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Anonymous wrote:Wranglers are coffins on wheels. Good luck with that!

Cool, so when I’m dead they can bury me in mine?

Yeah assuming they can find all your body pieces

If I'm dead, I don't think I need to worry about all my body parts.

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Anonymous wrote:So. For all the Jeep haters. What did you drive in high school?? And what do you drive now??

In high school I drove something called a “station wagon” because I had a bunch of younger siblings.

Now I drive a minivan or a CRV.

It’s ok not to drive a Jeep.

Why isn't it ok to drive a Jeep? Why do you NEED to drive minivan or CVR? A CVR is really small so in a crash its not going to hold up well.

Is your statement based on crash data?

That data was very very limited and based off one test for one specific model and not all the other features some of us get offered. Look at real world crashes. Just as many Minivans and CVR's get totaled, maybe more.

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Anonymous wrote:Noting the poor IIHS reviews on the 2019-2023 Wranglers, and also noting the massive number of Wranglers I see on the road. I know people probably cannot answer this question with any precision, but what gives? Do others just have a higher risk tolerance than I do? DC wants a Wrangler (and seems that most of the drivers I see on the road in a Wrangler are teens). Seems an easy choice - don't get one.

some idiots think wranglers are cool to drive
some idiots think accidents only happen to others
some idiots think they can't possibly get into an accident because they are excellent drivers
some idiots think chicks dig wranglers

Enjoy your subway trip!!

Subways aren't entirely safe either.

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Anonymous wrote:So. For all the Jeep haters. What did you drive in high school?? And what do you drive now??

In high school I drove something called a “station wagon” because I had a bunch of younger siblings.

Now I drive a minivan or a CRV.

It’s ok not to drive a Jeep.

Why isn't it ok to drive a Jeep? Why do you NEED to drive minivan or CVR? A CVR is really small so in a crash its not going to hold up well.

Is your statement based on crash data?

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Anonymous wrote:So. For all the Jeep haters. What did you drive in high school?? And what do you drive now??

In high school I drove something called a “station wagon” because I had a bunch of younger siblings.

Now I drive a minivan or a CRV.

It’s ok not to drive a Jeep.

Why isn't it ok to drive a Jeep? Why do you NEED to drive minivan or CVR? A CVR is really small so in a crash its not going to hold up well.

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Anonymous wrote:Wranglers are coffins on wheels. Good luck with that!

Cool, so when I’m dead they can bury me in mine?

Yeah assuming they can find all your body pieces

Why wouldn't they vs. any other vehicle? My roof doesn't come off and when the roof is open we have a sunscreen. All the parts will stay in the jeep.

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Anonymous wrote:Noting the poor IIHS reviews on the 2019-2023 Wranglers, and also noting the massive number of Wranglers I see on the road. I know people probably cannot answer this question with any precision, but what gives? Do others just have a higher risk tolerance than I do? DC wants a Wrangler (and seems that most of the drivers I see on the road in a Wrangler are teens). Seems an easy choice - don't get one.

some idiots think wranglers are cool to drive
some idiots think accidents only happen to others
some idiots think they can't possibly get into an accident because they are excellent drivers
some idiots think chicks dig wranglers

I hope you enjoy your cute Prius with your Coexist sticker!!

With the O'Bummer or Killary bumper sticker

Anonymous wrote:So. For all the Jeep haters. What did you drive in high school?? And what do you drive now??

In high school I drove something called a “station wagon” because I had a bunch of younger siblings.

Now I drive a minivan or a CRV.

It’s ok not to drive a Jeep.

So. For all the Jeep haters. What did you drive in high school?? And what do you drive now??

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Anonymous wrote:Noting the poor IIHS reviews on the 2019-2023 Wranglers, and also noting the massive number of Wranglers I see on the road. I know people probably cannot answer this question with any precision, but what gives? Do others just have a higher risk tolerance than I do? DC wants a Wrangler (and seems that most of the drivers I see on the road in a Wrangler are teens). Seems an easy choice - don't get one.

some idiots think wranglers are cool to drive
some idiots think accidents only happen to others
some idiots think they can't possibly get into an accident because they are excellent drivers
some idiots think chicks dig wranglers

Enjoy your subway trip!!

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Anonymous wrote:Noting the poor IIHS reviews on the 2019-2023 Wranglers, and also noting the massive number of Wranglers I see on the road. I know people probably cannot answer this question with any precision, but what gives? Do others just have a higher risk tolerance than I do? DC wants a Wrangler (and seems that most of the drivers I see on the road in a Wrangler are teens). Seems an easy choice - don't get one.

some idiots think wranglers are cool to drive
some idiots think accidents only happen to others
some idiots think they can't possibly get into an accident because they are excellent drivers
some idiots think chicks dig wranglers

I hope you enjoy your cute Prius with your Coexist sticker!!

