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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. She gets home at 6:15pm. That’s plenty of time to grab drinks with friends, go to the gym, watch a show, make a dinner, take a shower or some combo.

I think part of the problem is that work takes your prime energy hours and leaves you with the exhausting evening hours. Add in things like cooking dinner, needing to get laundry done, other chores and childcare, there just isn’t much usable time in the evening. What good is free time if everything else is zapping your energy to make the most of that free time.

Honestly this is why I work from home. I want to go for a run or grocery shop in the middle of the day, not at 7 pm.

The TikTok poster doesn’t have kids. When I was in my 20s I worked from 7:30 am- 5:00 pm most weekdays. I was home by 5:15 (yes yes very short commute), cooked some ten minute dinner or ordered food, and still had time to watch tv or workout or grab drinks with friends. I did laundry maybe once a week on weekends. I had five hours after work each day to do whatever I wanted, and all weekend. I always wanted more free time but certainly didn’t feel burned out or anything. She just doesn’t want to work.

And she has a job not a career. She is working bare minimum. When I was 23 I worked 830 am to 630 pm every day. With a 3 hour round trip total time commute. And we had to wear suits so all that time and expense. Guess what I dated, went to happy hours, ski trips, vacations. When you are young you have endless energy.

The sad part is younger people are stupid. You see when I was 23-45 we worked long hard hours and watched the 45-65 years drop like flies and we moved up lady quickly.

Today 2/3rds my senior mgt team are old as hills. Showing up on Jeans, working remote 1/2 the time, leaving early. I doubt anf of these fossils could get up 6 an put in a suit, do an hour commute work 10 hours straight everyday and hour commute home with no lunch break as too busy and no WFH. They all retire or be fired. Opening up VP and SVP roles for younger people.

If anything this tic tick person should want 14 hour work days mandatory in person and watch profits soar through roof and old people drop like flies so she is SVP by 35.

Yes, as you age, you have less energy. (You also have fewer f&cks to give.) And?

Human resources are, well, human. A good HR policy accommodates people's humanity. So what if they wear comfortable clothes and work from home, if they are contributing to the common goals?

And FYI: Working 55 hours a week increases the risk of death: https://www.who.int/news/item/17-05-2021-long-working-hours-increasing-deaths-from-heart-disease-and-stroke-who-ilo

The study concludes that working 55 or more hours per week is associated with an estimated 35% higher risk of a stroke and a 17% higher risk of dying from ischemic heart disease, compared to working 35-40 hours a week.

"This work-related disease burden is particularly significant in men (72% of deaths occurred among males), people living in the Western Pacific and South-East Asia regions, and middle-aged or older workers. Most of the deaths recorded were among people dying aged 60-79 years, who had worked for 55 hours or more per week between the ages of 45 and 74 years."

The Japanese and even now India are infamous for long working hours. I've had exposure to that environment and it is insane.

I find my 50 hour week, sometimes closer to 60 a few times a year, perfectly manageable. I like the income that comes with it. No interest in being poor. Feel free to stop working or shift to a easier workload but don't expect me to fund it.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. She gets home at 6:15pm. That’s plenty of time to grab drinks with friends, go to the gym, watch a show, make a dinner, take a shower or some combo.

I think part of the problem is that work takes your prime energy hours and leaves you with the exhausting evening hours. Add in things like cooking dinner, needing to get laundry done, other chores and childcare, there just isn’t much usable time in the evening. What good is free time if everything else is zapping your energy to make the most of that free time.

Honestly this is why I work from home. I want to go for a run or grocery shop in the middle of the day, not at 7 pm.

The TikTok poster doesn’t have kids. When I was in my 20s I worked from 7:30 am- 5:00 pm most weekdays. I was home by 5:15 (yes yes very short commute), cooked some ten minute dinner or ordered food, and still had time to watch tv or workout or grab drinks with friends. I did laundry maybe once a week on weekends. I had five hours after work each day to do whatever I wanted, and all weekend. I always wanted more free time but certainly didn’t feel burned out or anything. She just doesn’t want to work.

And she has a job not a career. She is working bare minimum. When I was 23 I worked 830 am to 630 pm every day. With a 3 hour round trip total time commute. And we had to wear suits so all that time and expense. Guess what I dated, went to happy hours, ski trips, vacations. When you are young you have endless energy.

The sad part is younger people are stupid. You see when I was 23-45 we worked long hard hours and watched the 45-65 years drop like flies and we moved up lady quickly.

Today 2/3rds my senior mgt team are old as hills. Showing up on Jeans, working remote 1/2 the time, leaving early. I doubt anf of these fossils could get up 6 an put in a suit, do an hour commute work 10 hours straight everyday and hour commute home with no lunch break as too busy and no WFH. They all retire or be fired. Opening up VP and SVP roles for younger people.

