they worked hard to make a better living here in their new homeland and condemned the use of terrorist groups (IRA) back in their native country.
Wait, you’re saying the Irish weren’t terrorists? Seriously? I’ve got some reading for you.
Get a grip. Do you know what the IRA refers to? You sound uneducated and more and more deranged as the thread progresses.
This person is saying that as Irish Americans they condemn terrorism and violence perpetrated by Irish terrorists.
Anonymous
11/13/2023 12:25
Subject: Re:It is Native American heritage month. What stolen land do you live on?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Now the last supper was a Passover seder?
Every time it gets more and more absurd. If it wasn't so disrespectful to members of a religion you're clumsily attempting to get on your side it would be comical. What on earth are you doing?
Your ignorance is simply astounding! You might just be the must uneducated person I have ever encountered. It’s remarkable.
Yes, JESUS WAS A JEW!!!! That’s not a disputed point by any Christian or biblical scholars. You can go ask the Pope, he’ll agree. Why are you arguing this? It’s nutty.
As for the last supper, well, no one knows for sure because it happened over 2,000 years ago, but the general consensus is that it was a Passover Seder. There are those who dispute that, but it’s a minority viewpoint and it’s generally from those who think the Gospels tuned Jesus’s last meal into a Seder for more effect. Here are the first three replies I found from a simple google search:
https://www.texaschildrens.org/blog/2013/03/was-meal-served-biblical-passover-seder-and-last-supper-healthy-one#:~:text=The%20Last%20Supper%20was%20a,reconciliation%20with%20God%20can%20occur.
https://bible.org/question/was-last-supper-passover-seder
https://catholicstraightanswers.com/passover-and-the-last-supper/
Although, I know you won’t read any of it. Your mind is blown that Jesus was a Jew because your minister taught you he was a Black Baptist. Why? Because your minister knows you wouldn’t be able to handle the philosophical elements of anything beyond that. He has to keep it simple for ya.
DP. Not a Christian. In Christian mythology, did Jesus himself claim to be the son of God, or did his followers declare him the son of God?
Anonymous
11/13/2023 12:22
Subject: It is Native American heritage month. What stolen land do you live on?
I'm the Jewish child of a holocaust survivor, Native American (if Native Central American counts, my grandmother was from Guatemala) as well as the descendant of many colonizers as some would term them. Should I be paying part of myself back from the part of myself that comes from British/German/Spanish/French ancestry?
Anonymous
11/13/2023 12:20
Subject: It is Native American heritage month. What stolen land do you live on?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This thread has gotten seriously derailed.
Land acknowledgments are such a silly pretension.
Agreed. At what point in history are we supposed to return to? Get over it, your ancestors lost. Now try to move on and live well in the society that now exists here.
Agreed.
Do you get to tell people to "just get over" genocide of their people? I doubt you would feel the same if your family was murdered and they took your home and all your possessions.
Yes. This did happen to my people. I am of Irish descent, my ancestors were conquered by the English. They fled to American and made a new life here peacefully. They did not drag terror extremism to American, they worked hard to make a better living here in their new homeland and condemned the use of terrorist groups (IRA) back in their native country.
Wait, you’re saying the Irish weren’t terrorists? Seriously? I’ve got some reading for you.
Anonymous
11/13/2023 12:19
Subject: It is Native American heritage month. What stolen land do you live on?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This thread has gotten seriously derailed.
Land acknowledgments are such a silly pretension.
Agreed. At what point in history are we supposed to return to? Get over it, your ancestors lost. Now try to move on and live well in the society that now exists here.
Agreed.
Do you get to tell people to "just get over" genocide of their people? I doubt you would feel the same if your family was murdered and they took your home and all your possessions.
I’m a Jew descendant of a holocaust survivor married to a Native American. Neither of us are over what happened to our people, but neither wants land back.
To make this such trite conversation about the brutal murder of innocent people just to prove a point makes me again realize how ignorant the general American population is.
Anonymous
11/13/2023 12:17
Subject: It is Native American heritage month. What stolen land do you live on?
I really don't care.
Give them money or don't. Whatever.
Give them money or don't. Whatever.
Anonymous
11/13/2023 12:17
Subject: It is Native American heritage month. What stolen land do you live on?
Back to the topic, I'm currently sitting on my couch. We got it in a crazy sale, it was totally worth more than what we paid. Should I call lazy boy and apologize and give them more money?