Anonymous wrote:Wranglers are coffins on wheels. Good luck with that!

You will find that your local fire department employees drive Jeeps for a reason.

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Anonymous wrote:Most folks with DCUM. Do not believe in anything fun. The only fun they have is driving a sensible Prius to Trader Joe's! Of course while listening to NPR!!

I got my wrangler as I was tired of boring sensible SUV's..

PP here. I am not pro or anti Wrangler. I am just looking for rational, factual, supportable reasons to get one for my new driver. Serioulsy looking. This thread has been very helpful with that, and only a few buttheads spouting nonsense/ad hominem attacks. Thanks for all of the responses.

Other than buying your new driver one for fun, there are no rational reasons. They are expensive, have poor reliability rankings, have limited storage capacity, poor mileage and below average safety ratings. So if you are making an informed decision and not going by anecdotal replies here, you are only buying a Jeep because its fun - and you probably enjoy the idea of your kids being very happy with you. Seems that simple.

This pretty much nails it. A Jeep is a princess purchase. They're uncomfortable, unreliable, and aren't even the best 4WD at that price point. They're a canvas for a "don't tread on me" or "silly boys, girls like jeeps too" license plate frame. The storage is awful and the interior feels smaller than it should. I'd happily get rid of ours except it's paid for and we don't drive it more than a few hundred miles a month. But it's fun and that's okay. Just make sure your driver understands how to get the most out of 4WD and has solid roadside assistance coverage.

Ours has never been on a tow truck! But we only have 220,000 on it. We have been to Key West in it on our lap of Florida. It is actually more comfortable than my wife's Outback on road trips!! But not as good as our new King Ranch F250!
I would have zero hesitation on driving our Wrangler Unlimited cross country today. Very reliable and easy to fix if it did have an issue. Any auto parts store will have any needed part and most likely could be fixed in the parking lot. I bet you ladies can't say the same about whatever you are driving!

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Anonymous wrote:Most folks with DCUM. Do not believe in anything fun. The only fun they have is driving a sensible Prius to Trader Joe's! Of course while listening to NPR!!

I got my wrangler as I was tired of boring sensible SUV's..

PP here. I am not pro or anti Wrangler. I am just looking for rational, factual, supportable reasons to get one for my new driver. Serioulsy looking. This thread has been very helpful with that, and only a few buttheads spouting nonsense/ad hominem attacks. Thanks for all of the responses.

Other than buying your new driver one for fun, there are no rational reasons. They are expensive, have poor reliability rankings, have limited storage capacity, poor mileage and below average safety ratings. So if you are making an informed decision and not going by anecdotal replies here, you are only buying a Jeep because its fun - and you probably enjoy the idea of your kids being very happy with you. Seems that simple.

This pretty much nails it. A Jeep is a princess purchase. They're uncomfortable, unreliable, and aren't even the best 4WD at that price point. They're a canvas for a "don't tread on me" or "silly boys, girls like jeeps too" license plate frame. The storage is awful and the interior feels smaller than it should. I'd happily get rid of ours except it's paid for and we don't drive it more than a few hundred miles a month. But it's fun and that's okay. Just make sure your driver understands how to get the most out of 4WD and has solid roadside assistance coverage.

My first of two Jeeps was a 2-door wrangler sport, which I lifted and got bigger than stock all terrain tires (it was my late 20's toy second car), and it was surprisingly bad in the snow. It would fish tail and slide around pretty easily... my second stock Jeep Rubicon did better in the snow, but still wasn't nearly as confidence inspiring as my Ford SUV was in the snow. I always assumed the 2-door Jeeps weren't great in the snow because of their lighter weight and the short wheelbase. I knew a couple of Jeep owners that swapped out for snow tires each winter for the same reason. I only bring this up because I think some people assume 4WD = great in snow. And that wasn't my experience.

For sure! You have to know when to air down, when to use 4H vs 4L, etc. Half the cars getting towed off the sand in Corolla are Jeeps that people assumed would be great on sand.

Some Jeeps have mud tires on them. Mud tires are terrible in snow. When we had 30 to 40 inches of snow in Western Loudoun a few years back. I had just put a fresh set of BF Goodrich KO2s. ( Mountain and Snowflake symbol rated) Aired down to 12 psi and let it rip. Kept hitting it and staying on the Rev limiter. After a couple of tries I made it out without getting stuck!!

Ours has 220,000 on it. I'd have no problem hopping in it today and driving cross country. Not much to break on a Wrangler and they are designed to be able to be fixed on the side of a trail. Easy to work on and parts are easily available along with being cheap. The 3.8 was used in lots of minivans and Chargers. Same with the 2012 to present 3.6 V6. Parts are available anywhere. Unlike many other vehicles today.

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Anonymous wrote:Wranglers are coffins on wheels. Good luck with that!

Cool, so when I’m dead they can bury me in mine?

Yeah assuming they can find all your body pieces