If anything this tic tick person should want 14 hour work days mandatory in person and watch profits soar through roof and old people drop like flies so she is SVP by 35.

Yes, as you age, you have less energy. (You also have fewer f&cks to give.) And?

Human resources are, well, human. A good HR policy accommodates people's humanity. So what if they wear comfortable clothes and work from home, if they are contributing to the common goals?

And FYI: Working 55 hours a week increases the risk of death: https://www.who.int/news/item/17-05-2021-long-working-hours-increasing-deaths-from-heart-disease-and-stroke-who-ilo

The study concludes that working 55 or more hours per week is associated with an estimated 35% higher risk of a stroke and a 17% higher risk of dying from ischemic heart disease, compared to working 35-40 hours a week.

She posted a follow up Tik Tok where she makes even more ridiculous statements but I give her grace because she’s young and just figuring it out. But no one should be surprised in 2023 when you put someone on public social media and it goes viral with people commenting or arguing against what you said. Her feelings are valid even if she sounds entitled and unrealistic. However her complaints that people are arguing back, I want to say well, what did you expect when you have a public tik tok account?!

In her new video she complains: 1) she knows others in hundreds of thousands of debt for their marketing degrees (yikes, that an entirely different topic, I hope she just made that up), 2) that she sent out 10,000 resumes and it took her 5 months to get 1 interview and that’s the job she has now (which makes me wonder where was her college career services in all of this?), 3) that since she only got 1 offer, she didn’t have her pick between cities so she had to take a job in NYC and she thus could only afford to live in Jersey (I feel this, my first job out of grad school was in Baltimore and I was commuting from NOVA via MARC, was brutal), 4) that no one hires college grads because no one wants to train them (I have no idea if that’s true) so no one she knows can get a job, 5) that she’s glad she doesn’t have kids or a pet and acknowledges how much harder that is, and 6) that college doesn’t prepare you to be on a 9-5 schedule so her body cannot acclimate to being in one once for that long (I laughed hard at this one).

She also said people were trying to find out where she worked and to stop (that’s a danger of social media). She said she really liked her job and was thankful for it. Maybe she should team up with the other viral tik toker who also has a marketing degree but was complaining she couldn’t get a job out of school that paid $200,000 a year so she’s going to be a waitress instead.

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Anonymous wrote:The transition to life after college can be difficult with adjusting to a new schedule and increased independence.

"A college graduate, who recently began her first job, took to TikTok to vent about her struggles with the new phase of her life. Brielle, who goes by the username @brielleybelly123 on the platform, posted a video with text across the screen that read: “QOTD (question of the day) in a 9-5 how do u have time for ur life.”

As someone who works full time in a very full time job (60 hours a week), and handles all of the responsibilities of a special needs kid, has a home made dinner on the table every night, has a husband who wants me to commit a certain amount of emotional and physical time to him, no nanny, etc etc, I do find it charming when 22 year olds complain about having no free time. I remember having my current job pre kids. I worked a lot, but even still there was a LOT of free time every week. Now I have maybe twenty mins a day where I’m not committed to someone or something else.

How do the boots taste?

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Anonymous wrote:Americans are soft.

My great grandfather worked 7:00 am - 6:00 pm M-F and 7:00 am - 12:00 noon on Saturdays. Saturday afternoon and Sunday all day he was off.

His schedule was common for city workers.

This was in the early 1900's.

So when was he raising his kids? Parenting isn’t confined to only Saturday afternoons and Sundays?

Pretty sure his wife was raising the kids and cooking and cleaning and keeping the house. My great-grandfather was a construction manager and was up at dawn to drive to the sites and didn't get home till after six five days a week plus half days Saturday. His wife managed the house and cooked and cleaned and did the marketing and raised the four kids. From what my mother remembered, the only moment of "leisure" she had was sitting on the porch shelling peas for dinner or her church activities. Other than that she was on her feet all day long doing chores. They were a smack dab in the middle middle class family of the early to mid 20th century.

The thing about this traditional model of working father and homemaker mother is that actually does work well because each side is seen as contributing something towards the family's existence.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. She gets home at 6:15pm. That’s plenty of time to grab drinks with friends, go to the gym, watch a show, make a dinner, take a shower or some combo.

I think part of the problem is that work takes your prime energy hours and leaves you with the exhausting evening hours. Add in things like cooking dinner, needing to get laundry done, other chores and childcare, there just isn’t much usable time in the evening. What good is free time if everything else is zapping your energy to make the most of that free time.

Honestly this is why I work from home. I want to go for a run or grocery shop in the middle of the day, not at 7 pm.

The TikTok poster doesn’t have kids. When I was in my 20s I worked from 7:30 am- 5:00 pm most weekdays. I was home by 5:15 (yes yes very short commute), cooked some ten minute dinner or ordered food, and still had time to watch tv or workout or grab drinks with friends. I did laundry maybe once a week on weekends. I had five hours after work each day to do whatever I wanted, and all weekend. I always wanted more free time but certainly didn’t feel burned out or anything. She just doesn’t want to work.

Honestly I think it’s her commute. In my 20s I could either walk to work or had a very short drive. I spent a summer in college doing an internship in my home city that involved a hellacious interstate commute from my parents’ home (where I could live for free) to downtown. The stress of the drive and unpredictability of traffic was just draining. I knew I never wanted to live like that even if it met sharing a small space with roommates. Long car commutes are one of the worst things for physical and mental health. Even now I live in a smaller, close-in house. I no longer go into the office since COVID but my DH does at times and we just don’t want either of us to ever waste our time in a car. The TikTok poster would be happier if she’d just slum it with some other kids her age closer to the city.

For a lot of them, it's still not affordable. We have kids at my work who are starting as gs-9s and they share a basement bedroom, sometimes 3 in a bedroom, in Virginia. They can't afford DC, even with roommates.

+100 my brother is a police officer after doing 6 years in the military. He makes $62,000 and shares a 2 bedroom basement apartment with 3 guys which I think is around $775 each.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. She gets home at 6:15pm. That’s plenty of time to grab drinks with friends, go to the gym, watch a show, make a dinner, take a shower or some combo.

I think part of the problem is that work takes your prime energy hours and leaves you with the exhausting evening hours. Add in things like cooking dinner, needing to get laundry done, other chores and childcare, there just isn’t much usable time in the evening. What good is free time if everything else is zapping your energy to make the most of that free time.

Honestly this is why I work from home. I want to go for a run or grocery shop in the middle of the day, not at 7 pm.

The TikTok poster doesn’t have kids. When I was in my 20s I worked from 7:30 am- 5:00 pm most weekdays. I was home by 5:15 (yes yes very short commute), cooked some ten minute dinner or ordered food, and still had time to watch tv or workout or grab drinks with friends. I did laundry maybe once a week on weekends. I had five hours after work each day to do whatever I wanted, and all weekend. I always wanted more free time but certainly didn’t feel burned out or anything. She just doesn’t want to work.

Honestly I think it’s her commute. In my 20s I could either walk to work or had a very short drive. I spent a summer in college doing an internship in my home city that involved a hellacious interstate commute from my parents’ home (where I could live for free) to downtown. The stress of the drive and unpredictability of traffic was just draining. I knew I never wanted to live like that even if it met sharing a small space with roommates. Long car commutes are one of the worst things for physical and mental health. Even now I live in a smaller, close-in house. I no longer go into the office since COVID but my DH does at times and we just don’t want either of us to ever waste our time in a car. The TikTok poster would be happier if she’d just slum it with some other kids her age closer to the city.

For a lot of them, it's still not affordable. We have kids at my work who are starting as gs-9s and they share a basement bedroom, sometimes 3 in a bedroom, in Virginia. They can't afford DC, even with roommates.

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Anonymous wrote:The transition to life after college can be difficult with adjusting to a new schedule and increased independence.

"A college graduate, who recently began her first job, took to TikTok to vent about her struggles with the new phase of her life. Brielle, who goes by the username @brielleybelly123 on the platform, posted a video with text across the screen that read: “QOTD (question of the day) in a 9-5 how do u have time for ur life.”

As someone who works full time in a very full time job (60 hours a week), and handles all of the responsibilities of a special needs kid, has a home made dinner on the table every night, has a husband who wants me to commit a certain amount of emotional and physical time to him, no nanny, etc etc, I do find it charming when 22 year olds complain about having no free time. I remember having my current job pre kids. I worked a lot, but even still there was a LOT of free time every week. Now I have maybe twenty mins a day where I’m not committed to someone or something else.

+1 I don't see why 9-5 is taxing for a young person with no other responsibilities. When I was that age and stage, I was going out to happy hours after work, meeting friends for dinner, social sports, weekends totally free.

This is absurd.

She has a 3 to 4 hour commute. The housing price is so high now.

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Anonymous wrote:Americans are soft.

My great grandfather worked 7:00 am - 6:00 pm M-F and 7:00 am - 12:00 noon on Saturdays. Saturday afternoon and Sunday all day he was off.

His schedule was common for city workers.

This was in the early 1900's.

So when was he raising his kids? Parenting isn’t confined to only Saturday afternoons and Sundays?

Hence Korean birthrate is below 0.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. She gets home at 6:15pm. That’s plenty of time to grab drinks with friends, go to the gym, watch a show, make a dinner, take a shower or some combo.

I think part of the problem is that work takes your prime energy hours and leaves you with the exhausting evening hours. Add in things like cooking dinner, needing to get laundry done, other chores and childcare, there just isn’t much usable time in the evening. What good is free time if everything else is zapping your energy to make the most of that free time.

Honestly this is why I work from home. I want to go for a run or grocery shop in the middle of the day, not at 7 pm.

The TikTok poster doesn’t have kids. When I was in my 20s I worked from 7:30 am- 5:00 pm most weekdays. I was home by 5:15 (yes yes very short commute), cooked some ten minute dinner or ordered food, and still had time to watch tv or workout or grab drinks with friends. I did laundry maybe once a week on weekends. I had five hours after work each day to do whatever I wanted, and all weekend. I always wanted more free time but certainly didn’t feel burned out or anything. She just doesn’t want to work.

Honestly I think it’s her commute. In my 20s I could either walk to work or had a very short drive. I spent a summer in college doing an internship in my home city that involved a hellacious interstate commute from my parents’ home (where I could live for free) to downtown. The stress of the drive and unpredictability of traffic was just draining. I knew I never wanted to live like that even if it met sharing a small space with roommates. Long car commutes are one of the worst things for physical and mental health. Even now I live in a smaller, close-in house. I no longer go into the office since COVID but my DH does at times and we just don’t want either of us to ever waste our time in a car. The TikTok poster would be happier if she’d just slum it with some other kids her age closer to the city.

There is a fundamental loss here of a generation who thinks they can take more than they give to a system. Our lives are more comfortable than ever before in human history. We benefit from society, from everyone’s work, as obvious examples: the coal miner, the farmer, the truck driver, they all enable our comfort. So we white collar workers must also contribute by things like creating legal contracts that reduce conflict. Our work is detached now and meaning can be hard to discern, but it all has dignity.

would this woman be happier chopping her own wood, pulling her own water? Maybe she should move to Amish country and try it out. I think she will miss her desk job but who knows. I think mostly she misses her mom and dad taking care of many things for her.

Anonymous wrote:Americans are soft.

My great grandfather worked 7:00 am - 6:00 pm M-F and 7:00 am - 12:00 noon on Saturdays. Saturday afternoon and Sunday all day he was off.

His schedule was common for city workers.

This was in the early 1900's.

Sounds like his employers made a lot of good money off of him. Good for them.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. She gets home at 6:15pm. That’s plenty of time to grab drinks with friends, go to the gym, watch a show, make a dinner, take a shower or some combo.

I think part of the problem is that work takes your prime energy hours and leaves you with the exhausting evening hours. Add in things like cooking dinner, needing to get laundry done, other chores and childcare, there just isn’t much usable time in the evening. What good is free time if everything else is zapping your energy to make the most of that free time.

Honestly this is why I work from home. I want to go for a run or grocery shop in the middle of the day, not at 7 pm.

The TikTok poster doesn’t have kids. When I was in my 20s I worked from 7:30 am- 5:00 pm most weekdays. I was home by 5:15 (yes yes very short commute), cooked some ten minute dinner or ordered food, and still had time to watch tv or workout or grab drinks with friends. I did laundry maybe once a week on weekends. I had five hours after work each day to do whatever I wanted, and all weekend. I always wanted more free time but certainly didn’t feel burned out or anything. She just doesn’t want to work.

And she has a job not a career. She is working bare minimum. When I was 23 I worked 830 am to 630 pm every day. With a 3 hour round trip total time commute. And we had to wear suits so all that time and expense. Guess what I dated, went to happy hours, ski trips, vacations. When you are young you have endless energy.

The sad part is younger people are stupid. You see when I was 23-45 we worked long hard hours and watched the 45-65 years drop like flies and we moved up lady quickly.

Today 2/3rds my senior mgt team are old as hills. Showing up on Jeans, working remote 1/2 the time, leaving early. I doubt anf of these fossils could get up 6 an put in a suit, do an hour commute work 10 hours straight everyday and hour commute home with no lunch break as too busy and no WFH. They all retire or be fired. Opening up VP and SVP roles for younger people.

If anything this tic tick person should want 14 hour work days mandatory in person and watch profits soar through roof and old people drop like flies so she is SVP by 35.

Anonymous wrote:Americans are soft.

My great grandfather worked 7:00 am - 6:00 pm M-F and 7:00 am - 12:00 noon on Saturdays. Saturday afternoon and Sunday all day he was off.

His schedule was common for city workers.

This was in the early 1900's.

So when was he raising his kids? Parenting isn’t confined to only Saturday afternoons and Sundays?

Anonymous wrote:Americans are soft.

My great grandfather worked 7:00 am - 6:00 pm M-F and 7:00 am - 12:00 noon on Saturdays. Saturday afternoon and Sunday all day he was off.

His schedule was common for city workers.

This was in the early 1900's.

Soft is a person who tolerates that treatment